Erik Redburn
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Joined: Feb 26 2004

CB:  "Look, the point here is that we are looking at the larger scale aspects of "systems", and trying to determine their net effect in terms of real democracy and freedom from corruption."

First things first, stop telling others what "the point is here", thats only a matter of your opinion and one in which is not always clear in your case given your constant shifting of the grounds.  Most people left of centre have a clear idea that it isn't Islamic authoritarianism versus Liberal Democracy, for the simple reason that most everyone knows we no longer live in a Liberal Democracy.  It has become significantly less on both counts since the neo-cons manipulated their way to power, and of course was always less than perfect.  Most do however recognise that Iran may still be significantly worse most ways, and certaintly not any alternative that anyone here would prefer to live under.   Its nice to see you basically admit that you think that you are defending their "system", even if you will of course try to deny it and obfuscate. 

CB:

"So when I say something like that, its a "ploy to divert attention" but when Zizek says something like that its fair criticism. Hah! Now there is this bit about "foreign manipulation"."

Huh?  Something like what?  Didn't I just tell you that my quoting this wasn't necessarily in agreement with everything he said but only to showe some difference of opinion on the subject on the militant left?  Why yes, yes I did.  Now perhaps if you were more clear on just which passage I was supposed to be in contradiction of and with who I can better understand why you trying to turn this too around on me, other than your usual childish need to one up the other. 

It should have been obvious that I was looking to disengage on that post, in fact I said so quite plainly, but since you seem to want to raise more isues with me I'll promise you I get back to you soon on this whole subject, as you so obviously want to do, but first I'd rather engage with others and read a few less contentious threads.  But in answer to you other I will say that yes, yes you Are supporting dictatorial regimes,as you have done quite persistently over the years, what your AIm is for doing so may not necessaily be a love of dictorial regime itself and I seriously doubt youd prefer to live there yourself, but that is in effect what you are doing yes.  I hope that helps at least a bit.


The Iranian Election and Its Aftermath By: NDPP (111 replies) July 23, 2009 - 1:03am
  • Sigh.  Its not about you By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 11:02pm)
  • Heh. I spent the better part By: Cueball (Jul 28 2009 - 10:47pm)
  • I gave it as example to show By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 10:25pm)
  • Redburn discovers Zizek By: Cueball (Jul 28 2009 - 10:27pm)
  • Heres another socialists By: Erik Redburn (Jul 28 2009 - 7:55pm)
  • Debate: How Should By: M. Spector (Jul 28 2009 - 2:33pm)
  • Where Should the Iranian By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 27 2009 - 1:53am)
  • For good. By: Michelle (Jul 26 2009 - 11:03pm)
  • Peech has gone on By: Maysie (Jul 26 2009 - 9:05pm)
  • http://site.iranlabor.com/ St By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 26 2009 - 8:58am)
  • Not really, apparently if By: Cueball (Jul 25 2009 - 7:33pm)
  • Cue: Don't you know world By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 7:25pm)
  • Peech wrote: Galvin and By: Cueball (Jul 25 2009 - 7:28pm)
  • The benign entity By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 7:24pm)
  • Forgot this gem of perverse By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 7:17pm)
  • Ignorance is By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 7:13pm)
  • I do recall someone claiming By: sanizadeh (Jul 25 2009 - 6:34pm)
  • Peech wrote: I don't know if By: contrarianna (Jul 25 2009 - 6:33pm)
  • Peech wrote:... many  on By: Unionist (Jul 25 2009 - 6:08pm)
  • Contrariannna: I don't know By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 5:47pm)
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  • As does mine. Peech By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 4:24pm)
  • Unless you are Terry By: contrarianna (Jul 25 2009 - 3:58pm)
  • contrarianna wrote: I'm not By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 3:56pm)
  • I'm not sure why this troll By: contrarianna (Jul 25 2009 - 3:14pm)
  • Riding the "Green Wave" at By: Brendan Stone (Jul 25 2009 - 2:54pm)
  • NoDifferencePartyPooper By: Peech (Jul 25 2009 - 2:36pm)
  • Our Role in Containing Iran By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 25 2009 - 12:17pm)
  • Iranian Security Police By: Cueball (Jul 25 2009 - 8:48am)
  • Nuclear Iran Wouldn't Pose By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 25 2009 - 2:53am)
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  • New Great Game Revisited: By: NoDifferencePartyPooper (Jul 24 2009 - 8:26am)
  • Think maybe I will go to By: Cueball (Jul 23 2009 - 6:01pm)
  • Re: The Iranian Election and Its Aftermath By: sanizadeh (Jul 23 2009 - 5:03pm)
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