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listen if ur white nigger or nigga will get u knocced out it aint offensive for us. 2 letters not 5
fidel u know it aint the same
n cueball his cultural heritage? what? white dudes talk like that among each other?
edit- not brainer agen ....
edit- Remind seen ur other thread U Really dont get that the topic wasnt about this forum or anything it was about other stuff did I say u were wrong in pointing out shit I said that was sexist? U checc urself I checc myself all the time like i got it b4 n I realized shit I was sayin n I stopped sayin it progress. Another issue comes up u tell me I realize it more progress. U makin a new topic that makes no sense and the fact that you never understood the point of the OP shows u havent made progress
edit- Only part the OP had to do with the forum was racial shit obv a women knows more about sexism then me white or blacc
Oh ya, i get it, and i see no progress from you, and i am quite finished playing your game.
Rexdale_Punjabi, thanks for your lyrics. I'm gonna see if I can do that soon. (I know I can) Your message resonated much clearer. Respect. People do get things even if you think responses here indicate otherwise. I don't comment much but read often and wanted to say I appreciate your voice. Hope I'm not patronizing. I'm learning and many others are too.
Rexdale_Punjabi, that was f'n great. It's a really effective way to get your point across, especially considering the OP. To me, it seems like your message is: 'don't tell me how I sound, or how to live. This is how I sound and this is how I live. This.' It would be nice if some other posters in this thread would listen to that a bit more.
With regard to the question in the OP, it's definitely been around for a while. I've read a lot of literature about the so-called 'negro problem' of the 1920s-1960s, and, as you can probably tell, it's cringeingly patronizing. The literature also included a lot of 'white-sounding' black writers who parroted back white assumptions under the guise of first-person experience. Kenneth Clark's Dark Ghetto (1965), in which he addresses the problem of a black 'underclass' springs to mind. Clark was a student of Gunnar Myrdal whose An American Dilemma (1944) pretty much wrote the recipe for white, liberal hand-wringing over race-relations in America. This isn't to say that these studies aren't helpful--after all, Myrdal was probably the first white person to 'discover' that racism was a 'white-man's problem' too: but even this observation is loaded. The implication is that maligned blacks present a danger to whites, so we better improve their condition for our own saftey and well-being. It also establishes and validates the existence of a black underclass whose culture is not as refined, complex and 'good' as white culture. So, even though these 'scientific' studies urge massive public investment in the reduction of inner city poverty, what they in fact did was reinforce the belief that black culture was inferior to white culture, that white fears of black 'institutionalized pathology' were justified, and that distinguishing features of African American life and family structures (described as 'matriarchal'!) need to be fixed or eradicated.
Right. It is not. I am being sarcastic. Point being that he doesn't ues the word normally, so it is hardly offensive to him if he can't use it on this web site. It is not as if his "voice" is being repressed, he doesnt use the word anyway. And then, why would he use it? It doesn't really pertain to white cultural heritage except when used as mocking, at best, or an outright slur, at worst.
So I am saying he should look at his question and ask the opposite. Not "why can't I use this word", if other people are, but "why would I be using it", in 99.9 percent of all conversational contexts where white people would be using it. I think it is a little clearer when looked at that way.
Personally, I em embarassed when I see white people using this kind of language to mark themselves as street cool. But people do it.
exactly the thing about the matriarichal thing is it that way because it a lot of single mothers right, when there 2 or u look at someting like the church it a african version of the european system, how many prominent leaders you see who arent male? church or otherwise, the women have been told the european concept of behind the man when ours is Beside standing tall together.only time either is on top or behind is u know when they on top or behind. And yea they considered it less refined, less w.e and yet the music they listened to for example who made it? But, that same attitude or w.e of help em or theyll kill u or w.e caused a lot of shit that bankers esp took advantage of like gettin a single mom to stroller her baby down the blocc n whtie ppl would start putting homes on sale, which drops the price like mad, the banks buy em up n sell em to poor families who know stucc with a loan they cant afford.
Aii Cueball misunderstanding on my part. And Remind what fuccin game?
i thought about the thread title and opening post here last night, and together with things that Jessica Yee said on her blog the other day, and a comment from oldgoat in the Sri Lanka III thread, and some other comments earlier, i had to reflect. so i'm reflecting now, i was too tired last night and my output wouldn't have been useful. it's drizzling outside and this is important to talk about anyway. i'll get back to this thread, but it may not be in a timely way now that spring season is full on.
so what i had to struggle with were several issues;
a) i was raised in a Christian background where the teaching of the mainstream institution was a huge emphasis on charity. This was in contrast to a very thin thread on justice. and only later did I get any sense of the distinction between seeking justice for oneself or justice 'for' others.
b) what happens, for me anyway, is that if i'm not aware enough of, or haven't dealt sufficiently with, my own issues (and this is a lifetime process i think) then i get caught up in other peoples struggles (put the apostrophe on peoples both before and after the s.)
c) so where i read another group of people, like Tamils in their current struggle, that are facing an oppressive state, and i haven't dealt sufficiently with the whole issue of an oppressive state - personal/political/etc., then i get 'hooked' by that struggle emotionally. i can, and have, as babblers and rabblers have noted, got overly involved in that and other struggles at times.
d) recognizing the over-doing, and getting 'permission' to back off from it, is actually very liberating for me, given the cultural/religious pressures which still entrap me to a large degree from a) above. so thank you for that babblers and rabblers.
e) the other challenge is that there is still a need for solidarity. diverse peoples are stronger together, in working together on issues in an equal way. how to do that in an equal way is a real challenge.
f) there is the fact that to some degree, if Tamils do find opportunity for self-determination, in whatever political form they choose, it will be great for all in a very real sense, as a step in resisting and weakening the various global powers which are holding them down, and which otherwise will have greater power to hold more people down, as well as exploit the earth. so this is where the solidarity thing is very real.
g) as noted in e) how people of different races and backgrounds can work together is a big question. some elements are space and time in responses, who sets direction, language used, other elements?
h) we're all limited in diverse ways, and the dance never ends.
i) going back to d) here, if i'm more free to work on my own issues, which at present are very much centred on getting enough $ to keep various aspects of the farm going, and trying some new things, then that's a good and necessary thing. i don't want to get so wrapped up in my own immediate needs though that i have no time for work on collective issues that will ultimately assist with the $ stuff from the broader perspective, like rolling back global powers and an outrageous economic casino that are ruining all efforts to build healthy lives, jobs, businesses, and ecosystems.
so thanks for listening to all this.
cool but yo Revolution I wasnt rappin lol but I heard ppl sayin b4 I sound like I am when I talk u know n I mean it like wus that word with passion I guess str8 I spit but wasnt on those things still u know would have taken way too long to type out
Exactly, R_P. These studies used the word 'matriarchal' not as an alternative way of living, but as a pejorative term that amplified the bourgeois perception of urban blacks: derelict fathers, single (read: loose) mothers and children with no sense of direction. Black, inner-city culture was thus defined as perverse, degraded and deviant. Black writers like Ralph Ellison, Lorraine Hansberry and Chester Himes who took gross exception to this view, forwarded by Myrdal, Clark and the Moyinihan report (an official Johnston administration report that opined slavery made blacks dependent on white society and this dependency continued to this day, to the detriment of both black and white America), pointed out exactly what you say, R_P, that Harlem was alive, and much of white America maintained a hypocritical relationship with black America: now fascination, now disgust. This involved 'slumming' in Harlem nightclubs, appropriating black music and pointing out how 'white flight' to the suburbs and the erosion of municipal tax bases predicated urban degradation and poverty. You're absolutely right that banks and mortgage companies, owned by white power, exploited these divides at the expense of black people. Hansberry's brilliant play, A Raisin in the Sun (1959) outlines this problem wonderfully.
But, I have to be careful, because while I can see how this all transpired in the 1960s, there is a very different situation now, with new strategies by white power and oppression to uphold this divide, strategies invisible to me in which I am likely unknowingly complicit, but from which I surely benefit. So that's why it's pretty great to hear your voice, R_P.