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Students Sent Home for Wearing "Islam is of the Devil" t-shirts to school

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Ken Burch
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Weltschmerz wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Rexdale_Punjabi wrote:

SparkyOne wrote:

Oh free speech.

I wonder if students wore a shirt saying fuck jesus if they would get sent home or thy would be pat on the head for expressing free speech.

really? How do u insult someone who never existed?

For that matter, how do you fuck him?

Metaphysically?

Would you need to use a conundrum?


Call me Dave
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Free speech...  now there is something that has been in the news lately!

I suppose these folks have every right to make up t-shirts that say "Islam is from the Devil", and I would also support the right of people to print offensive things about Christians., I am a big proponant of freedom of expression. 

I fully support the school on this one though, rules need to be set in order to keep the learning environment orderly and comfortable for everyone. 

I fail to understand what Dove Outreach is trying to accomplish with this particular campaign though.  Any message delivered harshly and unlovingly is bound to fail and this one is definately designed to start Christian vs Muslim death match!  The pastor there needs to give his head a shake!


Makwa
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Weltschmerz wrote:

I've always been against uniforms, but I admit my reaction is more an emotional than intellectual one.  So I'd be interested to hear the reasons behind this belief.

The so called 'freedom' to wear ones private choice of clothing while participating in an institutional setting is merely a means whereby the more elite can demonstrate class status, and while the majority are sucked into opressive, objectified so-called 'fashion' demonstrations.  It is the source of great pressure on parents of limited means to supply children with expensive, developing world produced commodities, as well as the source of great unhappiness in young people who can't fit with current style 'choices'.  Morover, one should wear ones 'transgressive' apparel appropriately in ones neighbourhood.  Most of youth so-called 'style' is capitalist commodified, developing world exploitative bullshit, and rarely truly reflects our genuine histories and cultures.  Uniform is a freedom from such commodification, and at best, a positive identification with an institution which should be embraced and celebrated by those who participate.

PS: I should come clean - I hated fashion trends so much in high school, I eventually took to wearing a tie, vest, dress pants and shoes, leather trenchcoat and fedora. Perhaps I wanted to challenge the popular image of aboriginal youth. Needless to say, I had few friends.  Make of it as you will.


Call me Dave
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Unfortunately, uniforms from the school are often quite a bit more expensive than clothes from the local big box store... 

A uniform policy might make it even more difficult for low income parents to cope.  Especially the first year before any used uniforms become available.

 


Makwa
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Call me Dave wrote:

Unfortunately, uniforms from the school are often quite a bit more expensive than clothes from the local big box store... 

A uniform policy might make it even more difficult for low income parents to cope.  Especially the first year before any used uniforms become available.

 

As parents from the UK and Jamaica have observed to me, a set of two to four uniforms is much cheaper than a year's worth of popular clothing, and seconds or public school discounts are almost always available.


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Makwa wrote:

PS: I should come clean - I hated fashion trends so much in high school, I eventually took to wearing a tie, vest, dress pants and shoes, leather trenchcoat and fedora. Perhaps I wanted to challenge the popular image of aboriginal youth. Needless to say, I had few friends.  Make of it as you will.

What I make of it is a strong personal sense of fashion, you old clotheshorse, you.


Ken Burch
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Makwa wrote:

Weltschmerz wrote:

I've always been against uniforms, but I admit my reaction is more an emotional than intellectual one.  So I'd be interested to hear the reasons behind this belief.

The so called 'freedom' to wear ones private choice of clothing while participating in an institutional setting is merely a means whereby the more elite can demonstrate class status, and while the majority are sucked into opressive, objectified so-called 'fashion' demonstrations.  It is the source of great pressure on parents of limited means to supply children with expensive, developing world produced commodities, as well as the source of great unhappiness in young people who can't fit with current style 'choices'.  Morover, one should wear ones 'transgressive' apparel appropriately in ones neighbourhood.  Most of youth so-called 'style' is capitalist commodified, developing world exploitative bullshit, and rarely truly reflects our genuine histories and cultures.  Uniform is a freedom from such commodification, and at best, a positive identification with an institution which should be embraced and celebrated by those who participate.

PS: I should come clean - I hated fashion trends so much in high school, I eventually took to wearing a tie, vest, dress pants and shoes, leather trenchcoat and fedora. Perhaps I wanted to challenge the popular image of aboriginal youth. Needless to say, I had few friends.  Make of it as you will.

What would you say to the argument that uniforms stifle creativity and individuality(and, in many school systems, are required for precisely that purpose)?  Is it possible to dress exactly like everyone else and still be yourself?

In asking this question, I mean no attack on your decision to dress as you did, Makwa.  I respect that choice.  But that's the opposite of having to wear a uniform.


Pogo
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I vote for uniforms.  If I have to choose geographically, Ontario first.


Weltschmerz
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I have never been one for the popular styles, and much of my clothing growing up was hand-me-downs from my brother.  In later high school, I discovered thrift stores, and started buying the bulk of my clothes (including my prom outfit) from there.  Like you Makwa, I arleady knew I didn't fit in, so I decided my clothing would be a statement (of rebellion if not celebration) rather than trying to fit in and failing.

My son's going into Grade 4, and we've already encountered the peer pressure for the "cool" clothes.  Currently, we have no problem simply saying "That's nice.  No, you can't have that."  We'll see if my perception changes as my son progresses through school.


M. Spector
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Makwa wrote:

The so called 'freedom' to wear ones private choice of clothing while participating in an institutional setting is merely a means whereby the more elite can demonstrate class status, and while the majority are sucked into opressive, objectified so-called 'fashion' demonstrations.

So you would eliminate this "so-called freedom" by dictating to everyone how they will dress.

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It is the source of great pressure on parents of limited means to supply children with expensive, developing world produced commodities, as well as the source of great unhappiness in young people who can't fit with current style 'choices'.

School uniforms are also often expensive and made in the "developing world". They cause great unhappiness in young people who can't wear clothing that is in keeping with their cultural or religious heritage.

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Most of youth so-called 'style' is capitalist commodified, developing world exploitative bullshit, and rarely truly reflects our genuine histories and cultures. Uniform is a freedom from such commodification, and at best, a positive identification with an institution which should be embraced and celebrated by those who participate.

Yeah, the good ol' school uniform really reflects our histories and cultures, frees us from commodification, and allows us to proudly embrace and celebrate that wonderful alma mater that stands as a bulwark against capitalist commodification, enforced conformity, and the exploitation of the developing world.

On which planet?


Makwa
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In my experience, school uniforms are usually locally made, as they tend to be of specialized design. In fact, I recall one factory on Adelaide near Spadina.  I don`t know if it is still in operation, but it seemed pretty busy a few years ago.  The 'history' is generally developed within the institutional history, thus perhaps reflects the dominant political culture.  I can accept that, given the alternative submission to capitalist trends.  I happen to embrace the ideal of "alma mater", and scholarly culture and pursuit, and wish that more young people would take pride in their institutional academic achievement, particularly among FN and POC.  The 'freedom' to capitulate to capitalist branding and fake commodified rebellion doesn't interest me. Freedom is in the mind, not the low cut tee or jeans or the brand on your t-shirt. Modification can be incorporated for religious or cultural design, such as a head scarf which could reflect school colours.


mahmoud
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Makwa wrote:

I have always believed that all public schools in Ontario should have uniforms.

 

agreed, and no religious attire, such as burkas and head caps

anything that could be  a distraction to learning and cause segregation is bad


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