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Caissa, RP is right. Context is everything, and there are tons of discussions in the online anti-racist, hip-hop and Black communities about the use of the N word. Sadly, there is no way that conversation could ever happen on babble, the main reason being there are not enough Black folks who post here. And look what happens to the ones who do.
babble is a white dominated space, and the only time, until Rexdale Punjabi came, that word's been used in the past is either by trolling racists, or in a debate on "why can't white folks use the N word" or similar nonsensical discussions.
I don't think we've ever had a poster like Rexdale Punjabi, who I"m really happy is here. He's responded very positively to challenges about the sexism in his posts. He's using his vernacular. This is troublesome to many babblers. Who are white. You are deliberately picking up on a detail that is clearly not used by Rexdale Punjabi in a racist way. Nice try.
That's a really good topic, why don't you start a new thread on that? I've seen some discussions about this in the blog-world as well. Yes, it would be thread drift to get into it here.
harder for you Im used to typing like this and so you calling me a fake? I dont give a fucc if you think im a fake. Blacc amerikkkan street rap? the fact that you call it that shows you aint from the hood that how ppl know the dif. You see that? I type how I talk because it quiccer and easier. I spit I also write my lines how I talk. Did you ever think because we speak a dif dialect in the hood that it would take longer for us to put it into how others talk? Most likely not my own? like yo what're you on here tryna prove what's to stop you? manz can you that you a fake. You call it blacc amerikkkan street rap talk. the fact you think that rap started ppl talking like that, or that it has anything to do with rap shows you live in a sheltered environment son. It shows you aint from the hood and it shows that you on some bullshit and don't know that Hiphop Lives in the North Son
edit- about what Maysie this how it discussed. The origins for the word nigga trace bacc to African languages. It related to things like Snake in many languages. In most of the languages around esp in the 3 split parts of africa (what yall would call africa, the mideast and south asia) Nag or Naga is realated to Snake. As well Net n Neter or Niger n Nigeria mean King and Queen. There more a brotha showed me a thing on it one time. Others believe since white ppl used the word to degrade and humilitae us for example after whipping us they would say it we should stop. A lot of the older generation but not limited to it say that. There others who say that yo we reclaimed but not complety and many others show that words are just words but the meaning behind has a positive or negative vibe. And they say it can never have a positive one because of the history even though it really our word the english one has european roots for example for blacc object in spanish, Something about Dead Continent in Greek etc and that the english one is negative. Me it part of what I say now I realize it but yo we use it nuff that it w.e IMO I got bigger shit to worry about then a word because that word can only enslave me if I want it to. The cops on the other hand ....
On a personal level like it depends I've grown past the stage where I would knocc a white dude out for sayin it and I can tell when they mean it in a just to discuss it way or to call me a nigga. (basically is it a normal person or the boi lol) It depends on the person you know and hearin nigga or nigger is def different son. Nigger still got that poison no matter who say it.
"A nigger is the slave hangin of the tree, a nigga is the brotha wit a gold chain hangin off his necc" - 2 Pac ( not exact words)
feel me?
hahaha I was thinking the same thing. I'd als say that jas got told. He probably won't figure it out for a while though. Rex, you talk too fast for him.
Well Maysie, you and I are just going to have to disagree on what Rexdale Punjabi adds to the site. His repeated use of the term "girl" for "woman" I suppose is excuable as well? The double standards on this site are sometimes truly disgusting.
Since he is probably not out of his teens it stands to reason he is dealing with girls more than women.
I'm not from the 'hood? What the fucc do you know? What the hell 'hood is Rex from?
Hip Hop lives in da North. Okey dokey, son.
I'm pretty sure mods would not be giving a white rapper boy the same kind of slack here.
Me too. Boy do I hate Snow and that other guy, em and em.
Actually, if most babblers responded with the sincerity, nuance and willingness to forge alliances that Rexdale_Punjabi has when it has been pointed out to him that something he has said might offend some people, this place would be a far better place. I am amazed at the political awareness, enthusiasm and power that issues from such a young poster.
I can see why some babblers might find that frightening.
I fink we should all adopt da cringe-worthy affectashun online. chek hat me! I iz bangin dig ali g!
(courtesy of the Ali G. translator)
what cueball said and jas LOL SON FUCC? so tell me why do I say it? why do i never put a k after a c? yo this man Cracc me up. Ok what hood is Rex from? The rex nigga white rapper boy? yo are you from the boonies or some shit? you funny as shit
yo jas and snert? sorry but the truth is "everybody wanna be a nigga, but don't nobody wanna be a nigga" - Paul Mooney
when you understand those words come bacc that ali g shit and all that just makes YOU look stupid not me. Im on here trying to exchange knowledge you obv here trying to annoy ppl Im sicc atm and would rather learn something in the time I would normally be at school which I pointed out don't teach shit.
edit- Catchfire I know but I don't even care anymore str8 up they hiding their problems by sayin shit they'll get off this and go bacc to w.e they were doing and their lives good or bad. If they feel the need to make fun of ppl on the internet and think it funny then good for them. I know for a fact they wouldn't be doing this anywhere else but the internet. I don't try to be something Im not on this I have no reason to Im trying to learn something and do something real yo
"fucc da fake niggas tellin tales/ The blocc stays hot cuz the blocc is hell" and till the day I die son Ima try to change that no matter what the day looks like, no matter who against me or with me, and no matter what the odds look like. Those the words for my life RBG till the death of me
I am disgusted by Snert and jas's behaviour here. This is sickening.
R_P, I'm sure you don't need me to tell you this, but don't listen to these assholes.
I have to admit I agree with you for once, Snert. All G. was a pretty racist kind of black face routine, and Borat was very borderline.
Yo, chill, bro.
On the subject of cultural appropriation, Rexdale had this to say:
and yet it's perfectly OK for him, being a Punjabi Canadian, to co-opt the language of hip-hop.
I have a couple of Facebook friends who type the way R_P does, and I know they're real people. It's a combination of shortcut typing (which a lot of young people, including my (white) son, learn to do because they're growing up with stuff we didn't, like instant chat programs and such), dialect, and just plain youth culture and slang (and we all have our slang - ours is just more "acceptable" in certain circles). Just because you're not exposed to it in the places you frequent online doesn't mean it isn't genuine once you do see it. As for misspelling words, people sometimes get used to doing that with words like "fuck" if they are used to places with screening programs and such. Urban Dictionary on the word "fucc".
It may take more time for YOU to type the way R_P does, jas, because you're used to using standard English when you type. It would take longer for me to do that too. But if I had gotten used to typing the way R_P does with all my friends online and in instant chat programs and such, then it wouldn't be any more difficult - and probably less difficult.
None of us knows whether any of us is who we say we are. It's always possible that none of us using an alias is who we say we are. We could all be posers. All we have to go on is what is written here, and we take people's posts at face value here unless there is some sort of proof that they're not on the up-and-up. There is no such proof in R_P's case, and so it's really inappropriate to mock his writing style because it doesn't conform to the dominant style here.
im from the hood, and learn ur history mine shows me what I am
jas is that short for jasdeep or something? If ur punjabi know what you are up till colonization recently what you think the 2nd ethiopia was? If you live in TO you seen ethiopians and somalis guess why they look similar to south asian ( shit it really east africa) This off-topic but I gotta adress that
If you only believe what white ppl say go by what they tell you. Alexander the great called southern indians as looking like ethiopians. And north india in a historical sense would include pakistan and mayb southern afganistan (not sure about afganistan part but it was part of a lot of empires) the mughal empire only went up to sialkot if ur punjabi and didn't have ties to pakistan so you werent shifted during the divide you most likely have little to none foreign mix in you cuz the Aryan Invasion Theory been proved false as just another colinzation divide and conquer attempt. If you look at spoken language Punjabi and Tamil sound very similiar but you proly don't know that. I don't even wanna get into this it been debated and proven even on language tingz but you probably wouldn't accept that. Notice where dreadloccs are most prevalent? Notice that many of the hindu gods have loccs. More n more points to what I'm saying and not the colonizer's view of history. They tried to steal our and Kemet's (egypt) history by saying white people made it but they failed hard when it was put up to objective reasearch and debate. Im done if you wanna know more msg me or learn urself. This aint for this board or topic.
If we weren't such a racist society, this wouldn't be such a minefield, would it?
So Rexdale gets to live and speak from two cultures because he from da hood. Whereas jas has to use only white Canadian speak because it is assumed that jas aint from da hood. I sure wonder what 'hood it is that gives people this pass.
I'd love to know what your history is if I could read your f*ccing posts. And don't tell me what to learn, dude.
Whatever. I've made my point, but street rap doesn't get a pass here for its use of sexist or demeaning language, and I will call him on it if I see it.
jas, we've said that all along. That you're free to call him out on the sexism if you see it, but it's not okay to mock his writing style because he chooses to write in dialect. Thanks for understanding the difference.
2 cultures? I got 2 a mix really but it aint about white canadian speak or anything. You never answered my question then nothing was assumed till you proved you aint from the hood. what does the cc do? Sayin something like I wonder what hood it is that gives ppl this pass proves you aint from the hood. You don't need to know my history I was sayin if jas is short for something like Jasdeep as in you east african you DO need you learn ur history. That a fact if you know what I mean then you do otherwise no. Streep rap?
bein from the hood means a lot of things something you would never understand and if you called me out on shit in a way that didn't make it look like u were trolling, bein racist n many things and if you had something to call me out on maybe it would be ok
and yo ur not cool for not puttin a k after a c if you don't know the meaning or you aint from the hood, or you aint banging. Ur disrespecting many things
edit- Just read what micelle says Jas. also WTF is this Urban Dictionary shit bacc on topic like there many other ways to do things ppl would say are "criminal" besides cellphones. Real talk when you have less you more creative, look at what kids do in the hood (no exposin tho lol) And to communicate cellphones proly one of the worst ways you can find way more ways banning them needlessly punishes kids and wouldn't really do anything most teachers would just give up after awhile. Cellphones and Mp3 players are "banned" at my school n yet by the middle of class even the teacher is jammin to my traccs. (Crime Minista Illy, L-P, Dead Prez, Immortal Tech, D-Jacc, Blacc-I, Tha Smugglaz, Kardinal, B-Dubb, Uncle Phil, Camoflauge aka Gangis Khan, Junior Tunez, Jelleestone, K'Naan, Mayhem Morearty, Sizzla, Anthony B, SPM, Vertigo, Doomztown G-Squad) (basically Tdot Traccs esp Doomztown and other underground lol) What does that show you? Only time teachers act all bannin n shit is when the VP come in n if it the Trini one they like yall better not play bad music lol
I can't read your posts, Rex. But to answer your previous question, my ancestry is not South Asian, although I like the name jaswinder.
then it doesn't matter the previous post don worry about it n dont watch dat
Rexdale_Punjabi, I must admit I am a bit uncomfortable with the regular use of the term 'nigga' and it's variants in this context, although I have not been so while talking on the street with some people. For me the difference is context. Are we speaking among those who appreciate the same meanings or are we speaking among those who do not? For example, most people rephrase their habitual daily dialect in work or educational settings, particularly if it would impede communication. While it might be possible to consider this a form of capitulation to the dominant society's colonialist norms, and I would be inclined to agree with that somewhat, I would still urge you to consider a more 'standard' form of communication in contexts where it might prove to be contentious, and where such contention might take away from the core of what you are trying to communicate, especially regarding more socially contested terms such as 'nigga'.
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I hear u on that too b but, at the same time yo it like the ppl who makin fun of the way you talk n shit wouldn't be on our side when presented with info anyway you can't fix stupid. It like you can see I been making a effort to type better but it still takes me a long ass time like this I can't talk white people son lol Like that why I stopped postin more on our history cuz it aint for others to see feel me? I remember you sayin you were from the hood too wa part b? In my view the way it c is actually fucc it I'm not even gonna say it seems to me anything I would say you would already know what I mean and other wouldn't understand and take it the wrong way. If im talkin n I say nigga it'll come out tru say I stopped givin a fucc what white ppl at large think cuz except for the select few like some on this site all we'll ever be is something different. A muthafuca can bleach his skin and change his hair but he still look like a nigga aint nothin change that and you know what Ima be proud of that.
Let's get back to the topic at hand. I'll state my case. I do not see any legitimate reason why school students need access to a cellphone during school hours.
1. Music which many teachers like I said even jam to while every1 workin
2. talkin or textin ppl (friends, ur boiz, ur girl, etc)
3. Emergencies
4. Blocc Tingz
Did you forget what it was like to be in high school? If something pops up (not always some party tingz) you proly need to know cuz it will affect you. (what if someone comin up on ur boi?) And I don't see a good reason for them not to have one and since it uses up time and resources to try n enforce a ban. If there no good reason then it a waste which aint good so banning it aint good. And what according to you is school hours? You got from 9-3 lets say 3:15. 1 hour out of that is lunch when u do need it. U got 5 hours left. Out of that u got 5-10 min in between 4 periods which like another 20-40 min right there let's call it 1/2. Down to 4.5 hours. Out of that maybe 15-20min is a lesson on the longer classes the rest u just there either workin or chillin. So close to the majority of the time there a definite use for it outside of the 1-1.5 hours of lessons or w.e u wanna call it (depends on the class, math sort of shit all thru the 1st 5-10min u wouldnt have it otherwise yea, gym no period unless it health, as examples) wit the newer ones that got keyboards you can take basic notes on a cellphone, n they got stuff like a calculator which u def need, and lose a lot or it breaks in ur bag. And some kids take pics of shit for classes like photography.
I think you been away from school too long to know this stuff.
There were no cell phones when we were in high school. Which is why we can't really understand why students need to have their cell phones in class.
Thank you, Michelle.
Rexdale Punjabi- I see none of the things in your last post as "needs". They would fall into my categorization of "wants."
It's too bad, too. Remember "emergencies" when we were in school, Michelle? Lacking portable telephones we had no choice but write a hasty letter home ("Mom... Dad? I'm choking on my sandwich in the cafeteria and now everything's getting dark...") and ask a friend to deliver it. That or we had to shine boots for an hour to earn a farthing to use the Public Telegraph, but mostly if there was an emergency, you just died and tried not to complain about it.
I do have vivid memories of "texting" on little pieces of dead trees, with these slips passed from hand to hand in what can only be described as the first peer-to-peer network, complete with a "firewall" that would ask "would you like to share that with the entire class?". An early Twitter. Oh ya. Our generation invented it ALL.
Personally, I have no memories of high school at all, so I can't really say. I do however think that this relates to a real cultural generational difference. Sometimes one has to accept that something is just there, even if it is not understood. I also don't think having a cell at school really has much to do with "emergencies" as anyone would define them.
Todays highschool students were born into a world where the internet was already up an running. They are an electronically connected culture. My daughter carries a device smaller than a chocolate bar, which is (of course a telephone) but a camera, full internet, GPS, and maybe more for all I know. She is a participant in her cultural context, and it's important to remember that kids and teenagers, far more than old goats, are very much beings of their context. She kicks in to the cost of it a bit, but it's not easy as she is also saving for university. So I admit I'm a bit of an indulgent parent, but I think as a teenager it's important to be normatively socially connected.
It's possible to get by without of course, and lots of kids do. She has to, and does use these toys in a manner courteous to those around her. It isn't getting in the way of her studies, which raised the point of how amazingly well kids today can task in various media at once without loss of quality of work.
well b4 cellphones u just had to shout really loud 5-0 SHUT IT DOWN. What easier? Or u jus hollad really loudly knowin that bare manz would b chillin in the rex havin ur bacc. But now many evicted so there u go. Aii the emergency ting was bad I wont lie cuz u don't really leave the hood that much but what if you lost downtown? Im sure yall had something that yall had and said it was needed but older ppl didn't think so.