Daedalus
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martin dufresne wrote:

"...adopt a more principled stance that has less chance of succesfully delivering any help or tools for the majority of these women to escape?"

And on what basis do you say that?

On the simple basis that it's always easier to get less done. The most principled stance would be one that tolerates nothing less than the immediate cessation of all exploitative sex-for-hire by removing everything that causes it. Thats a tall order. Curbing some of the impact of that exploitation is less ambitious, less satisfying to principle, and still leaves thousands of women (and a few male youths) trapped in a very hellish sort of exploitation, but it's probably alot easier to accomplish in the short term. There's all kinds of dilemmas. Would enfranchisement banish concerns about the sex trade from the public consciousness? That would sabotage other efforts to lift women out of prosititution. But likewise, could standing on principle be satisfying to the conscience but fail to deliver any relief? I don't know ... these things constitute my indecision on the issue.

 

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In fact, the multi-prong action plans adopted in Sweden, Norway, now Iceland and being considered in the U.K. do answer women's demands for alternatives to prostitution: detox, subsidized housing and child care, job market re-entry, psych support, erasing criminal records, etc., the kind of things women have been demanding here in Canada but not being heard over the din from pimps and their lobbyists.

Perhaps ... I'm not really familiar with how succesful their policies have been or whether they address concerns of the prostitutes themselves, or just people who speak for them ...  but in any case, is it a politically viable solution here in Canada in any timely fashion? You yourself said "Fat chance in Canada." Will we end up waiting a generation or two for social change before it's possible, with prostitutes suffering in a completely disenfranchised, criminalized, and dangerous environment in the meantime?

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ETA: It seems to me that the "principled stance" is the one that blames "these women" for unseen men's choices

That seems principled to you?

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In fact, buying sex is mere opportunism for us, the stuff of business expense accounts and macho camaraderie; set it out of bounds and most men will slink on to other prursuits

 Well, count me out of the "us". I'm on a meager disability, not a business expense account, and almost completely uninterested in socializing; let alone "macho camaraderie"!

Wrapped up in that whole statement, I detect a stereotype and an oppressive social model, the tyranny of the extroverts who insist that the non-gregarious among us are somehow damaged or lacking.


One in nine men hire prostitutes - Want to talk about it? By: martin dufresne (103 replies) April 13, 2009 - 9:00pm
  • martin dufresne wrote: If By: Doug (Apr 15 2009 - 9:48pm)
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  • CMOT Dibbler wrote: One in By: Doug (Apr 15 2009 - 9:24pm)
  • martin: do you think By: Ghislaine (Apr 15 2009 - 1:47pm)
  • No, he could have paid By: martin dufresne (Apr 15 2009 - 1:45pm)
  • Snert wrote: Quote:On top of By: Michelle (Apr 15 2009 - 1:35pm)
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  • sorry!   By: CMOT Dibbler (Apr 15 2009 - 1:03pm)
  • Snert wrote: Quote:On top of By: CMOT Dibbler (Apr 15 2009 - 1:00pm)
  • If you are going to get into By: martin dufresne (Apr 15 2009 - 12:54pm)
  • Quote:On top of all the By: Snert (Apr 15 2009 - 12:31pm)
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  • Is it that I am just getting By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 14 2009 - 8:24pm)
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  •   I agree more attention By: Tommy_Paine (Apr 14 2009 - 7:02pm)
  • CMOT Dibbler wrote: One in By: al-Qa'bong (Apr 14 2009 - 6:17pm)
  • I heard John Moore By: Skinny Dipper (Apr 14 2009 - 5:53pm)
  • One in nine men hire By: CMOT Dibbler (Apr 14 2009 - 7:03pm)
  • Michelle wrote:If you start By: remind (Apr 14 2009 - 12:17pm)
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  • Martin, have any studies By: Maysie (Apr 14 2009 - 8:58am)
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  • Good point Not just hoping, By: martin dufresne (Apr 14 2009 - 7:56am)
  • If you start including the By: Michelle (Apr 14 2009 - 5:40am)
  • A considerable proportion of By: martin dufresne (Apr 19 2009 - 8:03pm)
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  • One out of nine?    Maybe By: radiorahim (Apr 13 2009 - 9:25pm)
  • It was to be in body and By: martin dufresne (Apr 13 2009 - 8:59pm)
  • One in nine men FREQUENT By: Michelle (Apr 13 2009 - 8:58pm)
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