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[edited out dumb attempt at joke - I guess what I really wanted to express was gratification that we're really all on the same side of these issues]
Wow, I can't tell you how great it is to see this. Yupe!
I know writer. It's hard, on me and you as I know we have shared common experiences.
Unionist, why attack? Why not at least show that you have read these abuse stories? How about showing some compassion? How about showing that there are men out there who find the behaviour of men like I decribed above as abhorrent? I would like to see the male outrage, yet see nothing at all from males short of picking on us in a mocking way, which is not being an ally, it is being dismissive through silence. I have always respected you, but I would like to hear anyone, any male, speak out about this abuse. It is extremely hard to post this on a forum, and it took a lot of guts, and personally I expected some compassion for the young girl I mentioned above. Intsead there is silence from every single male who has posted thus far.
Lots of jokes over nothing I see as funny whatsoever.
Most men didn't, but to give credit where it is due Unionist did acknowledge the harm and that he had never experienced anything like that.
But, I too would like to see more widespread acknowledgement by men.
Although unionist wasn't entirely silent, you are right. Although occasional words of sympathy are offered the outrage always seems to be expressed by women.
Yes, Stargazer, our pain is real. Those who haven't lived it, breathed it ... I don't know what to say.
However, I think Infosaturated started with some humour, and Unionist made an attempt to play, too. I don't think it was meant as an attack. I think there is a powerful chance for sympathy and understanding, here. It would be a shame if this moment were lost.
It's time to go deep.
You're right. Unionist did display good intentions. I just find the silence from people on what happened to the young girl very odd and it's not a comfortable feeling. Until men get as outraged as we do, and until they really start to "get it" I guess things will never change. And that makes me very very sad for humankind.
We cross posted! Yes I know unionist was well intentioned, and he is one whom I respect deeply. I didn't mean to offend him and I realize that a lot of my anger is from being triggered and just this massive feeling of being powerless. I really want to help this girl, and don't really know how to get through to her.
I have been silent, because of my inability to cope with the rage, dispair, triggering and anything I have gone to write was a incoherent rant.
Stargazer, I applaud you for your ability to rise up and help this young woman, when it must have been a tremendous trigger. I am not sure if I could have at this point in my life.
Thanks so much Stargazer, InfoS, writer, and remind for your posts. I'm a bit overcome by all this and don't know what to say, for a change. I'm still learning.
I'm so happy this all happened. It's exactly what a progressive board should be able to do. Chew a subject to death until we can understand one another's perspective.
I copied the information from that last link and put it in my newly created feminist folder under "age of consent" just in case we get back into this someday.
In the movie Forest Gump the woman goes back to the cabin/house where she was raised and burns it down. I exclaimed "Yes, I wish I could do that!" I was cheering her on. I said it with such vehemence that my male companion was rather shocked. I said it was cathartic to burn down a house of misery. He knew a bit about my past but was surprised at how strong my feelings still were.
These feelings never go away, at least not for me.
I almost jumped out of my seat with joy during the confrontation scene of The Celebration. Held myself back, but whooped very loudly.
Those feelings never go away, at least not for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imDBK1gW3gI
(Could be very disturbing for some - involves discussion of suicide and incest.)