Ken Burch
rabble-rouser-supreme
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Joined: Feb 26 2005

Stockholm wrote:

The NDP already has to fight against a stereotype that its made up of slackers and pie in the sky flower children with supposedly impracticle ideas etc... incidents like the Larsen kefuffle play into that image - therefore it does a lot more damage. If Larsen had been a Tory who was forced out - it wouldn't have done so much damage to them because whatever negative stereotypes people have about Tories - they don't involve thinking that the party is full of pot smoking flower children. Its more of a problem for the Tories if a candidate of theirs was once a white suprmacist!

No matter what the NDP does, it's NEVER going to be able to "out square" the Tories and the Liberals.  And as New Labour shows, once you've made an obsessive effort to be as uptight as the right, you're not going to be able to do anything in power that's worth doing.  New Labour did a few tiny increments on education and social welfare, but they were trivial compared to the war Tony got them into just to prove that, in the words of the Billy Bragg song "we don't like peace campaigners 'round here".  The law and order vote will always be anti-NDP and there's no good reason to even TRY to get it.


The only way to deal with attacks on your supporters for being too activist, too idealist, too "pie in the sky", is to actually DEFEND activists and idealists and to defend the idea that people like that are as valid and as important in politics as any Liberal fundraiser or Tory investment banker.  If you DEFEND your base, you can win.

I"m sure even you, Stock, would agree that it could never be worth having a federal NDP government if the party had to go Blairite to get it, and that it would automatically morally disqualify an NDP government from calling itself an NDP government if it ever involved itself in anything remotely like the Iraq War or sending people to Gitmo.


Dana's NDP Convention Report By: Dana Larsen (105 replies) August 25, 2009 - 2:54am
  • Coyote wrote: Extreme By: Unionist (Aug 25 2009 - 6:11pm)
  • I think all people should be By: kropotkin1951 (Aug 25 2009 - 6:10pm)
  • Ken Burch wrote: And is that By: Pogo (Aug 25 2009 - 6:09pm)
  • I was talking about the By: Ken Burch (Aug 25 2009 - 6:03pm)
  • Honestly, Coyote, whatever By: Catchfire (Aug 25 2009 - 6:00pm)
  • Extreme hostility? From By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 5:54pm)
  • As an outsider, I'd have to By: Ken Burch (Aug 25 2009 - 5:51pm)
  • Dana, I have no clue how you By: Unionist (Aug 25 2009 - 5:41pm)
  • Dana, thank you for your By: ennir (Aug 25 2009 - 4:36pm)
  • Re: Dana's NDP Convention Report By: Dana Larsen (Aug 25 2009 - 3:14pm)
  • I've watched COPS a couple By: Polunatic2 (Aug 25 2009 - 1:52pm)
  • He states that he was not By: remind (Aug 25 2009 - 1:49pm)
  • You seriously think it is By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 1:39pm)
  • Quote:I know this much: I By: Dana Larsen (Aug 25 2009 - 1:30pm)
  • M. Spector wrote: Some By: Unionist (Aug 25 2009 - 1:25pm)
  • Dana explaining the videos By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 12:56pm)
  • Have you looked at his By: remind (Aug 25 2009 - 12:40pm)
  • I am singling out for By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 12:13pm)
  • You are obviously singling By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 12:06pm)
  • I think it is obvious that By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 11:34am)
  • But you haven't explained By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 11:12am)
  • I'm saying that I would want By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 11:04am)
  • Are you suggesting that Dana By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 10:53am)
  • SO not what i meant. I mean By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 10:44am)
  • Coyote wrote: I know this By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 10:37am)
  • Dana Larsen wrote:The NDP is By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 10:35am)
  • I know this much: I would By: Coyote (Aug 25 2009 - 10:33am)
  • Brad Lavigne By: M. Spector (Aug 25 2009 - 10:26am)
  • Thanks for the report Dana, By: remind (Aug 25 2009 - 10:16am)
  • thanks Unionist - what I By: janfromthebruce (Aug 25 2009 - 9:55am)
  • The snipets of debate I By: Caissa (Aug 25 2009 - 8:34am)
  • Quote:13. A motion may be By: Unionist (Aug 25 2009 - 8:26am)
  • And to be the "devil's By: janfromthebruce (Aug 25 2009 - 8:05am)
  • Thank you so much for this By: Unionist (Aug 25 2009 - 7:36am)
  • Re: Dana's NDP Convention Report By: Dana Larsen (Aug 25 2009 - 3:16am)