Ghislaine
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Maysie wrote:

My argument in support of applied or tactical or strategic violence is to compare the "cost" of a broken window at a fast food chain or a bank (I don't support throwing rocks into the windows or otherwise damaging the property of small single-owner businesses or residential homes) to the cost of anti-human violence conducted by the police and other state agents against entire populations in Canada.

"Violence" is defined in very particular ways. My question is why are certain individual acts of violence decried and criminalized, and other ongoing day-to-day acts of violence perpetuated by the Canadian state, both in Canada and across the globe (Afghanistan) are deemed okay?

Sadly, that's a rhetorical question.

I respect Judy's voice and her position in the left, but I one point I do strongly object to is her characterizing the black bloc as being typically violent. This is how they are characterized in the MSM and I'm sad to see Judy buy into the rhetoric.  

I was at the 2001 anti-FTAA protests in Québec city as a peaceful protester. The large majority were peaceful, however the Black Bloc were definitely not. I was very close to them and witnessed their tactics -which quite frankly made me very angry. I though it was profoundly unfair that their actions were what was going to make the news (this is the media's fault as well obviously). It is quite possible to decry police brutality (of which there was much in Québec; I had a friend who was an exch. student from Columbia who was nearly deported) and decry protester violence.

 Distinguising between breaking windows of one business versus another one is also irrelevant. Often franchise chains are owned locally. Breaking windows and destroying property is not the way to fight these chains/banks/businesses whose practices we disagree with. It is just pointless wanton destruction - especially at a time when the taxpayer is providing a lot of corporate welfare for these companies.

 Great piece by Rebick. It is very frustrating when a peaceful protest is derailed by yahoos after organizers have worked hard at bringing many groups together.


Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (103 replies) April 2, 2009 - 11:27am
  • statica wrote:one thing, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:14pm)
  • Or do the "organizers" of By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm)
  • I agree with you about that, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm)
  • That Ghandi...he never By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm)
  • Caissa wrote: This thread is By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:08pm)
  • I have to agree with By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 3:05pm)
  • Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:02pm)
  • N.R.KISSED wrote:I also By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:00pm)
  • Michelle,I 'm sorry if my By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:04pm)
  • Michelle wrote: Isn't there By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:59pm)
  • I don't understand what By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:56pm)
  • Michelle wrote: Sure. The By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:54pm)
  • It's Me D wrote:Could you By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:47pm)
  • Those are good points, about By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:45pm)
  • I think Judy's comments are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 2:38pm)
  • Banjo wrote: The only By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:35pm)
  • Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:32pm)
  • In response to the thread By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:28pm)
  • Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:27pm)
  • I wonder what those who By: Banjo (Apr 2 2009 - 2:25pm)
  • Good question, Caissa, and By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 2:22pm)
  • Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:14pm)
  • Michelle wrote: That to me By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:12pm)
  • Ghislaine wrote: I was at By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:04pm)
  • Joey, I am referencing the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:59pm)
  • I have to say its obvious By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 1:55pm)
  • Hmm...If someone makes the By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 1:45pm)
  • Statica said:   "Joey's By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 1:53pm)
  • Maysie wrote: My argument in By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 1:39pm)
  • Joey's post highlights the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:28pm)
  • My argument in support of By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 12:43pm)
  • I completely agree with Judy By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am)
  • Quote:It's unlikely the By: Frustrated Mess (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am)
  • I went to a protest a few By: Refuge (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am)
  • Property damage was very By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am)