The Iranian Election and Its Aftermath By: NDPP (111 replies) July 23, 2009 - 1:03amSigh. Its not about you By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 11:02pm) Heh. I spent the better part By: Cueball (Jul 28 2009 - 10:47pm) I gave it as example to show By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 10:25pm) Redburn discovers Zizek By: Cueball (Jul 28 2009 - 10:27pm) Heres another socialists By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 7:55pm) Debate: How Should By: M. Spector (Jul 28 2009 - 2:33pm) Where Should the Iranian By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 27 2009 - 1:53am) For good. By: Michelle (Jul 26 2009 - 11:03pm) Peech has gone on By: Maysie (Jul 26 2009 - 9:05pm) http://site.iranlabor.com/
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Those who challenge the state know differently. This is a country where the Prime Minister invoked martial law in order to quell the threat of Quebec nationalism when two minor officials were kidnapped by a small revolutionary clique. Where the RCMP actively sent agent provocateurs into the midst of opposition groups to discredit them, buying dynamite to trump up evidence against people, burning down barns to prevent political meetings from taking place, stolen the membership lists of legal democratic parties, and when this was discovered, they held an inquirey and founded a new organization to do the same kinds of contelipro opreations, legaly. They called it CSIS, the very same CSIS that aided an abetted the torture of a teenager in Guantanmo Bay, and is "scolded" for doing so. A country where a police officer shoots a native activist and is given two years of community service for criminal negligence. And that is just here.
I do not subscribe to a black and white picture and do not paint a rosy picture of the situation in the west; the Vancouver airport incident for example is as bad as any similar incident in Iran. However the comparison you are giving in the above, especially the examples you gave, is like garden party comparing to the situation in Iran and many other third world countries. The scope and magnitude of it is perhaps beynd comprehension of an average Canadian. Let's compare:
1. Canada: Stealing membership lists of political parties
Iran: Mass arrest of top exectives of the two legal parties that challenged Ahmadinejad in election. Most of them have not been heard from since the election.
2. Canada: Officer gets two years of community service for shooting a antive protester
Iran: No one has ever been brought to justice for any of the murders in police custody: from Zahra Kazemi and Zahra Bani-yaghoub in previous years to more than 30 who have been confirmed dead in police custody after this election.
3. Canada: CSIS gets scolded for its activities
Iran: 25 newspapers get shut down over night for "crimes" ranged from suggesting that a specific trial was unfair, to "insulting" an official by linking him to murder of a journalist. Not even "scolding".
4. Canada: An inquiry leads to another ineffective organization
Iran: What is an inquiry?
I can continue the list, but no doubt you know it as much as I do. This is not a "West is paradise and Iran is hell" argument. Just the fact that even thinking that a Canadian activist has to face the same level of problems that an Iranian or other third world activist has to, requires a huge deal of fantasy.