UNITE HERE dissidents to join SEIU By: robbie_dee (106 replies) March 23, 2009 - 2:02pmrobbie_dee wrote: I thought By: stop raiding (Mar 27 2009 - 8:01pm) Vivienne don"t you think By: stop raiding (Mar 27 2009 - 7:32pm) Re: UNITE HERE dissidents to join SEIU By: Vivienne (Mar 27 2009 - 7:02pm) @ Jumping JaniceNice attempt By: TW (Mar 27 2009 - 4:47pm) there is a grievance being By: Jumping Janice (Mar 27 2009 - 1:17pm) Jumping Janice wrote: the By: robbie_dee (Mar 27 2009 - 12:53pm) the question of CULT has By: Jumping Janice (Mar 27 2009 - 12:17pm) I thought the original By: robbie_dee (Mar 27 2009 - 11:46am) willow, this is an By: stop raiding (Mar 27 2009 - 10:01am) Willow wrote: stop raiding By: stop raiding (Mar 27 2009 - 9:24am) Vivienne:Did the workers in By: 3to1majority (Mar 27 2009 - 7:58am) stop raiding you really seem By: Willow (Mar 26 2009 - 5:37pm) Seeing as how Unite owned By: Vivienne (Mar 26 2009 - 5:11pm) A copy of the 'Affiliation' By: stop raiding (Mar 26 2009 - 3:40pm) It would appear that this By: stop raiding (Mar 26 2009 - 3:08pm) Re: UNITE HERE dissidents to join SEIU By: triciamarie (Mar 25 2009 - 4:24pm) robbie dee,I'm not sure how By: stop raiding (Mar 25 2009 - 4:11pm) How do the remaining textile By: robbie_dee (Mar 25 2009 - 3:46pm) so if the merger is not By: Jumping Janice (Mar 25 2009 - 2:20pm) United Food and Commercial By: Jumping Janice (Mar 25 2009 - 2:17pm) "In speaking with colleagues By: Jumping Janice (Mar 25 2009 - 2:09pm) I would love to see a copy By: stop raiding (Mar 25 2009 - 11:52am) Interesting article from the By: stop raiding (Mar 25 2009 - 11:36am) Interesting By: triciamarie (Mar 25 2009 - 9:45am) Never heard of this. Got a By: Eric Orwell (Mar 24 2009 - 11:51pm) Eric Orwell wrote: What By: aka Mycroft (Mar 24 2009 - 9:05pm) I'm not sure this is proof By: Eric Orwell (Mar 24 2009 - 8:50pm) Labour matters in the USA. By: Joe Strummer (Mar 24 2009 - 5:50pm) Couldn't help but get By: antsunited (Mar 24 2009 - 11:17am) What makes SEIU "one of the By: Eric Orwell (Mar 24 2009 - 9:57am) Re: UNITE HERE dissidents to join SEIU By: Vivienne (Mar 23 2009 - 7:15pm) I don't know what things are By: aka Mycroft (Mar 23 2009 - 6:01pm) Unfortunately I think a lot By: robbie_dee (Mar 23 2009 - 7:51pm) I see this only as a good By: southernworker (Mar 23 2009 - 2:22pm) Sorry, here's the source:Ben By: robbie_dee (Mar 23 2009 - 2:05pm)
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- In a letter sent to John By: stop raiding (Apr 30 2009 - 11:06pm)
- Hey Vivienne, Willow, By: TW (Apr 30 2009 - 8:32am)
- Vivienne: Although you never By: 3to1majority (Apr 28 2009 - 3:28pm)
- Example of internal dissent By: stop raiding (Apr 26 2009 - 2:12am)
- Who's next on the Stern By: stop raiding (Apr 26 2009 - 2:06am)
- SEIU's interference By: stop raiding (Apr 26 2009 - 1:59am)
- Vivienne: So my mistake was By: 3to1majority (Apr 23 2009 - 11:04pm)
- Then answer this By: reardon niagara (Apr 22 2009 - 6:41am)
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Interesting article.
Cornell University's Kate Bronfenbrenner, who has done extensive research into these kinds of agreements, says, "Neutrality agreements are necessary in a climate where employers wage war when workers try to organize. But on the other hand, unions that do top-down organizing, who don't involve the members, are not going to build lasting unions. Research shows it again and again. They won't be able to survive; they're not going to be able to withstand employer attacks. These are big questions many unions need to wrestle with."
SEIU leaders may debate the merits of their opposition, but the sheer explosion of dissent--from one of the country's most progressive unions, CNA; from the leadership of one of its largest, and most rapidly growing, Locals, UHW; from its own staff; from the students and community allies SEIU depends on to run its successful corporate campaigns--indicates, at least, a crisis of confidence in the union's leadership. Stern has been astonishingly successful at communicating his vision to the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and winning the trust of hostile corporate leaders. But the evidence is accumulating that he's not been nearly as adept at bringing along his own labor movement--and his own membership.
If he places UHW in trusteeship and removes Sal Rosselli and his executive board, he'll confirm the worst images of SEIU painted by Rose Ann DeMoro, of a gang of purple-clad street thugs, whose first principle is omertà. But if he can guide delegates through a process of meaningful compromise at the convention, with a friendly eye toward some of the dissident proposals on local autonomy; if he can sit down and negotiate a truce with CNA (and indeed, in late May, Stern told The Nation that the two parties had just agreed to hire a mediator and try to come to terms), then his claim to be reinvigorating the labor movement as a whole will gain new credibility.
The truth is that the pressure on SEIU is coming from labor progressives--not complacent labor chiefs signing off on givebacks until they reach retirement. The voices raised against Stern are deeply invested in reversing labor's decline, in positioning unions to shape national policy, in building--as Stern puts it in his most recent white paper--"a more just and humane society for all working people."
This is a US article. We don't have the same labour framework in Canada, and neutrality agreements aren't nearly as necessary here -- a distinction that Stern and his employees and acolytes have brushed aside. So we end up with the same US-based, cynical, wheeling-dealing, behind-closed-doors unionism, unnecessarily, even knowing ahead of time all the legitimacy and sustainability problems that are going to defeat those unions and drag the rest of us down with them.