Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (103 replies) April 2, 2009 - 11:27amstatica wrote:one thing, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:14pm) Or do the "organizers" of By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) I agree with you about that, By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:12pm) That Ghandi...he never By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm) Caissa wrote: This thread is By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:08pm) I have to agree with By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 3:05pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 3:02pm) N.R.KISSED wrote:I also By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:00pm) Michelle,I 'm sorry if my By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 3:04pm) Michelle wrote: Isn't there By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:59pm) I don't understand what By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:56pm) Michelle wrote: Sure. The By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:54pm) It's Me D wrote:Could you By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:47pm) Those are good points, about By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 2:45pm) I think Judy's comments are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 2:38pm) Banjo wrote: The only By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:35pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:32pm) In response to the thread By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 2:28pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:27pm) I wonder what those who By: Banjo (Apr 2 2009 - 2:25pm) Good question, Caissa, and By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 2:22pm) Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 2 2009 - 2:14pm) Michelle wrote: That to me By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:12pm) Ghislaine wrote: I was at By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 2:04pm) Joey, I am referencing the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:59pm) I have to say its obvious By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 1:55pm) Hmm...If someone makes the By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 1:45pm) Statica said: "Joey's By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 1:53pm) Maysie wrote: My argument in By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 1:39pm) Joey's post highlights the By: statica (Apr 2 2009 - 1:28pm) My argument in support of By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 12:43pm) I completely agree with Judy By: Joey Ramone (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am) Quote:It's unlikely the By: Frustrated Mess (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) I went to a protest a few By: Refuge (Apr 2 2009 - 11:54am) Property damage was very By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:59am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 1:45pm)
- Snert wrote:Quote: Except By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 1:41pm)
- Quote: Except that there By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 1:09pm)
- M. Spector wrote: Except By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 1:01pm)
- Except that there comes a By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 12:34pm)
- I think that, short of civil By: The Bish (Apr 3 2009 - 12:23pm)
- I just think people need to By: M. Spector (Apr 3 2009 - 11:50am)
- Gandhi was a winner.He was By: George Victor (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Michelle says it got good By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 11:21am)
- Caissa wrote: So when By: Refuge (Apr 3 2009 - 11:19am)
- Snert makes a good point By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 11:12am)
- Feel free to tell me how By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 11:11am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 11:04am)
- Quote:Attacking a private By: Snert (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- To what extent do we care if By: martin dufresne (Apr 3 2009 - 10:55am)
- I agree it is ridiculous and By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:53am)
- Goodwin didn't give a fuck By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:48am)
- Ghislaine wrote: Sit-ins, By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:42am)
- Michelle wrote: I've drawn By: Ghislaine (Apr 3 2009 - 10:32am)
- Michelle wrote:I don't think By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:20am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 10:17am)
- Michelle wrote: I agree with By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 10:18am)
- Caissa wrote:So when By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 10:03am)
- Banjo wrote: I wonder what By: statica (Apr 3 2009 - 9:54am)
- So when violence is used at By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 8:16am)
- I've drawn her attention to By: Michelle (Apr 3 2009 - 8:02am)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Caissa (Apr 3 2009 - 7:23am)
- Good post, Cueball. By: Catchfire (Apr 3 2009 - 6:45am)
- I see mythological Gandhi By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 7:44am)
- Fundamentally, I think the By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 2:33am)
- radiorahim wrote:Yes riot By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 3 2009 - 12:42am)
- Yes. I hardly think he will By: Cueball (Apr 3 2009 - 12:22am)
- As for Slavoj Žižek, By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:30pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 11:19pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 11:10pm)
- Yes riot cops are shithead By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 11:08pm)
- I'm really enjoying this By: Maysie (Apr 2 2009 - 11:05pm)
- Quote:The initially peaceful By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 9:42pm)
- (double post) By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 9:12pm)
- In the end, such issues are By: martin dufresne (Apr 2 2009 - 9:56pm)
- I have a real problem with By: radiorahim (Apr 2 2009 - 9:05pm)
- Who was upset about By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 8:31pm)
- Well. I have enormous By: Ze (Apr 2 2009 - 8:11pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Cueball (Apr 2 2009 - 7:00pm)
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- It's Me D wrote:saga wrote: By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 6:29pm)
- In his 2008 book Violence, By: Catchfire (Apr 2 2009 - 6:08pm)
- In the context of street By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 2 2009 - 5:47pm)
- saga wrote: I've had the By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:33pm)
- Snert wrote:Missing entirely By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:31pm)
- It's Me D wrote:Great post By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 5:32pm)
- Michelle wrote: Those are By: N.R.KISSED (Apr 2 2009 - 5:18pm)
- "Communities which are By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:17pm)
- Snert,I'm not sure what to By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:10pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 5:03pm)
- This could be a case of the By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 5:02pm)
- "Gandhi taught us not to use By: saga (Apr 2 2009 - 4:58pm)
- Snert wrote: I'm sure this By: It's Me D (Apr 2 2009 - 4:29pm)
- M. Spector wrote:remind By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 3:42pm)
- Michelle wrote:I agree with By: ElizaQ (Apr 2 2009 - 3:34pm)
- Quote:I was responding to a By: Snert (Apr 2 2009 - 3:31pm)
- remind wrote: Frankly, I do By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:29pm)
- "Violence" doesn't depend on By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:27pm)
- Re: Violence or property damage at protests By: Ghislaine (Apr 2 2009 - 3:27pm)
- Frankly, I do not believe By: remind (Apr 2 2009 - 5:14pm)
- Could be, M. Spector. I can By: Michelle (Apr 2 2009 - 3:23pm)
- Violence at protests is By: Jingles (Apr 2 2009 - 3:20pm)
- Michelle wrote: I also agree By: M. Spector (Apr 2 2009 - 3:19pm)
Sit-ins, demonstrations, etc. are all peaceful and a completely different situation.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear when making this point so I'll clarify. While progressives see sit-ins, demonstrations as peaceful, that is not/never how the state preceives them. This is why the police are called.
They are not peaceful to the state because the state considers it "disturbing the peace" because it disrupts capitalism's business-as-usual concept (how can their be peace without justice?)
And when the police are called, they bring the force of the state's capasity for violence with them -- not just guns, batons and tasers, but the ability to threaten, intimidate, beat and arrest. They (the police; the state) brings down the violence.
(how many times have i been to a peaceful demo where people are literally chanting "this is a peaceful protests" while the cops are rushing in and beating the shit out of the people at the same time)
Essentially, what we consider as peaceful is considered a threat to the state. Sad but very true. This is why police behaviour (the state's behaviour) needs to be challenged in this regard.