Noam Chomsky in Venezuela: 'A better world is being created' By: derrick (17 replies) August 28, 2009 - 11:33am
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What a lot of steaming dung pouring forth from people who think they know something about Chavez' Venezuela, or socialism. All of it direct from the propaganda department of the totalitarian system they don't even acknowledge dominates their land. Chavez is NOT a dictator. That is a very simple, non negotiable fact. He was elected, has been re-elected and after a US sponsored coup, was forcibly put back in power BY THE PEOPLE, in the most singular example of pure people power in modern history.
Despite asking for the removal of term limits, something MANY Venezuelans would welcome in his case; the idea was rejected and he is expected to stand down when his term is up. He has kept his word on every other thing he has said, so the idea that anybody from any of our corrupted, sad "Dumbocracies" where a politician's word isn't worth crap, would try to scoff at that, is also absurd. When was the last time you got a referendum about a serious issue and had your president accept the result? It happens regularly in Venezuela now, and can happen at the people’s request. Have you got that right have you sunshiny ones? Have any of us? Except Switzerland, NO!
I joined this site, because I felt that the level of pure unadulterated ignorance being spouted was simply too much to ignore with a few words in response. You yanks who quiver in your beds, at the thought of socialism, because your dumbed down education system never got far enough to teach you the many different forms of political system, you think that equates to communism, which could not be further from the truth. MY country is under socialist government and so too are many European countries now and at other times. ONLY in the USA can people not hear Socialism without hearing Communism, and they can hear neither without thinking dictatorships. The following may serve as a learning aid, to any who can read that many words. I will not be following up, I have far too much experience of jousting with clowns to want to start in this circus.
The US alone endangers global stability, world peace and the planet's survival. It alone wages permanent war, targets peaceful nations, and claims a unilateral right to use first strike nuclear weapons pre-emptively. It also has over 800 military bases (perhaps 1000 or more with secret ones) in 130 or more countries, hundreds more at home, and still more troops deployed in other countries throughout the world. It further spends more on its military than all other nations combined. It uses it aggressively, supports Israeli repression against Palestinians, assassinates foreign leaders, installs more "friendly" ones, and backs despots like Colombia's Uribe, Egypt's Mubarak, the Saudi royal family, Mexico's Calderon, and various installed stooges like Afghanistan's Karzai and Iraq's al-Maliki.
America ranks lowest on peace. It keeps sinking lower. It alone threatens planetary survival.
Under Chavez in contrast, Venezuela's record is envious. It embraces its neighbours, offers no-strings aid, and engages in mutually beneficial trade, political relations, and other alliances; it also:
-- assassinates no other leaders;
-- doesn't seek regime changes abroad;
-- has no nuclear weapons and seeks none; and
-- spends less than one-half of one percent of the Pentagon's (grossly understated) military budget (around $1 to $2 billion) and less half of that, in fact, of America's total defence spending - in FY 2008: a conservatively estimated $1.1 trillion with all military, homeland security, veterans, NASA, debt service and miscellaneous related allocations included; according to Chalmers Johnson, it's not only "morally obscene," it's "fiscally unsustainable" and is heading the nation for probable "insolvency and (the world for) a long depression," or potentially worse.
-- In addition, Venezuela doesn't export weapons to neighbours or incite conflict; in contrast, America is the world's leading arms and munitions supplier by far - and to many belligerent states with disturbing records of using them internally and/or against neighbours; Colombia, Mexico, Pakistan, Ethiopia and Israel to cite five;
-- Chavez is socially responsible at home; -- doesn't practice torture;
-- has no secret prisons;
-- threatens no other nation; -- wages no wars;
-- is a model democracy;
-- governs peacefully; -- supports human rights and social justice; -- affirms free speech; -- bans discrimination; and
-- uses his resources responsibly - for his people, yet is friendly to business as well. He's earned world class stature and immense popularity at home as a result. Under George Bush in contrast, America was feared and hated worldwide and despite an initial hope of change, Obama is quickly being recognised as what he is, more of the same.. Growing numbers don't trust him at home either, and it shows in his polls.
Instead of spewing venom and hatred back at me, for I will be long gone, I suggest you geniuses do a bit of research, and see if anything I have written here is false. I can humbly promise you, it is, every last detail.
Methinks you yanks would do better to look more closely at your own president, if you worry about Communism, and then you might want to consider the usual suspects, "they who must not be named" who control the USA through lobby and media ownership, because they tend to end up bring about the destruction and descent into communism as they pull out the last of their chips as a rule too, and it looks a bit like they might be planning to up anchor again about now. I see a lot of them in China these days, carefully shoring up old and new alliances and making a bed for themselves to retire to as the old host is left to die. China was never a Communist country at heart and I predict that creed will gradually disappear, probably fairly bloodlessly over the next decade or two. I sometimes wonder if China might not have been almost been kept in cold storage, against the day they were wanted as a new host.
One thing is certain, I think. The USA is not going to solve its problems by making more wars, not even closer to home this time. They have been trying that approach now for more than sixty years and it doesn’t seem to be working out so well for you, now does it? Why not pull your troops home and stop with the 800 bases and the endless threats and intimidation, and see if the world doesn’t soon start liking you again, and if that in itself doesn’t lead to an economic upswing? The day when the USA had any example for anybody else is long past and you need to wake up to that. Chavez makes all of our leaders look like crap, and what he is doing in Venezuela is a light in a long dark tunnel for humanity, PLEASE stop trying to snuff out that tiny light!