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CMOT Dibbler
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If I wuz you, CMOT, I'd go to university, but take a pragmatic approach.  Take courses that open doors in the direction you want to explore.

 

Well,  it should be  understood  that  I couldn't have  attended University  using  traditional  academic  channels  anyway,  I don't  have the math.  There  are post secondry programs  out there  for  people  who haven't  had  conventional  highschool educations,  but  they  aren't  particularly  well  advertised You need  to dig,  and have boring meetings in  tiny  overheated rooms  with  middle-aged  underpaid civil servants in order to find them.  In  high schools across  this  great northern  wasteland  of  a  country,  their  are posters asking  the white  privileged  non impaired elite to join those in the halls  of higher  learning.  The state never  asked me to do  likewise,  however. 


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al-Qa'bong
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Well,  it should be  understood  that  I couldn't have  attended University  using  traditional  academic  channels  anyway,  I don't  have the math.

 

That sounds like a cop-out to me. I passed high school algebra with but one mark to spare (that's 51% for the numerically challenged), and didn't have to take any math courses in university. Maybe entrance requirements are more rigorous today.

 

Even so, there are other options. The place where I work boasts how its online learning programs make it easy for someone to take postsecondary programs.


CMOT Dibbler
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Well...Embarassed

I did actually take six courses of a ten course General studies certificate through the Open University, but the last course I took was a second-year course on European history, and while I found it all very interesting,

I did find it quite heavy, and my mom ended up doing a fair share of the work just to get me through. After that I quit. My mom is worried that if I tackle university level courses head on (with homework, studying etc.) she would end up doing a lot of the work. The most obvious alternative is to audit classes(no homework! Woo hoo!) but here, there really isn't anything to audit, unless you want to audit a gun safety course or spend two months in "Spanish for Travelers" learning to say "hello" and "where's the bathroom."

The College of the Rockies does good work, but it just doesen't have much I'm interested in.

  I  wouldn't  be in it just for raw academics  anyway.    

This  is  what  the  government  agencies  don't  get.  Distance education  is presented as an  academic  panacea,  but  there are social  aspects  to education  that the bigwigs  don't see,  and  that correspondence  courses can't  duplicate. 

 

At one point I  did  try to  get  into  a job training  at mount royal  college, but  the  woman  who interviewed  me scared  the living shit out of  me  by saying that  I wouldn't get the  holidays  I was  used to,  and that I would  have to navigate  Calgary myself  when  trying to get to the  campus (a prospect  that  causes many normies to turn chalk white, howl  and faint)  it was a very  bad experience.  This  happened  about seven  years  ago,  I've since crossed   that option off my life list.  For a society that talks so much about education, and finding jobs for people, we really do suck at providing both.  Unless of course you happen to be young, white, able-bodied and affluent.

 

 

 


al-Qa'bong
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This  is  what  the  government  agencies  don't  get.  Distance education  is presented as an  academic  panacea,  but  there are social  aspects  to education  that the bigwigs  don't see,  and  that correspondence  courses can't  duplicate. 

 

I hear ya.

 

Every year I get to be a "facilitator" for online courses. As someone who has been in that role, as well as that of a student using a computer instead of being face to face with a human being, allus I can say is that I really detest this method of education.

 

 


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In  B. C. There's  a really cool  program  called  Canasist which I believe  operates  out of UVic,  and  builds  assistive devices  for people  with  disabilities.  You  would  think the B.  C.  Government   would   shout from the rooftops: WE HAVE THIS  PROGRAM!  IT'S BRILLIANT!  But when my acheieve counsilor mentioned it,  I hadn't  even heard a whisper about  it.  Most privilaged able bodies  know what avenues  to take  for education,  but I think for many  gimps (and others who float on the arc of the excluded) that isn't the case.  There  are lots  of  neat and  useful  programs  out there,  but the aren't publicized enough.  Maybe  if I lived  in the lower mainland,  I would  hear  about this stuff sooner.    


al-Qa'bong
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This might not be of any use to you, but...

 

http://www.siast.sk.ca/distance/


Caissa
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I have taught at distance in an Education Program and been a student via distance in Cambrian's Learning Disability Specialist program. I found both experiences highly social although I have never met any of the other students at Cambrian.

Most universities will accept mature students as part-time students with fewer requirements than they ask for from students straight out of high school. It's a recognition of the value of life experience. What do you want to study CMOT?


Michelle
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Yeah, I only did up to grade 10 math, but I was still able to go to university, CMOT.  Don't let that hold you back if university is what you want to do!


Fidel
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I would advise CMOT_D to try and pick an area of study that he feels passionately about, otherwise boredom could set in at some point, and then it becomes more toil and labour than love of study. Don't be so quick to rule out mathematics, because it's one area of study where no one can help you much except yourself. It's truly an individual effort and would be your own proving ground. And there are other degrees of study to prove yourself, and that you are able to teach yourself to learn how to learn. Many great and wonderful people started out with a liberal arts degree and very little math background. You want both sides of the coin so to speak with higher education, and to enrich your mind with a wide variety of courses from as many disciplines as possible. Higher ed is merely an introduction to the rest of your life, and it could be one of the best experiences of your life time. And I really think that interest and passion is the key to doing well. Wait a year or two if you have to in order to find the passion and desire.


CMOT Dibbler
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Most universities will accept mature students as part-time students with fewer requirements than they ask for from students straight out of high school. It's a recognition of the value of life experience. What do you want to study CMOT?

 

 

 

Theology  and  women's studies. Embarassed

 

(I'd  take the material seriously,  really  I would!)

 


CMOT Dibbler
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and maybe disability studies.


CMOT Dibbler
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I am a  white  man.  This  allows me  certain  privileges (no one  will  throw  rocks  at me,  although  some  probably  want to).  It's  not  politically  correct to  deport me,  or harass my  family,  or  tell me I'm a burden ( although  if I were  developmentally disabled they would feel  safe about doing  so).  The  fact is however,  the state  and the greater society,  don't give a good  god damn whether  I exist or not.  We are inconvienient,  stumbling  blocks on the  way to a mythical society  without  death and decrepitude.  Canadian society really  wants  me dead. 


CMOT Dibbler
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sorry


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Actually,  what  I wrote  last  night  was partially  bullshit.  I have  received  a lot of  love  and  support from the  people  here,  and  it's  not  fair to  condemn  them.  But  when  all  is said  and done,  people  with  disabilities don't  support  the Capitalist  system(we don't  earn  enough)  and while  the  shield  of  ethnicity,  class and  mental  ability  protects me  from  the more  vicious  manifestations  of ableism, the fact  remains that if  there  is a massive  shift  in our economic  fortunes, all gimps,  white or brown,  will be dragged off  to  death camps and  murdered. 


martin dufresne
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Maybe...  hell, look at how we are still collectively denying the plight of the people who already get dragged off and murdered every week from our streets.

But you could want to look at the situation another way: how can such a view be affecting your self-image, agency and interactions with non-gimps now?

That move sounds exciting - fo you have a date yet? We're all rooting for ya!


RevolutionPlease
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Don't be sorry for #11 CMOT Dibbler, we hear you.  Thanks for posting it.  I'm sorry I can't be of more help than that at the moment.


CMOT Dibbler
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Please note that by "our economic fortunes" I meant Canada's economic fortunes.


CMOT Dibbler
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That move sounds exciting - fo you have a date yet? We're all rooting for ya!

 

No. I don't have a date yet. The lady who oversees Steveston Residence has  recieved my application, now it's just a matter of waiting.


CMOT Dibbler
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But you could want to look at the situation another way: how can such a view be affecting your self-image, agency and interactions with non-gimps now?

You know, it's odd that I would talk about oppression because if you look at my life, there isn't really a lot to gripe about, and there have been cases where I have taken on the role of oppressor.

But there have been several small instances over the last little while that have really pissed me off:

Last night I found out that one of my  workers will finish working for me at the end of November.  The understanding was that he would keep doing his job in december but he couldn't take on more hours.  He didn't tell me about his new plans, he told my mom instead.  Now, my mom is in charge of scheduling, so it makes sense to tell her, but to leave me out of the loop is ridiculous.  I am his employer,  even if I am just a figure head.

The  other thing that has been bothering me has to do with the local Arts station.  It's the most interesting place in town and I would maim myself without it.  The difficulty is that the handicapped accessible walkway is never cleared in the winter.  This means that if I attend a concert in the season of death (winter) I have to use my manual chair and have to be lifted up a series of steps.  I really shouldn't have to be faced with this situation.  I can't lobby by myself.  The Arts Council is poor and my rage over this issue is concerned cute or inconvenient.  I wish I had a Donald Sutherland-esque mentor who could help me shake my anger into something more subtle.  As it stands I just come across as juvenile and pathetic.

 


martin dufresne
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Have you considered threatening to sue? You'd be surprised how quickly a well-worded letter from an attorney and a phone call from authorities can convince slacker administrations to find the few hundred bucks it would take to have that walkway cleared. Not as elegant as a Donald Sutherland glare, but when you feel like Kiefer... give 'em the Jack Bauer treatment!

 


CMOT Dibbler
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give 'em the Jack Bauer treatment!

You mean hold the arts council hostage and scream, WHERE'S THE BOMB!? Every five minutes? Wink

martin dufresne
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That's if you want to clear the room, not the walkway...Wink Seriously, you have got a significant building code violation on your side. Let'em have it from both wheels...


Infosaturated
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CMOT Dibbler wrote:
Now, my mom is in charge of scheduling, so it makes sense to tell her, but to leave me out of the loop is ridiculous.  I am his employer,  even if I am just a figure head....

Why is your mom in charge of scheduling?  You seem perfectly capable of taking that on.  My brother-in-law became a quadraplegic at 19 years old. After his release from the hospital he lived with his parents for several years but then he got his own apartment and has lived independently ever since. He does have use of the upper muscles of his arms but he can't grip anything with his hands. He lives entirely on government support. He didn't get any big insurance settlements. He had someone come in twice a day to help him in and out of bed as well as a nurse 3 times a week. (he is also on his second marriage)  I'm not suggesting you try to duplicate his life choices, I just wanted to point out that you may be able to attain more independence than you think.

It's probably become a habit for your mother to do things for you because it's easier that way but that might also be where a bit of your anger is coming from. 

Maybe you need to consider what your actual goals are. It doesn't seem like your desire to go to university is based on a career objective which is fine. But, it's important to know what it is you value about the experience. For example, is a way to escape the house while also developing intellectually?

Many universities have an office for students with disabilities that could help you out.  You could be considered a full time student while only taking two classes a week which would make you eligible for student aid.

You mention that the Arts Council is poor. Maybe they can't afford to hire anyone to do the task. If there is a bulletin board perhaps a volunteer could be found that would be willing to shovel the walk. Alternately, if a business near by uses a snow blower they might be willing.  A snow-clearing business might also be willing to do the task for free if they have other customers on the same street.


CMOT Dibbler
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 I'm not suggesting you try to duplicate his life choices, I just wanted to point out that you may be able to attain more independence than you think.

It's probably become a habit for your mother to do things for you because it's easier that way but that might also be where a bit of your anger is coming from.

Yes I can, yes she does Yes I think it probably is where it comes from, to an extent

CMOT Dibbler
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Don't be sorry for #11 CMOT Dibbler, we hear you.  Thanks for posting it.  I'm sorry I can't be of more help than that at the moment.

 

 No. I was saying sorry because I made a double post.


CMOT Dibbler
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Maybe...  hell, look at how we are still collectively denying the plight of the people who already get dragged off and murdered every week from our streets.

Martin, I was actually thinking about something a bit more systimatic, similar to what Hitler did to the disabled in the thirties and forties.

CMOT Dibbler
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But then, most people who are extra poor and/ or extra radical will probably be killed in the camps when the final reckoning comes.  Makwa, Oldgoat, Maysae, Michelle and I will probably be bunking together  


CMOT Dibbler
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I'll be in vancouver in January(just for the month) I don't how often I'll be able to update the All Hail threads or Youtube Goodies.  


CMOT Dibbler
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Juvanile rant.


CMOT Dibbler
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Juvanile Rant...


CMOT Dibbler
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Well, ladies and gentleman, I'm taking the plunge and moving to Vancouver.  JARONAMO! 


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