NDP strategy for the next federal election, whenever that may be. (Thread 2) By: NorthReport (103 replies) July 18, 2009 - 1:12amA Guaranteed Annual Income By: V. Jara (Jul 18 2009 - 9:26pm) Not really. Sweden's VAT By: Stephen Gordon (Jul 18 2009 - 8:42pm) Okay, and since youre bigger By: Fidel (Jul 18 2009 - 8:36pm) In Sweden, labour market By: Stephen Gordon (Jul 18 2009 - 7:49pm) Stephen Gordon wrote:
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The By: NorthReport (Jul 18 2009 - 2:34pm) OO, had a look at the By: remind (Jul 18 2009 - 2:22pm) Cambridge, eh!
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Well if my By: NorthReport (Jul 18 2009 - 2:01pm) I saw that Jack Layton is By: ottawaobserver (Jul 18 2009 - 2:32am)
- Closing for length. By: Maysie (Jul 22 2009 - 12:17pm)
- Despit having said I am By: KenS (Jul 22 2009 - 11:58am)
- Directly contradicting what By: KenS (Jul 22 2009 - 11:54am)
- Stockholm wrote: I predict By: madmax (Jul 22 2009 - 11:46am)
- The potential for the NDP to By: David Young (Jul 22 2009 - 6:54am)
- You have done some good By: NorthReport (Jul 22 2009 - 12:50am)
- I think that's an excellent By: Lord Palmerston (Jul 22 2009 - 12:25am)
- remind wrote: Truth is By: Debater (Jul 21 2009 - 11:35pm)
- remind wrote: I do not see By: adma (Jul 21 2009 - 11:05pm)
- Nice work adma. It'd be fun By: V. Jara (Jul 21 2009 - 10:54pm)
- I do not see Sudbury as By: remind (Jul 21 2009 - 10:06pm)
- I think you've nailed it By: ottawaobserver (Jul 21 2009 - 9:49pm)
- NorthReport wrote:Now, as By: adma (Jul 21 2009 - 9:41pm)
- NorthReport By: Lord Palmerston (Jul 21 2009 - 7:46pm)
- A lot of that already By: Stockholm (Jul 21 2009 - 2:49pm)
- Uncle John wrote: The NDP By: NorthReport (Jul 21 2009 - 2:45pm)
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- IntelligentDesign By: NorthReport (Jul 21 2009 - 2:04pm)
- Why anyone would vote for a By: Stockholm (Jul 21 2009 - 2:00pm)
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- IntelligentDesign By: Debater (Jul 21 2009 - 1:27pm)
- Hull-Aylmer isn't going to By: IntelligentDesign (Jul 21 2009 - 1:15pm)
- And besides, Canada's By: Fidel (Jul 21 2009 - 12:54pm)
- The NDP is already highly By: Stockholm (Jul 21 2009 - 12:42pm)
- The NDP has strength in By: Uncle John (Jul 21 2009 - 12:27pm)
- This was posted at the same By: madmax (Jul 21 2009 - 11:31am)
- adma wrote:remind By: remind (Jul 21 2009 - 1:39pm)
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- V. Jara I agree with you, By: NorthReport (Jul 21 2009 - 1:50am)
- Not to rain on your parade By: V. Jara (Jul 21 2009 - 12:52am)
- Thanks Stock, the correction By: NorthReport (Jul 21 2009 - 1:47am)
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- There are polls and there By: NorthReport (Jul 20 2009 - 11:32pm)
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- Another way the NDP could By: V. Jara (Jul 20 2009 - 10:35pm)
- Debater wrote: "I By: Fidel (Jul 20 2009 - 10:40pm)
- Debator Beginning of Sept By: remind (Jul 20 2009 - 11:39pm)
- But you are using last By: Debater (Jul 20 2009 - 10:31pm)
- Yes, the continual trending By: remind (Jul 20 2009 - 7:28pm)
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- So the Liberals are going to By: NorthReport (Jul 20 2009 - 6:41pm)
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- Cutting taxes for all By: George Victor (Jul 19 2009 - 3:10pm)
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- How about putting taxes on By: V. Jara (Jul 19 2009 - 1:02pm)
- Wrongful conviction. By: Unionist (Jul 19 2009 - 12:20pm)
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- The day the writ is dropped, By: peterjcassidy (Jul 19 2009 - 2:45am)
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- More ways to save money + By: V. Jara (Jul 18 2009 - 10:26pm)
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- A negative income tax and a By: Stephen Gordon (Jul 18 2009 - 9:33pm)
Okay, re Ontario, using the "incumbent/target/no hope" formula delineated in another thread (and bearing in mind "no hopers" are still to be taken seriously in a 308-seat strategy)...here's something quick + haphazard
AJAX-PIC: no hope unless the 905 votes in more of a Greater Vancouver fashion; then someone like Kevin Modeste could be competitive
ALG-MAN: incumbent; maybe safer than it looks
ADFW: possible target, depending on how much Liberal/Green and "Reform populist" vote can be tacked onto the Dundas/Westdale base
BARRIE: no hope--but second place possibility
BEACHES-EY: still a supertarget, even if Minna's remained invincible
BRAM-GORE-MAL: no hope
BRAMP-SPR: probably no hope, though NDP overachieved in '04 due to the Dhalla appointment schism
BRAMP W: no hope
BRANT: medium target--20%+ in '04 + '06; Derek Blackburn past
BRUCE-GREY-OS: any hope's been snuffed by the Greens
BURLINGTON: no hope
CAMBRIDGE: close 3rd means there's still hope in this baby yet
CARLETON-MM: no hope even in Doogie Munterland
C-K-ESSEX: targetable, thanks to 20%+ in '06 + economic factors
DAVENPORT: target
DVE: no hope
DVW: no hope, though David Sparrow proved you can make the most of a no-hoper
DUFF-CAL: no hope, except maybe for second
DURHAM: maybe targetable if on a roll--proximity to Oshawa helps, and McKeever did well for a withdrawn candidate; second place within reach
EG-LAW: no hope
ELGIN-MID-LON: possible hope, at least for second place; close third in '08 + geography and economic factors help
ESSEX: target, esp. w/o Susan Whelan
ETOB C: no hope
ETOB-LS: probably no hope given representation; but riding history justifies making the most of it
ETOB N: hitherto underrated; '08 proves worth targeting
GLEN P+R: no hope
GUELPH: still target against the Green grain; Green + NDP outpolled either Lib or Con in '08
HALD-NOR: no hope
HALIB-KL-BR: hope for 2nd
HALTON: no hope
HAM C: incumbent; safe
HAM E-SC: incumbent; vulnerable to repatriated Liberal vote
HAM MTN: incumbent; maybe similarly vulnerable, unless Liberal + Tory cancel each other out
HUR-BRU: no hope on paper; but they work hard against the stigma
KENORA: target
KINGSTON + I: targetable, esp. if Milliken retires
KITCH CEN: urban core = targetable
KITCH CON: likely no hope, though a surprising base in S Kitchener and '08's last-minute candidate overachieved
KITCH WAT: less targetable than Cen; more targetable than Con
LAMBTON-K-M: no hope, but Wallaceburg a NDP pocket flailing to get out
LAN-FRON-L+A: no hope, except maybe for 2nd
LEEDS-GREN: no hope but for 2nd
LON-FAN: incumbent, survived surprisingly well but still threatened at both ends
LON-NC: targetable, but Glen Pearson's incumbency and left-compatibility may cancel things out
LON W: judging from 20%+ in '06, even this is targetable
MARKHAM--no hope, but 10%+ in '08 a shocker
MISSISSAUGA x 5--no hope for any of them unless an NDP "ethnic strategy" is in place
NEPEAN-C: no hope
NEWM-AUR: no hope
NIAGARA FALLS: plausible target, esp. w/an NDP MP now next door
NIAGARA W-GB: no hope, through ripples from Hamilton felt
NICKEL BELT: incumbent
NIPISSING: underrated but targetable
NORTHUMBERLAND: historically no hope, but lately tried hard to be viable
OAK R-MAR: no hope
OAKVILLE: no hope
OSHAWA: supertarget
OTTAWA CEN: incumbent; *maybe* watch those Liberals
OTTAWA-ORL: no hope
OTTAWA S: no hope, Mazigh in '04 notwithstanding
OTTAWA-VAN: slight hope--well, if any other seat besides OC jumps...
OTTAWA W-NEP: no hope
OXFORD: probably no hope, but surprisingly close 3rd in '08
PARKDALE-HP: GK probably knocks it down the target list, but there's no harm in still trying
PS-MUSKOKA: no hope--but maybe second; who knows
PERTH-WEL: targetable if Stratford had more clout
PETERBORO: targetable according to '06 (*not* '08) results
PICK-SCAR E: no hope
PE-HASTINGS: likely no hope, unless a Jodie Jenkins runs
RENFREW-N-P: no hope as long as C Gallant's there
RICHM HILL: no hope
ST CAT: targetable a la NF; even "strategic voting" couldn't bring NDP % significantly down
ST P: targetable w/a "Paul Summerville" strategy *ahem*
SARNIA-L: surprisingly targetable; rare case of NDP ahead of Lib for 2nd
SSM: incumbent, but never one with a strong lead
SCARB-AG: weakest NDP in Scarberia; but ethnicity = "potential"
SCARB CEN: surprisingly good '08 result (15%+) means, should be targetable according to "Scarborough strategy"
SCARB-GW: targetable through parameters set provincially in '07
SCARB-RR: another '08 surprise; worth pursuing a la Etob N
SCARB-SW: strongest NDP history in Scarb; therefore targetable
SIMC-GREY: no hope; maybe second
SIMC N: no hope; maybe second if Penetang makes a big shift
SDG: no hope
SUDBURY: incumbent; most vulnerable
THORNHILL: no hope
TBA/TBN: incumbents
TJB: incumbent
TOR CEN: took step from targetability back to no-hopedom last time--unnecessarily so
TOR-DAN: incumbent; but even Jack should warch his back
TRIN-SPA: incumbent; but vulnerable w/changing demos
VAUGHAN: no hope
WELLAND: vulnerable incumbent
WEL-HH: no hope
WHITBY-OSH: who knows; hope for 2nd
WILLOWD: no hope
WIND-TEC: incumbent
WIND W: incumbent
YORK CEN: no hope
YORK-SIMC: most hope of any Simcoe-York Region seats--but that's on the grade
YORK S-W: target
YORK W: a targetable sleeper