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eta: strikethough of "probably" didn't work, Yes, remind. I hope and think Rexdale_Punjabi will see the problem with his predilections with a little prodding not punking.
I do not think I am punking him, but I do see that as the persona he is using. :D
Really, do tell?
What persona have you imagined or dare I say assumed?
Jas...Making fun of peoples dialects and mimiking them is absolutely not going to happen around here. Please don't . If you have some problem with the content of someones post just say so.
Rexdale_Punjabi... Your post for the most part is a good point, but it has nothing to do with getting it on after school, let's stick to the point please.
Speaking of the point, IMHO the principal is a control freak. Actually, most school administrators are that up to a point, but this ones taking it a bit too far. Sounds a bit insecure. At my kids school they handle cell phones on an individual basis, If you're abusing them, they get confiscated 'til after school. Seems to work.
I was suprised to read in the original story that cell phones are banned outright in New York City schools. I would think that this saves the kids a major distraction. Plenty of time to text and phone each other outside. no?
Speaking of jamming, I once read that one powerful jamming device for RF waves was running a strong current through an old slinky spring spread wide. Just sayin'
Yeah, how did we ever survive in high school without cell phones? Clearly, we were deprived, and in grave danger in case of emergencies. So were our teachers since they didn't have them either.
On the other hand, they're going to have to find a way to deal with new technology in schools. Teachers are going to have to learn ways of teaching around the distractions, or using distractions to their advantage in class. University professors, who obviously can't stop adults from texting, Facebooking, twittering, and whatever else in class, are learning how to use new technology in the classrooms to enhance their lessons. High school teachers are going to have to get with the program in that way too, eventually. I don't blame them, of course, for wanting kids to get off the damn phone and pay attention in class. But they're going to have to change with the technology eventually.
Thanks OG!
You have to remember that cellphones are radios and so are cellphone jammers.
It is very illegal to deliberately interfere with a licensed radio service under the Radiocommunications Act. Cellphones are a licensed radiocomunications service. The cellphone jamming transmitter is not.
Radiocommunications devices have to be "type approved" by Industry Canada before they can be legally imported. The only folks who don't need to have their radio transmitting equipment "type approved" are licensed amateur (ham) radio operators...because they're allowed to build their own...and it's assumed they're technically qualified to do so.
The problem is, that a jamming transmitter would not just disrupt the signals within the school, but they could also disrupt cellphone signals out on the street or in homes or buildings in areas adjacent to the school.
One can imagine a scenario where there is a traffic accident and someone is seriously injured...or perhaps someone might have suffered a heart attack. So, you try to call 9-11 on your cellphone and unknown to you, your signal is being jammed from a nearby building. The other thing to keep in mind, is that since the advent of mobile phones, old-fashioned telephone booths have pretty much disappeared.
People assume that radio signals only travel very short distance distances. In reality, they can travel much greater distances than you'd think. So I'm glad that the students "busted" the principal.
Jas ur an asshole str8 up though I was giving an example of what a lot of ppl would rather do then sit in a boring ass class being indoctrinated. like the other RP said the fact that all I say takin through a white POV on a "anti-racist" forum distrubs me 1/2 the ppl making fun of what I said got exactly wtf I said and meant. TY OG for steppin in. And also when you in high school you will end up learning how to read and write the extra stuff for example civics, history (not just hist class but anything related to it), and many other things are just indoctrination. And a lot of teachers aint tryna do good many are but a lot know wussup and continue it for various reasons. Schooling is not education. Schooling is indoctrination by the state. Do you think a textbook will have a objective view on anything? And when you encouraged to not freely think but follow what do you get? Also yo props to the ones who actually said something to those who just tried to make my point sound stupid or something by linking it to pedophiles all you did was make urself look stupid as shit.
Don't assume that the system works for everyone (shit it aint made to work for any of the workin class) or that ur school in the suburbs was the same as the one in the hood. Ours more like a jail n a military complex. And ye it also illegal to modify radio signals n stuff like that it says that on the bacc of all this stuff I seen it still.
Rexdale_Punjabi, you were out of line too. I agree with oldgoat about people not making fun of other people's dialects and that jas was out of line, but you also have to show the same respect and learn to be more aware of not writing in a way that is sexist. When you do write sexist stuff here, people will call you out on it. That doesn't mean they should call you out by making fun of the way you speak, but it does mean that you will be called out when you write stuff that women here find degrading or sexist.
Also, having a moderator intervene on your behalf doesn't make it okay for you to follow up by attacking jas the way you just did. Calm down and cut it out.
Student cellphones should be banned from schools. period. full stop.
LOL. They can't even stop the kids from bringing knives and guns and dope to school, and you want to add one more headache to the list of impossible things for teachers to do.
We're talking rules Cueball. One knows that rules will be challenged just as laws are. Without rules there is nothing to point to for enforcement. I'm glad I provided you with a laugh on Monday morning. Out of curiosity: Do you have any children in the school system?
Not yet. But I will certainly arm my child with a cell phone on their way too and fro from school, since they will be living in Toronto.
Living in Saint John, I'm dedicated to our two sons never having a cellphone during their school years. The issue probably has regional overtones to it. My sons also get driven to school since their schools are on their mother's route to work.
Yes, there is no consensus among parents that cell phones are a bad thing to have at school, unlike guns, knives and drugs--some want to reach their children in emergencies, some minimize the distraction phones effect in the classroom, and some also think that their children are entitled to carry what technical gadget they will. Moreover, acceptance of cell phones will grow, not diminish, making banning their use unfortunately a doomed bulwark against the progress of time.
I understand the prinicpal's frustration, but oldgoat's right--this is the move of a control freak; or, possibly more accurately, the reactionary response of a man who believes in the righteousness of his ethics, and sees them eroded, his ability to stop them whittled away to nil. It is also called modernity.
I think the best way to fight the distraction in the classroom is Michelle's suggestion, based on individual cases: warning, confiscation and restoration at the end of the day/class.
Rexdale's observation that schools need to update their curriculum is certainly true, but I suspect that teenagers will always find ways to distract themselves from differential calculus and John Knowles' A Separate Peace (ETA: actually, that supportds Rex's argument. Even if the class organized a revival of George Ryga's Ecstasy of Rita Joe, someone would still find occasion to text their friends the latest gossip).
While I'm not sure how it relates specifically to the cellphone issue, Rexdale_Punjabi raises a good point about the overall atmosphere not being equal from one school to another.
I mentioned how cellphones are treated at my kids school. They're not supposed to have cellphones, but there would only be an intervention if there was some sort of problematic behaviour, like using it in class. Otherwise, everyone in the building knows that damn near every kid has a cellphone with them, including my kid. It just stays in her pocket or bag.
I've heard school administrators talk about cellphones being used by students in pusiut of drugs, or other criminal activity. To the extent that that's the case, it's not the cellphone that's the problem, guys. Besides, sounds like this principal's use of the jammer is criminal activity itself.
The principal's use of a jammer was ilegal. Cellphones make it easier for students to participate in criminal activity than the absence of cellphones would.
Michelle Jas just said it that way to make me look stupid not sexist. A guy can text his girl a girl can text her guy. I just said it from my POV. And exactly tho OG the environment in dif schools is dif in one you got kids who gotta worry about shit like dam how my moms gonna pay the bills. Others OMG did you see that dress for 5 bills you think daddy will buy me it? Big dif I don't wanna expose more but you get my point too many of the ppl on this thread n board who tryna say shit like ban it, criminal activity n shit don't realize that those problems exist not cuz ppl are evil or some shit. But cuz a nigga gotta eat, n many times only way is thru the streets. Do you really think min wage will pay ur bills? Are poor really evil do we not have a right to try and enjoy some the stuff others have? I realize that much of the mid class is also part of the proliteriate but yo there a difference. We the part of society that even more fucced. What gives the ppl doing the talking to dictate what right and wrong for us, you in our situation?, do you go thru the same shit we go thru?, shit do you even know what we go thru or face?, or do you just watch the news n think. "goddam those niggers are so violent, what is wrong with these ppl let's deport them to thier country where a gun culture exists and that why they do it here." But, who put em in that country? who made that country poor? ask urself that.
Catchfire I get that teens wil always find ways to distract ourselves I aint no exception but when right from the beginning u end up hating "learning" cuz they make it so difficult and pointless. And the stuff they teaching aint related to me. Esp in the early years that a problem they make the 1st couple years of high school so fucced up that when you get around to choosing ur shit you either failed so many you cant yet or you dead, locced or dropped out str88 up.
Revolution_Please is a mod word I just thought he was my nigga lol doesnt change anything though. Caissa how do you propose putting this ban in place? Would you have all students searched upon entering the building? Would u go far as to say that they can always hide it so cops should be able to strip search? Would you only have "certain" schools where "certain" more suspect ppl or groups go? And there u go Cueball they can't stop kids from bringing anything to school IMO a ban on anything is stupid because all it does is give someone a reason to go against it. what if you actually had a ciriculum that was related to students and therefore wasn't boring? and str8 up you know that most kids mature later on in high school and treatin them like criminals and suspects in the early years just goes to put them in the prison system and fucc their life up even more.
Michelle what do you find degrading about what I said? just the fact that it a male POV? why you acting like women don't like to fucc too? sorry if I used my POV but obv the girl texts too and tru say lol she usually texts more I seen how some of the girls I know text lol der fingers move fast as shittt son.
Response to caissa just seeen it was writing this post. Caissa so do pencils and notebooks, so do many things. Criminal activity is profitable and requires because of the system we live in don't blame the person trying to make ends meet. Get put in our position and see what you would do don't talk all uppity and shit. I know you wouldn't be talking all that if you thought ur kids were into some shit and congrats for them not. But until you lived in another's place don't even start going there. And you really think people won't find another way? Do you really think ppl use cellphones for "criminal" activity? explain to me how you know this and suspect it.
RP, are sexism and racism not enough for you? Accusing me of talking "uppity and shit" doesn't push dialogue forward. Just to be clear, I think the Mods have been cutting you way too much slack. But they are the mods and i respect their discretionary powers.
touched on in my other post but flawed logic and a bullshit reason to ban something. Did you know that cars make it easier for accidents to occur than horse do? Did you that electric applicances make you more likely to get electricuted? Did you know that having genitals makes you more likely to get STDs from unsafe sex?
What you suggest to those "problems". Yo I aint tryna be mean but when you say something stupid it gets a stupid response.
Rexdale Punjabi, Michelle was referring to oldgoat, who's a mod. Not Revolution Please, who's a way cool poster. (way cool is from when I was a teen many decades ago. Ha.)
It sounds like this is about the principal who, as other have mentioned is a control freak, to the point of using illegal technology. And if it's also about curtailing illegal activity, then it's in fact an age-old tactic by dumbasses in power: penalize everyone so that those who have cel phones for normal silly reasons will then turn to the ones using them for drug deals (or whatever) and say "you're ruining it for everyone, you're so bogus!" (sorry, all my teen vernacular is stuck in the early 80s). Classic divide and conquer.
what did I say that racist in this thread? Saying you talkin uppity and shit does push dialogue forward. It trying to show you that you talking from a higher position of privilege. And you really don't know much about the situation you trying to talk about in this case criminal activity related to cellphones in schools. Aint my job to say it I guess it the mods but Im trying to say yo say what you want it appreciated but at the same time remember that you really don't know. And what slacc? what have I said wrong?
The sexist part ye I guess the way I said would come off as patronizing (that the right word?) but I didn't mean it like that and I apologize for that. To make it clear yo I meant it like yo from my POV I would text my girl. I write in my POV doesn't mean others aint valid but this the one that I got expierence with. I see that from a women's POV it can be seen as sexist n Ima apologize for that. So to all the women sorry about that I didn't mean it like that. A girl can text her man too
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o word but I called jas an asshole b4 OG stepped in so what Michelle said wouldn't be valid of me sayin shit after a mod steps in which like bein a coward. Str8 up he was bein one tho he I guess I should say he/she since I don't know but yea. Control Freak ass muthafucca divide and conquer shit. I agree with that what I was gonna say though is not sure if I said it already from what I got Jas wasn't trying to say nothing about what I said bein sexist just make fun of the way I write/talk to try n make my point less valid aint it called a Straw Man or some shit heard it on here b4. Cuz he/she didn't really have a argument to what I said.
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It cool though you don't have to try n talk dif in front of no1. From a minority POV yo we always wonder when we around someone white who aint from the hood like yo are those aightz n yez really there on the regz? It pisses me off sometimes when ppl try to do that not you but you know what I mean right Im thinkin like yo STFU n talk how you normally would b4 I knocc ur ass out. Usually end up sayin it too shit
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Touchin on what I said might be thread drift (that what it called right?) but yo I hate that we supposed to dress and talk dif if we wanna be hired or some shit like how we dress aint normal. How it aint supposed to be "regular human beings" dress, talk and behave. WTF is that bullshit I know some people gonna defend it but yo speak ur views I wanna know where that shit comin from.
The "N" word is now permissible on Babble?
Discussing your perception of my POV RP is a debating topic designed to avoid the subject at hand.
I hope a mod is reviewing your comments in this thread.
I aint white and it is valid based on the comments you made because this is discussing the article. See? and also yo this a forum dedicated to anti-racism and anti-ignorance right? So im callin you out on both. And it related to the topic also because a measure like this wayyy more likely to be put in a hood school then a white one and you know that.
Like what're you tryna say show me something that you think should get me banned? I made what you could call I guess a "personal attac" on jas cuz he/she made one on me and I stopped when a mod asked me to. As for the sexist thing I explained that I realized it could be taken in a sexist way but I didn't mean it like that. The way you take what I say depends on you I aint excusin what I said but yo fucc this society and its bullshit of sayin how guys can fucc and women cant. Just from a guys POV that bullshit n yall know why
. Usually it the guy askin the girl like yo lets cut after from my expieriences and others. It fucced up how the girl probably thinking the same thing but can't or won't cuz she'll be labeled a ho. Fucc that it aint fair or right and it gotta stop. Ppl like to fucc period
He probably doesn't know that.
Gee, have you got a lot to learn.
Um, for the record, I do not make fun of people's accents or dialects. I was making fun of somebody's use of a dialect that most likely is not his own. Do you understand the difference? To go to great pains to incorporate a particular dialect or ethnic inflection in written communication, as most Babblers are aware, takes work. More work than simply writing in simple English with spelling errors. The word "yo", for example, sprinkled liberally throughout a post, does nothing to add any meaning to it, except to brand the poster as a member of a particular community; presumably to give himself or herself some kind of "street" cred. I think we can also presume that Rex Punjabi understands how common English words like "this", "that", "thing", "with" and "fuck" are spelled. Is it more difficult to write "thing" than it is to write "ting", or to write "fuck" than it is to write "fucc"? Why? There's a purposiveness in deliberately writing in dialect that does not seem genuine to me.
If Rexdale Punjabi claims that dialect as his own, who is anyone here to stop me from doing so as well? If I want to speak in black American street rap, I have as much right to as Rexdale Punjabi. Who are you to tell me I don't?
Maybe Rex doesn't like to swear on a public message board and so uses the spelling fucc, as opposed to fuck.
And what is genuine? White intellectuals using the language of the intelligencia, as opposed to simple english in order to add dramatic flare or authority to their views. Art Poetry... what? One writes deliberately in the style one writes. This style is often a deliberate means to subvert the dominant culture, even in its language, which to many sounds pretentious deliberate and affected.