Get beaten by nazis, lose your kids

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Bacchus

Refuge wrote:

Cueball wrote:

Parenthood is activism. Ridiculous that anyone should assert that parents should not espouse the values of the world they want their children to live in. What kind of line of reasoning is this?

Wish they had a thumbs up smiley.

I totally agree with that. And took my stepdaughter to the G20 arrest protest.

 

The devines are part of the ARA which espouse violent confrontation and have been involved in physically attacking neo-nazis at amy rallies. I cannot support becoming what you oppose.

 

Ghandi didnt attack the racists, or colonial masters, he merely resisted them, even by getting in their face. Just not getting in their face and hitting them with a brick

Bacchus

VanGoghs Ear wrote:

I support your stand Bacchus but I also understand Refuge's point about kids in the neighbourhood being recruited into the movement by nazis blending in with everyone.

Which is totally offensive and should be reported to the police. And countered with classes, recruiting etc for the anti-racists

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Bacchus wrote:

Refuge wrote:

Cueball wrote:

Parenthood is activism. Ridiculous that anyone should assert that parents should not espouse the values of the world they want their children to live in. What kind of line of reasoning is this?

Wish they had a thumbs up smiley.

I totally agree with that. And took my stepdaughter to the G20 arrest protest.

 

The devines are part of the ARA which espouse violent confrontation and have been involved in physically attacking neo-nazis at amy rallies. I cannot support becoming what you oppose.

 

Ghandi didnt attack the racists, or colonial masters, he merely resisted them, even by getting in their face. Just not getting in their face and hitting them with a brick

Where did you get the info about the violent confrontations.  Everything I saw on their website talked about non violent confrontation and espousing non violent rallies.

edited to add - they only reports of violent were from the neo nazi websites.

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Unionist wrote:

Thanks Unionist!

Cueball Cueball's picture

Bacchus wrote:

Refuge wrote:

Cueball wrote:

Parenthood is activism. Ridiculous that anyone should assert that parents should not espouse the values of the world they want their children to live in. What kind of line of reasoning is this?

Wish they had a thumbs up smiley.

I totally agree with that. And took my stepdaughter to the G20 arrest protest.

 

The devines are part of the ARA which espouse violent confrontation and have been involved in physically attacking neo-nazis at amy rallies. I cannot support becoming what you oppose.

 

Ghandi didnt attack the racists, or colonial masters, he merely resisted them, even by getting in their face. Just not getting in their face and hitting them with a brick

What's this? More liberal facist enabling, or what? Where is the brick part of this story? Wherein do you see the Devines accuseed of any violent activity of any kind? No where!.

They put up some posters and got the snot beaten out of them, and all you can do make shit up.

Bacchus

Im going by the news reports that I used to read about them frequently when they were at their height in the 90s. They were especially active in the UK and US and in Toronto for awhile. They may have scaled down on the pro-violence since then but they were founded on violent confrontation.

 

I havent heard about them in years but then again I havent seen the neo-nazis as active here as they used.

See what happens when they get rid if Zundel? All the fun stops

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Bacchus wrote:

VanGoghs Ear wrote:

I support your stand Bacchus but I also understand Refuge's point about kids in the neighbourhood being recruited into the movement by nazis blending in with everyone.

Which is totally offensive and should be reported to the police. And countered with classes, recruiting etc for the anti-racists

Unfortunately classes and recruiting for "the other side" don't usually work.  When the residents of Caledonia found out that some of the leaders were or were associating with neo nazis they reflected and cut off their ties.  But telling them about a class that was happening on anti racism (which I am sure the racist leaders could spin) or trying to tell them they should side with the FN, even with a convincing argument, would not have worked.  Telling them who they were associating worth did for a lot of residents.

Bacchus

If they were telling people about neo-nazis actively recruiting in their community, thats fine. I have seen no evidence that this was the case in devines neighbourhood

6079_Smith_W

Regarding absentia's question, the fact is the state does have the power to remove a child from a situation where a child may be in danger.

Again, I think it is important to remember that they prevented the children from going home from their grandparents for two days while they completed their investigation. The investigation is closed and the children are now home.

Although I share the concern about this action I think some of the speculation about things that the government did not do in this case, and tying this to the parents' actions is not helpful, and frankly, blowing this out of proportion.

 

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Bacchus wrote:

Im going by the news reports that I used to read about them frequently when they were at their height in the 90s. They were especially active in the UK and US and in Toronto for awhile. They may have scaled down on the pro-violence since then but they were founded on violent confrontation.

 

I havent heard about them in years but then again I havent seen the neo-nazis as active here as they used.

See what happens when they get rid if Zundel? All the fun stops

Well either they have changed their views on violent versus non violent confrontation or their website lies and the newspaper articles leave out the violent confrontations they start.  So unless there is proof that they were trying to provoke a violent confrontation all reports indicate they were just trying to inform people that their neighbourhood had the seeds of racism. There is a reason it is called innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent.

edited to add: neo nazis don't always actively recruit as a form of racism.  Sometimes they just spread propaganda and misinformation so that the environment they exist in will be better / more accepting if actions take place.

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Bacchus wrote:

Im going by the news reports that I used to read about them frequently when they were at their height in the 90s. They were especially active in the UK and US and in Toronto for awhile. They may have scaled down on the pro-violence since then but they were founded on violent confrontation.

I read lots of stuff about Nazi's and WWII, and so what?

All of your conjecture about the "violent" activities of the Devines are completely conjectural and guilt by association, and some news reports you read once. Not even personal experience. Not even any charges laid against any ARA people for alleged violent activities you have dreamed up. Even if true, by your logic all of the Nazi guys pictured above should be put up on war crimes charges for Auschwitz. Please hang on to your imagination when you are defaming people, just a little once and a while, k?

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From the website here is the violence and the threat to the children.  These neo-nazis are the violent people in this story and they should be arrested and charged.  I can't believe all the people on this board who believe citizens should cower in their homes while neo-nazis recruit adolescents into their racism and all to protect children from the violence perpetrated by the racists.

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"Willis" (William Mettingen)
If you're 13 and hang out at the skate park you may recognize "Willis" as that creepy older guy who likes to buy cigarettes for underagers and "teach" them how to bare knuckle box. If you were at M21, you'll recognize him as the shirtless wonder who tried to assault a photographer with his skateboard...while 60 cops looked on. Needless to say, Willis got his point across on M21 -- and that point was that he's both violent and dumb. He's been charged with assault with a weapon and released on a $500 no-cash bail. At his hearing on Monday morning, Willis pitched a sob story about how he's not really a Nazi or racist and it's all just been one big mistake. Someone should tell Willis that if you cover yourself with racist tattoos, throw around the "seig heil" salute and assault people at an anti-racist demo while yelling white power slogans, no one is going to believe you when you say you're not a Nazi.

Bacchus

Cueball wrote:

Bacchus wrote:

Im going by the news reports that I used to read about them frequently when they were at their height in the 90s. They were especially active in the UK and US and in Toronto for awhile. They may have scaled down on the pro-violence since then but they were founded on violent confrontation.

I read lots of stuff about Nazi's and WWII, and so what?

All of your conjecture about the "violent" activities of the Devines are completely conjectural and guilt by association, and some news reports you read once. Not even personal experience. Not even any charges laid against any ARA people for alleged violent activities you have dreamed up. Even if true, by your logic all of the Nazi guys pictured above should be put up on war crimes charges for Auschwitz. Please hang on to your imagination when you are defaming people, just a little once and a while, k?

 

Well you do a good job defaming people all by yourself. Or are you going to call me a gollum too?

And Ive had personal experience with them in Toronto as well so I know what they WERE like and have admitted they could have changed by now as could of the neo nazis too of course

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Bacchus wrote:

And Ive had personal experience with them in Toronto as well so I know what they WERE like and have admitted they could have changed by now as could of the neo nazis too of course

 

Are you talking about the Devines themselves? Did you know them personally? If not you are an asshole.

Cueball Cueball's picture

It's not about "them". It is about a family called the Devines. Please substantiate your brick throwing anarchist allegation, or withdraw it. As far as I can tell know one has ever laid a charge against these people for anything of the kind you are talking about. Or is enabling the Fascist apologia your only real purpose here?

If I want the "they are violent commies" line, all I have to do is read the comments section of the Calgary Sun.

Bacchus

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bacchus wrote:

And Ive had personal experience with them in Toronto as well so I know what they WERE like and have admitted they could have changed by now as could of the neo nazis too of course

 

Are you talking about the Devines themselves? Did you know them personally? If not you are an asshole.

Them as in the ARA, not the devines personally. But if you didnt know that, then you are an asshole.

 

But Im sure you did

Bacchus

Cueball wrote:

It's not about "them". It is about a family called the Devines. Please substantiate your brick throwing anarchist allegation, or withdraw it. As far as I can tell know one has ever laid a charge against these people for anything of the kind you are talking about. Or is enabling the Fascist apologia your only real purpose here?

If I want the "they are violent commies" line, all I have to do is read the comments section of the Calgary Sun.

Im a fascist apologist now? Hmm thats rich. And Im sure the comments on the calgary sun are similar to those on the cbc, ignorant pap from either side of the spectrum

Bacchus

Hmm well delving into what I can find.

Hmm the wife is delusional in her mayoral bid only because of the promises she makes which the mayor cannot do but otherwise all I find is FD crap about Jason Devine admitting to stalking women on campus at his work

 

And a bit about the ARA (with Jason Devione) throwing rocks and stuff at neo nazis trying to march.

Sorry I think they both extremist groups with the ARA being a bit more palatable due to their aims. And any of their non-violent actions that are not vigilatism meet with my approval, not that they need it, or me need yours

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Sure dude. The whole the ARA are violent like the Nazi's line is total Ernst Zundelismo. Check your head. That is precisely the line the Skinheads use to attack anti-racism activists of any kind. Confronting racists, putting up posters and going to counter-demonstrations to oppose them is not breaking into their homes in the middle of the night and beating them up.

You do see a difference don't you?

Find me one case where any ARA person has been charged and convicted of a violent felony?

So. Yeah. You are spouting the Heritage Front line on the ARA, and anti-racism activists.

Post here for more info: Why hasn't ARA leader Jason Devine been arrested?

Bacchus

And why do you have to descend to insults? While only makes it seem like you cannot defend your arguments but wait until your opponent is banned from the thread like Snert? Cant we simply agree to disagree?

Bacchus

And the ARA site for Calgary has been hacked which is sad since I would have liked to read more about where they are now

Bacchus
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So you got nothing other than an ad hominem slag about his wife being "dellusional".

You "think" the ARA is extremist? What? Ok. You said violent? Where? Anything? Other than random accussations from Paul Fromm and co.? I seem to remember some people throwing eggs at Zundel's house... that equates with home invasion and a savage beating?

Don't be sorry, and don't be calling other people dellusional, when you can't summon a single piece of evidence to support your case, other than to assert that you "think" something is true.

Here is the ARC web site warning about even POSTING any threats against persons:

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A group of diverse but like-minded individuals, the members of ARC have come together in their common desire to fight hatred, bigotry, intolerance and violence because of the harm these antisocial behaviors cause to our society. In that effort, we will not use or sanction the use of illegal actions (such as violence or intimidation) in pursuit of our desired aims and if we learn of anyone who does use these unethical methods we will report those individuals to the authorities. Instead, we will use the guarantees found in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that ensure freedom of legal speech and expression.

Mission Statement

 

Bacchus

As is frequently said here, I dont have to do your research, look it up.

 

As for brenda being delusional, I found that here  When you promise things beyond the scope of the mayor you are trying to be, you are either delusional or just a liar using any means to get elected.  Which means she should have been a Tory instead of a communist

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Quote:
From Calgary Sun

Anti-Racist Action Calgary is condemning the violent actions of protesters demonstrating on their side of the line who clashed with the Aryan Guard at a weekend rally.

Three protesters were arrested Saturday when the anti-racist group confronted members of the Aryan Guard who were marching to celebrate White Pride Day.

The rally of several hundred people became violent when demonstrators began tossing water bottles, cans of food and signs at each other.
[We prefer our protest with a side of hugs]

The chaotic clash injured two people, including Sun columnist Rick Bell.

But Jason Devine, spokesman for ARA, said the group does not condone violent protesting.

"We have said from the beginning it was supposed to be confrontational but not violent," he said.

"We have never called on people to physically assault the Aryan Guard -- our job was to ostracize them, getting the message out there are Nazis in our community.

"The signs are there to get the message out not there to bust people's heads open."

Copy of original Here

 

Bacchus

Cueball wrote:

So you got nothing other than an ad hominem slag about his wife being "dellusional".

You "think" the ARA is extremist? What? Ok. You said violent? Where? Anything? Other than random accussations from Paul Fromm and co.? I seem to remember some people throwing eggs at Zundel's house... that equates with home invasion and a savage beating?

Don't be sorry, and don't be calling other people dellusional, when you can't summon a single piece of evidence to support your case, other than to assert that you "think" something is true.

Here is the ARC web site warning about even POSTING any threats against persons:

Quote:
A group of diverse but like-minded individuals, the members of ARC have come together in their common desire to fight hatred, bigotry, intolerance and violence because of the harm these antisocial behaviors cause to our society. In that effort, we will not use or sanction the use of illegal actions (such as violence or intimidation) in pursuit of our desired aims and if we learn of anyone who does use these unethical methods we will report those individuals to the authorities. Instead, we will use the guarantees found in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that ensure freedom of legal speech and expression.

Mission Statement

 

Um thats a different organization you want the http://aracalgary.com/ which of course has been hacked.

 

But seeing they have changed thats all to the good and I support that. Did you wish different?

 

Cueball Cueball's picture

Bacchus wrote:

As is frequently said here, I dont have to do your research, look it up.

 

As for brenda being delusional, I found that here  When you promise things beyond the scope of the mayor you are trying to be, you are either delusional or just a liar using any means to get elected.  Which means she should have been a Tory instead of a communist

Dude. Mayor's are always making promises about things they can not provide. For example. Mayor Miller in Toronto promised all kinds of things that were explicitly not in the domain of what the mayor had control over. It's a promise to negotiate or lobby for things that the city need from higher authorities. Your just being a smarmy self-satisfied elitest prick, whose coming up with any kind of bullshit you can to ridicule people who you dont like.

Bacchus

More insults? Do you feel that you can never be banned dude?

 

And I noticed the OPP on your links who say "those who wont play nice with racists"  So no violence huh? And you dont come up with bullshit, just insults for those you do not like?

Bacchus

Thats good though I was talking about the ARA and not the devines. If they denounce violence then thats great.  And please no links to stormfront, we need that like we need FD links here

Cueball Cueball's picture

Bacchus wrote:

Cueball wrote:

So you got nothing other than an ad hominem slag about his wife being "dellusional".

You "think" the ARA is extremist? What? Ok. You said violent? Where? Anything? Other than random accussations from Paul Fromm and co.? I seem to remember some people throwing eggs at Zundel's house... that equates with home invasion and a savage beating?

Don't be sorry, and don't be calling other people dellusional, when you can't summon a single piece of evidence to support your case, other than to assert that you "think" something is true.

Here is the ARC web site warning about even POSTING any threats against persons:

Quote:
A group of diverse but like-minded individuals, the members of ARC have come together in their common desire to fight hatred, bigotry, intolerance and violence because of the harm these antisocial behaviors cause to our society. In that effort, we will not use or sanction the use of illegal actions (such as violence or intimidation) in pursuit of our desired aims and if we learn of anyone who does use these unethical methods we will report those individuals to the authorities. Instead, we will use the guarantees found in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that ensure freedom of legal speech and expression.

Mission Statement

 

Um thats a different organization you want the http://aracalgary.com/ which of course has been hacked.

 

But seeing they have changed thats all to the good and I support that. Did you wish different?

 

What change? Above is Devine himself condeming violence on behalf of the ARA. Your just spouting a bunch of right wing talking points and slander. If I want to see someone defending the Aryan Guard by saying the Devine advocates violence I can just link over to Stormfront.

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You've implied Devine is involved with the violence Bacchus.  Second of all, to even equate the Neo-Nazi's with the ARA as being a bit more palitable on a progressive board is disgusting.  There was a wee bit of throwing projectiles at a public event and people were arrested.  Not a home invasion with beatings.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Devine is ARA Calgary and that is his statement condeming violence on behalf of ARA -- Calgary, which he runs.

Again:

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From Calgary Sun

Anti-Racist Action Calgary is condemning the violent actions of protesters demonstrating on their side of the line who clashed with the Aryan Guard at a weekend rally.

Three protesters were arrested Saturday when the anti-racist group confronted members of the Aryan Guard who were marching to celebrate White Pride Day.

The rally of several hundred people became violent when demonstrators began tossing water bottles, cans of food and signs at each other.

The chaotic clash injured two people, including Sun columnist Rick Bell.

But Jason Devine, spokesman for ARA, said the group does not condone violent protesting.

"We have said from the beginning it was supposed to be confrontational but not violent," he said.

"We have never called on people to physically assault the Aryan Guard -- our job was to ostracize them, getting the message out there are Nazis in our community.

"The signs are there to get the message out not there to bust people's heads open."

Copy of original Here

Everything you have said is total misinformation and Stormfront crap used to justify and enable Nazi violence in the mainstream.

Bacchus

Hmm no Ive said the ARA has in the past and have never said it about the devines and in fact of late my posts have specifically been saying that. And if the group as a whole has turned away from it (opposed from the EU groups who apparently still do it, using cue's links)  then thats all to the better.

And to be clear, any violence like the home invasion is horrible and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, adding hate crime extras if possible.  But throwing projectiles is violent and can/does hurtkill/cripple people which does NOT get you fans but gets you dismissed as a crank.

 

Plus the Sun article I read online said they were throwing rocks as well

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And how that equates to neo-nazi's is somehow applicable?  Power structures my friend, there's a HUGE difference, even if you can't see it right now.  Really, you sound like an apologist for these fuckheads.  And yeah, I think there's a huge difference in the ARA standing up to these fuckheads and neo-nazi's use of violence.  C'mon dude, think about it.  Oppressed people need to exercise their rights somehow in the face of bigots.  The abolition of slavery didn't come peacefully. 

Cueball Cueball's picture

Funny that little tid-bit didn't make it into the SUN article about Devine condemning the throwing of a few projectiles. Care to locate your source? What kind of punishment should be handed out to the next guy who pies a Canadian Prime Minister in the face? 10 years for grevious assault, of this kind:

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The armed assailants overwhelmed Jason and a friend who was visiting. They repeatedly beat Jason and his friend with blunt objects. His friend was bludgeoned throughout the head area and sustained a broken arm. Jason was surrounded as each assailant took turns beating his head, back, body, arms and legs, sustaining stitches and a concussion. Both were rushed to the hospital to receive treatment.

Beaten with hammers.

Bacchus

RevolutionPlease wrote:

And how that equates to neo-nazi's is somehow applicable?  Power structures my friend, there's a HUGE difference, even if you can't see it right now.  Really, you sound like an apologist for these fuckheads.  And yeah, I think there's a huge difference in the ARA standing up to these fuckheads and neo-nazi's use of violence.  C'mon dude, think about it.  Oppressed people need to exercise their rights somehow in the face of bigots.  The abolition of slavery didn't come peacefully. 

 

Here it did. And in Europe. Its just in the US of A that they had to violently change the minds of slaveholders. But thank you for sounding nice about it RP. And I dont want to sound like an apologist for those scum. I want their philosophy to die a death and seem like as real a notion as the idea that noxious vapours caused illness.

I jusy dont think a violent reaction helps tho I again state that the devines had not been violent and indeed as cue's links point out, they rule out a violent reaction.

Bacchus
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So, both sides engaged in violence there.  We don't know how it started.  Have the ARA been accused of other violence?  Home invasions?

 

Are you going to retract your statement that you abhor both for their use of violence as equally culpable?

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

I haven't seen anything yet that the Devine's did anything wrong.  In fact,  I'm really impressed by them.  I need to raise my game.  Lest we forget.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Uhhh... yeah. And Devine from the ARA quite clearly condemned that. So what is your point? In the mean time you have attacked Devine for being part of an extremist organization. A perpetrator and an organizer of violence, with a dellusional wife. Clearly stating that the violence perpetrated upon Devine and his family are the result of his own advocacy of violence?

What was the point of disseminating a bunch of half-truths, rumours, and slander against these people?

Bacchus

For the Devines RP I will happily retract.

Cueball Cueball's picture

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Fair enough.  I'm not a fan of violence either.  But in the face of enemies like these and their power structure and dynamic with the judicial and political system, sitting on our ass and playing armchair QB is not the way to go.  We must be and stay active.  We should not rest while these maroons populate the conversation.  If they're going to hide behind their privilege and perpetrate violence upon others, it doesn't do any good to stand by and play punching bag.  I appreciate the good faith Bacchus.  I see your point, begrudgingly.

sand_man

Bacchus: Can we then assume that if some Zionist yob took offence to your "Israel delenda est", broke into your house, and beat you - you would be somehow culpable?  Are you not advocating violence  - "Israel shall be destroyed"  - just as the IDF and Zionist state are doing? 

You seem to have lost your way.  I'm not sure how much you see of neo-nazis, but I get to see them all the time in my line of work, and the only way to deal with them is to get right in their faces.  Playing nice and polite doesn't work.  They are constantly propagandizing; they are totally committed; and they are taking the long-term view.  If you treat their activities as a "matter of conscience", then what  will you then have to say when they and the people they've recruited then put the boots to someone?  Because by not confronting them, you will be culpable for allowing them to further their program of violent racism. Your previous comments about people not belonging in a progressive thread are mind-blowing in this context: I can accept ameliorism: I can accept do-goodism; but it's hard to understand how "hide-under-the-bedism" can be considered  a progressive position.  If you don't have a taste for confronting the very real evil of neo nazism, then please explain what the Devines should have done as people of good conscience should have done - contact the famously racist Calgary police?

You have put a lot of energy into upbraiding the Devines and maybe you should think about the reasons you've taken such a hard position against people who have clearly been victimized by not only the neo-nazis - but the Calgary Police and Children's Services as well.  And please be aware that "out here" there's a hoary old joke that talks about having the Calgary police put the boots to you as a FN rite of passage. Your statement about the moral equivalency of the Devines and the neo-nazis was absolutely breath-taking; it's time to reconsider your position from the ground up.

 

6079_Smith_W

@ sand_man

Thank you for bringing this back to the actual topic, but it is not clear at all that they were victimized by Child Services. That is an open question, and the fact is the children are back with them now.

Nobody had to threaten CS with a lawsuit to get them to allow the children back home from their grand parents. THey finished their investigation and closed the file.

But I am starting to wonder if this is the thread that never ends.

 

Bacchus

sand_man wrote:

Bacchus: Can we then assume that if some Zionist yob took offence to your "Israel delenda est", broke into your house, and beat you - you would be somehow culpable?  Are you not advocating violence  - "Israel shall be destroyed"  - just as the IDF and Zionist state are doing? 

You seem to have lost your way.  I'm not sure how much you see of neo-nazis, but I get to see them all the time in my line of work, and the only way to deal with them is to get right in their faces.  Playing nice and polite doesn't work.  They are constantly propagandizing; they are totally committed; and they are taking the long-term view.  If you treat their activities as a "matter of conscience", then what  will you then have to say when they and the people they've recruited then put the boots to someone?  Because by not confronting them, you will be culpable for allowing them to further their program of violent racism. Your previous comments about people not belonging in a progressive thread are mind-blowing in this context: I can accept ameliorism: I can accept do-goodism; but it's hard to understand how "hide-under-the-bedism" can be considered  a progressive position.  If you don't have a taste for confronting the very real evil of neo nazism, then please explain what the Devines should have done as people of good conscience should have done - contact the famously racist Calgary police?

You have put a lot of energy into upbraiding the Devines and maybe you should think about the reasons you've taken such a hard position against people who have clearly been victimized by not only the neo-nazis - but the Calgary Police and Children's Services as well.  And please be aware that "out here" there's a hoary old joke that talks about having the Calgary police put the boots to you as a FN rite of passage. Your statement about the moral equivalency of the Devines and the neo-nazis was absolutely breath-taking; it's time to reconsider your position from the ground up.

 

Its actually should be destroyed not shall be destroyed. And right in their faces to me means demonstrating, counter marching etc, NOT rocks and bricks to the head or emulating them in any degree. The racist calgary police should be the main enemy to educate and fix, then the other would be solved the way it should be.

Bacchus

And havent I repeatedly said that now about the Devines? Im not addressing the devines but anti racist actions in general that people are commenting on. You might want to read a few comments up about that

Cueball Cueball's picture

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And that is precisely what Devine was doing, said he was going to do, and asserted should be done when others took matters into their own hands. Now, for some reason you keep adding grist to this mill, even though it is completely clear and evident that the spokesperson ARA Calgary (Jason Devine) supports exactly what you are talking about and IS THE VICTIM here, although reading your constant dissertations and criticism of things that Devine has not supported, never said he supported, and condemned when it was appropriate to do so, one would never know it.


Cueball Cueball's picture

Yes you did. Since then you have retracted it.

Devine is the spokesperson for ARA -- Calgary, and obviously his statements are completely at odds with what you are saying about the ARA "in general".

Your insistance on sermonizing in on this off-topic distraction is completely bizarre in the context of the purposeful, brutal and possibly lethal attack on perfectly peaceful anti-racism activists who are actively confronting these vicious gangs because they do things like invade peoples homes and beat people as a matter of policy.

Bacchus

And apparently you feel you must persist in posting and insulting me in this thread? Do you feel its the only unmoderated thread so personal insults are ok?

And I still say, violently confronting racists, as the ARA DID do in a demo in 2009 is wrong and lowers them to the level of their foes.

 

Defending yourself when attacked or seeking to have such attacks prosecuted by the law (such as you are able to in Calgary apparently) is perfectly fine. eing them renounce violence as a aim and theme is great! Again nice to see they changed.

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