Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (103 replies) April 2, 2009 - 11:27amstatica wrote:one thing, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:14pm) Or do the "organizers" of By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) I agree with you about that, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) That Ghandi...he never By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm) Caissa wrote: This thread is By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:08pm) I have to agree with By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 3:05pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:02pm) N.R.KISSED wrote:I also By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:00pm) Michelle,I 'm sorry if my By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:04pm) Michelle wrote: Isn't there By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:59pm) I don't understand what By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:56pm) Michelle wrote: Sure. The By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:54pm) It's Me D wrote:Could you By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:47pm) Those are good points, about By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:45pm) I think Judy's comments are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 2:38pm) Banjo wrote: The only By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:35pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:32pm) In response to the thread By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:28pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:27pm) I wonder what those who By: Banjo (Apr 2 2009 - 2:25pm) Good question, Caissa, and By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 2:22pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:14pm) Michelle wrote: That to me By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:12pm) Ghislaine wrote: I was at By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:04pm) Joey, I am referencing the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:59pm) I have to say its obvious By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 1:55pm) Hmm...If someone makes the By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 1:45pm) Statica said: "Joey's By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 1:53pm) Maysie wrote: My argument in By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 1:39pm) Joey's post highlights the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:28pm) My argument in support of By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 12:43pm) I completely agree with Judy By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am) Quote:It's unlikely the By: Frustrated Mess (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) I went to a protest a few By: Refuge (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) Property damage was very By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 1:45pm)
- Snert wrote:Quote: Except By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 1:41pm)
- Quote: Except that there By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 1:09pm)
- M. Spector wrote: Except By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 1:01pm)
- Except that there comes a By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 12:34pm)
- I think that, short of civil By: The Bish (Apr 3 2009 - 12:23pm)
- I just think people need to By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 11:50am)
- Gandhi was a winner.He was By: George Victor (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Michelle says it got good By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 11:21am)
- Caissa wrote: So when By: Refuge (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Snert makes a good point By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 11:12am)
- Feel free to tell me how By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 11:11am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 11:04am)
- Quote:Attacking a private By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- To what extent do we care if By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- I agree it is ridiculous and By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:53am)
- Goodwin didn't give a fuck By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:48am)
- Ghislaine wrote: Sit-ins, By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:42am)
- Michelle wrote: I've drawn By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:32am)
- Michelle wrote:I don't think By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:20am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 10:17am)
- Michelle wrote: I agree with By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:18am)
- Caissa wrote:So when By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:03am)
- Banjo wrote: I wonder what By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 9:54am)
- So when violence is used at By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 8:16am)
- I've drawn her attention to By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 8:02am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 7:23am)
- Good post, Cueball. By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 6:45am)
- I see mythological Gandhi By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 7:44am)
- Fundamentally, I think the By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 2:33am)
- radiorahim wrote:Yes riot By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 3 2009 - 12:42am)
- Yes. I hardly think he will By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 12:22am)
- As for Slavoj Žižek, By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:30pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:19pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 11:10pm)
- Yes riot cops are shithead By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 11:08pm)
- I'm really enjoying this By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 11:05pm)
- Quote:The initially peaceful By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 9:42pm)
- (double post) By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 9:12pm)
- In the end, such issues are By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 9:56pm)
- I have a real problem with By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 9:05pm)
- Who was upset about By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 8:31pm)
- Well. I have enormous By: Ze (Apr 2 2009 - 8:11pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Cueball (Apr 2 2009 - 7:00pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 6:54pm)
- It's Me D wrote:saga wrote: By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 6:29pm)
- In his 2008 book Violence, By: Catchfire (Apr 2 2009 - 6:08pm)
- In the context of street By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 5:47pm)
- saga wrote: I've had the By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:33pm)
- Snert wrote:Missing entirely By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:31pm)
- It's Me D wrote:Great post By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:32pm)
- Michelle wrote: Those are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 5:18pm)
- "Communities which are By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:17pm)
- Snert,I'm not sure what to By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:10pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:03pm)
- This could be a case of the By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 5:02pm)
- "Gandhi taught us not to use By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 4:58pm)
- Snert wrote: I'm sure this By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 4:29pm)
- M. Spector wrote:remind By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 3:42pm)
- Michelle wrote:I agree with By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:34pm)
- Quote:I was responding to a By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 3:31pm)
- remind wrote: Frankly, I do By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:29pm)
- "Violence" doesn't depend on By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:27pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:27pm)
- Frankly, I do not believe By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:14pm)
- Could be, M. Spector. I can By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm)
- Violence at protests is By: Jingles (Apr 2 2009 - 3:20pm)
- Michelle wrote: I also agree By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:19pm)
I've drawn her attention to this thread, so she'll most likely read it at some point, but she's out of town at the moment (in Edmonton tonight for her book tour if anyone is interested!) so she probably hasn't had a chance to read yet. She has an account here but she hardly ever uses it. Probably because she has a calendar/schedule that would daunt 3 people. I don't know how she does it, frankly. :) I just posted it here because I wanted to see what babblers would have to say about it, and I knew I'd hear another perspective here - and I think that's really important and great. If you want to draw her attention to something and make sure she sees it, the best place to do that is a comment on her blog.
I'm not wedded to either position in the absolute, nor am I dogmatic about non-violence. I lean towards Judy's point of view on it, but I do see where "violent" protest is acceptable. For instance, that eviction of the Harris Tory politician's constituency office (forget his name) is an action I support, even though I realize it probably scared his office staff. Well, that's what an eviction is like. Scary. I totally support OCAP's action in that matter. Not sure whether Judy would agree with me or not on that one. I also think that the action in London, attacking that banker's house after he made off with all that money, is laudable. Violent? Yes, I suppose, but it was strategic and got the point across, and furthermore, it got good press, which is a bonus.
So I'm not a total pacifist. I think there's a time and a place.
laudable? What about children or other family in the house? What the hell does attacking his house accomplish? It is definitely violent and I don't think it results in good press. There are lots of rich people still making millions during this crisis, is attacking all of their homes laudable? I'm sorry, I don't support attacking someone's home or a place of business.
Sit-ins, demonstrations, etc. are all peaceful and a completely different situation. Lumping all of this together is playing right into the MSM's hands in terms of what is defined as violence. Attacking a private residence where children may be present is definitely a category that should be characterized as violence by both.
I hope Judy does come into this thread and make some much-needed comments.