babble-intro-img
babble is rabble.ca's discussion board but it's much more than that: it's an online community for folks who just won't shut up. It's a place to tell each other — and the world — what's up with our work and campaigns.

Economics canna change the laws of physics!

Doug
Offline
Joined: Apr 17 2001

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=does-economics-violate-th

 

The financial crisis and subsequent global recession have led to much soul-searching among economists, the vast majority of whom never saw it coming. But were their assumptions and models wrong only because of minor errors or because today's dominant economic thinking violates the laws of physics?

A small but growing group of academics believe the latter is true, and they are out to prove it. These thinkers say that the neoclassical mantra of constant economic growth is ignoring the world's diminishing supply of energy at humanity's peril, failing to take account of the principle of net energy return on investment. They hope that a set of theories they call "biophysical economics" will improve upon neoclassical theory, or even replace it altogether.

 

It's too bad the article isn't longer because it would be interesting to have more detail on this. Nevertheless, the central criticism is valid. Most economists don't conceive of physical limits to growth.


Comments

M. Spector
Offline
Joined: Feb 19 2005

More on biophysical economics.

The big flaw, of course, is that this "new economics" is predicated on the continued existence of capitalism. Any true biophysical economics that contemplates zero growth is incompatible with an economic system based on private ownership of capital, private appropriation of surplus value, and market-based investment practices.


bagkitty
Offline
Joined: Aug 27 2008

But, but, but... infinite energy is available and can be broadcast wirelessly... haven't you read the bibble according to Ayn Rand??? [and I still think we need a sarcasm font]

 


N.Beltov
Offline
Joined: May 25 2003

Those who subscribe to the neoclassical kool-aid, i.e., the prevailing view in virtually every Economics Department in North America, treat their own science as just like those natural sciences that they admire so much. In fact, the neoclassical priesthood consider Economics to be just like Newtonian mechanics, i.e., Physics and, therefore, could not POSSIBLY violate or change the laws of Physics. If only markets could be allowed to function, unfettered, all would be well ...  Um, well, let's forget about this last crisis shall we? It's the fault of all those poor people getting mortgages and not managing their money properly. Blah blah blah ...

 

Quote:
Behind such arguments lies a certain conception of the economy and society. In the seventeenth century Isaac Newton discovered the laws of the action of forces upon material bodies, known as classical mechanics.1 Just as Newton's mechanics spell out the laws of motion of objects, the reigning school of economics, known as neoclassical economics, imitates Newtonian mechanics to analyze human society.2 It sees each participant in the economy - each worker, peasant, big landowner, capitalist, and so on - as an independent actor. Each one acts on his/her own, striving to get the greatest possible satisfaction (termed his/her ‘utility'). Neoclassical theory claims human beings' actions throughout history have been (and will continue to be) driven by individual, selfish gain. Yet the sum of their strivings, pushing and pulling in different directions, brings about an ‘equilibrium', a state of balance, which yields the greatest sum of ‘utility' possible in the given conditions. (What exactly ‘utility' is, and how, if at all, it is to be compared, measured or added up, was never meaningfully defined.)

In this conception, every participant in the economy is, in a sense, a trader, and the forces driving the actions of all these individuals are fundamentally similar. It portrays each individual - worker, land-owner, industrialist - as possessing some resource: land, capital, or labour, which it calls ‘factors of production'. The worker hires out his labour; the landowner rents out his land; the capitalist gives the use of his capital. Each does so for a price (the price of hiring labour is wages; the price of hiring land is rent; and the price of hiring capital is the rate of interest).

That price, according to the reigning theory, is determined by supply and demand in each market. According to the proportions in which these three factors - land, labour, and capital - are available in a particular society, their prices automaticallyand simultaneouslysettle at some equilibrium which makes full use of all of them. Where capital is scarce and labour plentiful, interest rates would be high and wages low. In that case, it would be attractive to capitalists to employ less capital-intensive methods of production, that is, hire workers rather than buy machines. If any of the three resources lay idle, its price would fall till it was fully absorbed. Full employment is a central assumption of this theory.

However, say the neoclassicals, if prices are kept artificially low or high by outside intervention, all factors might not be employed fully: the gears become sticky, as it were, preventing the machine of the economy from running smoothly. For example, if wages were prevented from falling to ‘equilibrium' level by minimum wage laws, or by trade union action, capitalists would tend to buy machines that replace labour; and so some labour looking for work would remain unemployed. Thus unemployment, according to this theory, is the result of wages not being allowed to sink low enough.3

Price plays the key role in this theory. Price not only signals how much to use of each ‘factor of production', but also how much to produce of each commodity. Every consumer, whether worker, peasant, capitalist, or landlord, whatever his/her income, is driven by the same considerations. Each consumer chooses what to spend on in a way that gives him/her the greatest possible satisfaction (‘utility'). This sends the required signal to the producer on what and how much to produce. When demand for a commodity grows, some consumers would be willing to pay more for it, and its price would rise. The higher price makes it profitable for producers to produce more of the good, and its production rises (with the increased supply, the price then falls, and further adjustments take place up and down till it settles at some equilibrium level). Again, any ‘interference' with market forces is counter-productive: If the price of a good is kept artificially low (eg by price controls), it would deter capitalists from investing in producing that good, and hence it would remain in short supply.

This theory assumes that producers can shift their production seamlessly from one commodity to another. Each producer can adjust the quantity he/she produces. Each consumer too can shift his/her purchases from a given product to a substitute. No producer or consumer (or group of producers/consumers) can directly influence prices, since there is a large number of producers and consumers (if you price your goods higher than others, you will lose customers; if you price them lower, so will others, and you will not gain customers, but lose profits). Only when individuals increase or decrease their production or purchases do they affect prices, indirectly, by changing supply or demand. That is to say, perfect competition is assumed by the theory.

Nor could there ever be a shortage of demand in relation to production. The orthodox theory assumes that all that is left after consumption goes directly or indirectly toward investment. So the whole of income creates demand for what is produced.

The beauty of this theory is that, given the different quantities of land, capital and labour individuals possess, and their demand for different commodities, the laws of supply and demand work to deliver full employment and the maximum ‘utility' possible for consumers in the circumstances automatically. If a change takes place in the conditions - for example, if more land, or labour, or capital, becomes available - the system automatically adjusts its mix of the three to absorb fully all of them. Like a pendulum which, when pushed, rocks back and forth but ultimately comes to rest on its own, the equilibrium, when disturbed, gets restored automatically.

Some aspects of classical theory appeal to us because they correspond to ‘commonsense'. We all know that if something becomes scarce its price goes up. And we also easily accept the notion that people are fundamentally motivated by the desire for individual gain, and that this cannot be changed; after all, is that not what we see around us every day?

The obvious fact is that this theory serves to justify capitalism. It provides a justification for profit and rent - these are presented as just the prices of hiring capital and land. (The problem of where the capitalist's capital come from is not answered; it is assumed that he was thrifty, and saved it up.) And at any rate, whatever the distribution of wealth, unfettered capitalism is shown to maximise the use of resources of society; it maximises utility (whatever that means) in society; every participant in the economy makes individual, voluntary decisions - about how much to work, how to spend, and so on. Innate, immutable human nature (which, in its view, is greedy and selfish) is not suppressed, but harnessed; no section is oppressed, but a harmony of interests is automatically achieved. Any attempt to run counter to this system harms the interest of the whole of society.

Economics as Mechanics.

 


Fidel
Offline
Joined: Apr 29 2004

It's not only an abuse of the physical laws and incompatible with nature in general, mainstream economics is a hostage of private sector economists and big business in general. Finance capitalism has stolen powers of resource allocation from our so-called democratically elected governments(actually it was handed to them). When we still have millions dying of the capitalist economic long and cash crop capitalism every year on-time every time since the terrible 19th and 20th century famines and thirdworld conditions in general, it's a definite sign that something is amiss. Millions of children dying of starvation and diseases related to absolute poverty every year around the capitalist thirdworld is bad arithmetic in an age of computers. Middle class capitalism was a cold war era lie of colossal proportions and should be put out of its misery for all time.


siamdave
Offline
Joined: Sep 2 2005

Actually, modern economics is based on Barnum's great law - a sucker born every minute. And the reason it's theories will never work, and they're always looking for new explanations for things, is that they refuse to (or haven't figured out yet) law number 1 in any capitalist economy - it is based on theft. If you're not going to account for theft and economic coercion, you're just dealing in nonsense. Governments undertake the eocnomic policies they do not because these policies are truly the best things they can think of to do for the benefit of the economy as a whole, but because these policies ensure the continued flow of the wealth created by the people to the eocnomic rulers. And failing to take that into th equations obviously means everything else they come up with is gagaland stuff. Economics by Pollyanna in a perfect we-all-love-each-other world. Put that togeter with the sucker rule, and you really have 'head up the a**' economics. By fools for fools. 


siamdave
Offline
Joined: Sep 2 2005

My. words before the first coffee. Haven't channelled yet.


Pundit
Offline
Joined: Oct 25 2009

Capitalism without growth? Well done! How about laughing without peeing one's self?


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Login or register to post comments