Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (103 replies) April 2, 2009 - 11:27amstatica wrote:one thing, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:14pm) Or do the "organizers" of By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) I agree with you about that, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) That Ghandi...he never By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm) Caissa wrote: This thread is By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:08pm) I have to agree with By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 3:05pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:02pm) N.R.KISSED wrote:I also By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:00pm) Michelle,I 'm sorry if my By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:04pm) Michelle wrote: Isn't there By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:59pm) I don't understand what By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:56pm) Michelle wrote: Sure. The By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:54pm) It's Me D wrote:Could you By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:47pm) Those are good points, about By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:45pm) I think Judy's comments are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 2:38pm) Banjo wrote: The only By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:35pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:32pm) In response to the thread By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:28pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:27pm) I wonder what those who By: Banjo (Apr 2 2009 - 2:25pm) Good question, Caissa, and By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 2:22pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:14pm) Michelle wrote: That to me By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:12pm) Ghislaine wrote: I was at By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:04pm) Joey, I am referencing the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:59pm) I have to say its obvious By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 1:55pm) Hmm...If someone makes the By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 1:45pm) Statica said: "Joey's By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 1:53pm) Maysie wrote: My argument in By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 1:39pm) Joey's post highlights the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:28pm) My argument in support of By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 12:43pm) I completely agree with Judy By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am) Quote:It's unlikely the By: Frustrated Mess (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) I went to a protest a few By: Refuge (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) Property damage was very By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 1:45pm)
- Snert wrote:Quote: Except By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 1:41pm)
- Quote: Except that there By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 1:09pm)
- M. Spector wrote: Except By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 1:01pm)
- Except that there comes a By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 12:34pm)
- I think that, short of civil By: The Bish (Apr 3 2009 - 12:23pm)
- I just think people need to By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 11:50am)
- Gandhi was a winner.He was By: George Victor (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Michelle says it got good By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 11:21am)
- Caissa wrote: So when By: Refuge (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Snert makes a good point By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 11:12am)
- Feel free to tell me how By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 11:11am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 11:04am)
- Quote:Attacking a private By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- To what extent do we care if By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- I agree it is ridiculous and By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:53am)
- Goodwin didn't give a fuck By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:48am)
- Ghislaine wrote: Sit-ins, By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:42am)
- Michelle wrote: I've drawn By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:32am)
- Michelle wrote:I don't think By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:20am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 10:17am)
- Michelle wrote: I agree with By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:18am)
- Caissa wrote:So when By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:03am)
- Banjo wrote: I wonder what By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 9:54am)
- So when violence is used at By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 8:16am)
- I've drawn her attention to By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 8:02am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 7:23am)
- Good post, Cueball. By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 6:45am)
- I see mythological Gandhi By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 7:44am)
- Fundamentally, I think the By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 2:33am)
- radiorahim wrote:Yes riot By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 3 2009 - 12:42am)
- Yes. I hardly think he will By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 12:22am)
- As for Slavoj Žižek, By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:30pm)
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- Yes riot cops are shithead By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 11:08pm)
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- Quote:The initially peaceful By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 9:42pm)
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- In the end, such issues are By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 9:56pm)
- I have a real problem with By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 9:05pm)
- Who was upset about By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 8:31pm)
- Well. I have enormous By: Ze (Apr 2 2009 - 8:11pm)
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- It's Me D wrote:saga wrote: By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 6:29pm)
- In his 2008 book Violence, By: Catchfire (Apr 2 2009 - 6:08pm)
- In the context of street By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 5:47pm)
- saga wrote: I've had the By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:33pm)
- Snert wrote:Missing entirely By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:31pm)
- It's Me D wrote:Great post By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:32pm)
- Michelle wrote: Those are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 5:18pm)
- "Communities which are By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:17pm)
- Snert,I'm not sure what to By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:10pm)
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- This could be a case of the By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 5:02pm)
- "Gandhi taught us not to use By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 4:58pm)
- Snert wrote: I'm sure this By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 4:29pm)
- M. Spector wrote:remind By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 3:42pm)
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- Quote:I was responding to a By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 3:31pm)
- remind wrote: Frankly, I do By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:29pm)
- "Violence" doesn't depend on By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:27pm)
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- Frankly, I do not believe By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:14pm)
- Could be, M. Spector. I can By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm)
- Violence at protests is By: Jingles (Apr 2 2009 - 3:20pm)
- Michelle wrote: I also agree By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:19pm)
Joey, I am referencing the G20 protests, and I am not sure what you are suggesting, other than putting up a poster for a large, public anti-glob demo and stating only certain groups are invited and excluding others?
What if members of the excluded group show up anyway, does someone from the original group then step up and act as a police or bouncer and turn them away? Ask them to leave? Forcable eject them? Hand them over the the police as a pre-emtive strike against any demonstrator who might look like "a troublemaker"?
No one should be allowed to crash someone else's party...that's why the concept of diversity of tactics is so important. No one says you can't have two simultaneous protests happening in two different parts of the same city on the same day, with diverse missions/statements. One is not bad and the other is good, simply because someone moans that one actions might "steal the thunder" from the other, or "steal" the media's focus.
I'm suggesting that constructive dialogue where both sides are allowed to present their opinions regarding tactics and where no side is belittled or dismissed would be better (belittled either by being called reformist or called violent yahoos).
Of course, the nature and flow and background to a protest should be respected, even more so in smaller, more "intimate" actions.
But if people want to make sweeping negative generalizations about "violent" uprisings because of their own morality, then they might as well re-write all of history while they are at it.