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the donation of dancers wages was negotiated- as a term of a club being priveledged enough to host the event- by the dancers. it is a prerequisite, the dancers are in full control of the event and in spite of your "opinion" or perseption it is extremely empowering for them and they love the event it brings them together as a community, it respects a member of their community who died from breat cancer and it is completely run by, designed by, directed by, promoted by, controlled by the dancers themselves.
negotiated by the dancers......club owners are not involved in decisions around the event but instead go out of their way to meet requirements in order to be awarded the hosting of this prestigous and most successful event.
Susan, I said nothing whatever negative about the dancers. Their charitable program is a wonderful thing to do and I applaud them. You are inventing negative opinions and perceptions out of whole cloth.
My point was: The club owners are actually doing fuck all to help cancer research. Why are they getting praised?
whatever......?i wasn't praising them as much as i was trying make a point that sex industry workers are socially conscious and what is the difference is super models get naked for charity? wy is it automatically deemed exploitative for women to get naked for charity? why can't these women decide for them selves if they feel exploited rather thhat us assuming so just because nudity and women are involved......
it's always nice when you try to make it about something it wasn't- ie club owners....who cares...the point is the choices of women....
Susan, you were the one who praised the club owners, not me.
I don't see anyone praising the owners anywhere in this thread. You said nothing positive about the dancers leaving a deliberately negative impression of the event as exploitive of women. You wove the cloth with your negative opinions and perceptions.
No, what I think is exploitative is that the dancers are making this generous donation but they're sharing accolades with the club owners who do nothing. I'd thank you not to presume to know my opinions or perceptions.
You have again stated your opinion and perception that this was an exploitive event because of "accolades" for club owners. I presumed nothing.
Neither Susan nor anyone else gave any accolades to the club owner. She described the events dynamics and you said it was exploitive because the club owners "get all the praise." I have heard of the event and I have never heard the club owners being praised and I looked carefully through this thread and have seen nothing that praised the owners so IMO we are left with you calling this event exploitive with no foundation for that claim.
Susan gave them equal billing when she first mentioned them in this thread.
I hereby withdraw from this ridiculous argument over such a picayune matter.
We haven't come a long way, baby: exclusion of women from Canada's Criminal Code hate propaganda law
http://www.thefreeradical.ca/
that's terrible. there should be classes about respectful behaiour in schools.
(Thank you for the link, remind. Have been looking for sites like this)
So where do our boys get these attitudes ?
Here is one source.
Much Music, owned by CTVglobemedia.
I am looking for their complaint department.
A Video I am watching right now !
Not an exact quote ,but the last word is clear.
"like a girl you've never seen before...nothin like the neighbourhood whore"
Ladies and Gents this is prime time pop culture.
http://www.thefreeradical.ca/MUSIC1.htm
http://www.thefreeradical.ca/Gangsta_rap_feeds_sexual_violence_in_Toronto_schools.htm
http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/parents/music/inappropriate/negative_effects_music.cfm
Edit to add this link. http://www.cbsc.ca/english/complaint/
Here's a quote Slumberjack posted in this thread:
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/anti-racism-news-and-initiatives/hatred-and-ignorance-hip-hop
http://www.tolerance.org/?id=911
Your welcome thank you for your links, am going to look through them
I love the blues but there are certainly many misogynists in the genre. But then Spike TV is considered part of the MSM. How detrimental to respect for women are most of their programs. Unfortunately I see many young women who accept this cultural misogyny as normal, maybe even more so in the last ten years than in the past.
Let's see, what's on today.
(Much More) Wild'N Out (comedy ???) 5 pm
Content warning, "not suitable for younger audiences"
Interesting that the censors chose to blur the, jumper cable to crotch, moment.
Why ? no kids watching right ?
Acceptable joke sample "what does the women do that just got out of the battered womens shelter....the dishes"
Of course its all in good fun.
Well it's not all bad at MM. Need to hear more from the likes of
Beyonce "If I was a boy" aired at 8:50
Am I on a anti MM crusade.....maybe Yes, until they stop airing "not suitable for younger audiences" after the kiddies come home from school !
AND their censors read the following:
Canadian Association of Broadcasters’ Equitable Portrayal Code
"Equality of the sexes must be recognized and reinforced through the proper use of language and terminology. Broadcasters shall employ language of a non-sexist nature in their programming, by avoiding, whenever possible, expressions which relate to only one gender."
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/epc.php
Yeah, I haven't had cable for years and stuff like this just confirms my decision. That's awful, rework.
They are under attack because I believe women can make this world work. Pie in the sky but eehhh?
Yes, women can make the world work, but we aren't doing a very good job, are we. The mostly white North American and Western European women who, comparatively, occupy positions of relative freedom and and enormous privilege, are too busy hair-pulling and name-calling to address the most important issues at hand.
Sineed brought out some very important stats about women's experience in Eastern Europe, South Asia and Africa. These were ignored in favour of yet another derailment to sex trade work. Enough already. If we can't see the broader picture because we're too busy eating our young, it's no wonder we're floundering.
I'm not suggesting that we, the privileged, shouldn't stand vigilant and be outspoken about violence against women in our own backyards - quite the contrary. But if we don't analyse the divide-and-conquer strategies set forth by the male-dominant mainstream corporate culture, the bombardment of self-hating propaganda that has us at each others' throats from childhood onward, we'll continue to flounder, to be cramped by our experience of personal pain and fail to gain strength through solidarity.
We can't deal with attacks against women until we stop attacking each other.
Woo hoo!!
At the risk of being boring, more stats:
Read more here:
http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/violence_against_women/facts_figures.php
According to Unifem, violence against women is the most pervasive human rights' violation in the world; that studies show 1 in 3 women worldwide have been beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused. The problem is we haven't enough power - we are under-represented in governments, comprising 18.4% of seats in national parliaments.
Any women here thinking of running for office? I wouldn't personally; my diplomatic skills are nascent at best. But some politer babbler women may have political aspirations they haven't exercised.
Anybody?
We need you. All of you. Unite. Fuck the sausage fest @ babble.
sausage fest.......?
it would be great to see better representation for women in gov't., but sadly having women in power isn't a recipe for change if those women aren't progressive, resiliant, and able to avoid the quagmires and pitfalls of participating in an inherently corrupt and self-serving system. There aren't many people - men or women - who can accomplish that and still maintain their integrity.
True; Maggie Thatcher taught all of us that being female doesn't automatically = progressive. I think more women in power, however, is an important 1st step because it means that we can call the shots instead of having to go cap in hand to the guys running things.
A 15-year-old girl was dragged into bushes and raped in Port Coquitlam early Saturday.
Cowardly act?
How about a sick fuck act?
Not only that, she was walking to get away from an other middle aged man in a car that had approached her just prior to her being attacked....right after she got off the bus.
So, the response of course is women staying in and not going anywhere, which encourages other women to feel that is the solution too, so we are punished, while men continue to reep the benefits.....
I have political aspirations I haven't exercised. Working on it.
A Riverview monument built to remember victims of violence has been covered in swastikas and racist slogans.
A city crew from Moncton was in Riverview on Tuesday helping their counterparts clean up the vandalized monument.
The vandalism comes at a symbolic time for the monument as it also commemorates the 14 women who died in the Dec. 6, 1989, massacre at Montreal's École Polytechnique.
There was so much graffiti in industrial-strength paint on the monument that the lettering had to be repainted.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2009/11/25/nb-monument-vand...The media is not doing women and girls any favours either, as I just read a Canadian news report that actually said:
Men do not have "sex" with 13 year old girls, Canadian Press, they are pedophiles raping a child.
Maybe that article was written by Whoopi Goldberg.
Last week there was a brief little story about the women on The View being all scandalized when a guest made a joke about being raped at age 13, and I couldn't help wondering whether Whoopi remembered to ask whether she was referring to "rape" or "rape-rape", but at any rate, getting anyone — starting with Polanski — to take Polanski's crime seriously seems tough.
"they are pedophiles raping a child."
uh no. A pedophile is one that goes for pre-pubescent children, not ones who have attained puberty.
Doesnt make him any less wrong (regardless of the gender of the perpertator so lets not bring out that strawman people) but the term is not correct here
I don't know what the correct term is however.
You're correct Bacchus. The correct term is ephebophilia and no, it doesn't make it less wrong.