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Canada Complicit in TORTURE

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Even the bourgeois press is taking notice. The Conservatives have moved heaven and earth to silence this witness ... without success.

Canada complicit in torture of innocent Afghans, diplomat says (Globe and Mail)


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Tigana
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On 570 News

http://www.570news.com/news/national/more.jsp?content=n175675330

 

Canadian diplomats ordered to hold back information on Afghan prison torture: sources November, 17, 2009 - 08:14 pm Brewster, Murray - (THE CANADIAN PRESS)

OTTAWA - Canadian diplomats in Afghanistan were ordered in 2007 to hold back information in their reports to Ottawa about the handling of the prisoners, say defence and foreign affairs sources.

The instruction - issued soon after allegations of torture by Afghan authorities began appearing in public - was aimed at defusing the explosive human-rights controversy, said sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

There was a fear that graphic reports, even in censored form, could be uncovered by opposition parties and the media through access-to-information laws, leading to revelations that would further erode already-tenuous public support.

The controversy was seen as "detracting from the narrative" the Harper government was trying to weave around the mission, said one official.

"It was meant to put on happy face," he added.

 

 

 


kropotkin1951
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What is fascinating is the Canadian Ambassador in Kabul at the time is now in China and he was outted as a "turn a blind eye" participant.  I can just imagine how China will receive any holier than though "rights" talk from Harpo when he arrives on his latest political junket. 

This report implies that our PMO is complaisant in war crimes and if true it is a very very serious accusation that the NDP and Bloc need to not allow to disappear.


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A high level civil servant [Colvin] raises an alert about prisoners of Canadian troops in Afghanistan being tortured after they are turned over to Afghan officials, and nothing is done.

Peter MacKay says it wasn't a credible alert, and that is why they didn't look into it. However, any alert from a respected civil servant should be taken seriously, especially where there might be torture occuring.

MacKay's stated defence for inaction has very little credibility.


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Quote:
All detainees transferred by Canadians to Afghan prisons were likely tortured by Afghan officials and many of the prisoners were innocent, says a former senior diplomat with Canada's mission in Afghanistan.

Appearing before a House of Commons committee Wednesday, Richard Colvin blasted the detainees policies of Canada and compared them with the policies of the British and the Netherlands.

The detainees were captured by Canadian soldiers then handed over to the Afghan intelligence service, called the NDS.

Colvin said Canada was taking six times as many detainees as British troops and 20 times as many as the Dutch.

He said unlike the British and Dutch, Canada did not monitor their conditions; took days, weeks or months to notify the Red Cross; kept poor records; and to prevent scrutiny, the Canadian Forces leadership concealed this behind "walls of secrecy."

"As I learned more about our detainee practices, I came to a conclusion they were contrary to Canada's values, contrary to Canada's interests, contrary to Canada's official policies and also contrary to international law.

That is, they were un-Canadian, counterproductive and probably illegal.

kropotkin wrote:
This report implies that our PMO is complaisant in war crimes and if true it is a very very serious accusation

 

There should be calls to action going out about this to MP's......as a bolster to this:

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The opposition is calling for a full public inquiry into explosive allegations that all Afghan detainees taken by Canadian soldiers in Kandahar were knowingly sent to local jails where they were certainly tortured.

The revelations came when senior diplomat Richard Colvin testified before a House of Commons committee Wednesday that abuse of prisoners was the "standard operating procedure" of local authorities that top Canadian bureaucrats and military officials turned a blind eye for more than a year beginning in 2006 while he tried to bring his troubling findings to the attention of his superiors.

"Rather than investigate allegations in full, the Conservative government has only attacked his credibility. It's outrageous that the government would question his judgement," said NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar.

"The only way to get to the bottom of this is a full public inquiry. The women and the men of the Canadian Forces deserve nothing less."

 

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I am charmed by the way the MSM, pretends they haven't heard the detainee torture story before and that this is "news".


Frmrsldr
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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

I am charmed by the way the MSM, pretends they haven't heard the detainee torture story before and that this is "news".

That's good! Keep this story fresh in the minds of Canadians. Hopefully this will turn enough Canadian voters in the next federal election so that the Cons[ervatives] will be voted out of office!


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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:
I am charmed by the way the MSM, pretends they haven't heard the detainee torture story before and that this is "news".

CBC last night did not do this, Susan O, stated straight out that when rumblings of this were happening the Cons started to change actions, which indicates full well they knew what was happening, and indeed her and Peter stressed that the proof went well beyond the plausible denial meme. hey showed dlips of Sue's coverage about it back in the day....

The At Issue panel discussed this last night too, and Coyne was trying to share the blame with the Liberals, which really does not fully wash in my view as detainees and detainee transfers went way up under Harper's regime.

Also covered was Ignatieff's inability to  carry this into the public light given his approval of toruture in his book.


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"We are being asked to accept testimony from people who throw acid in the faces of schoolchildren and who blow up buses of civilians in their own country," Mr. MacKay told the Commons.(Globe & Mail)

 

Gulbuddin Heymatyar was infamous for throwing acid in the faces of women at the University of Kabul! He was the recipient of billions in aid from the CIA and Saudis in the 1980's during their anticommunist jihad!

 

And now Pete Mackay's bosses in Warshington and London are offering Hekmatyar a power sharing role in Karzai's government!

 

Someone should tell Pete Mackay that his imperialist masters aided and abetted the throwing of acid in women's faces not so long ago.


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Frmrsldr wrote:

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

I am charmed by the way the MSM, pretends they haven't heard the detainee torture story before and that this is "news".

That's good! Keep this story fresh in the minds of Canadians. Hopefully this will turn enough Canadian voters in the next federal election so that the Cons[ervatives] will be voted out of office!

This morning The Current interviewed Peter Desbarats, former commissioner of the Somalia Inquiry. His opinion was that Canadians didn't seem particularly interested, much less out-raged about that incident. And he wasn't confident we would be about this one. And if we aren't, no loss for the Conservatives.

"We have seen the enemy - and it is us"? Pogo, I think.


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Fidel wrote:

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"We are being asked to accept testimony from people who throw acid in the faces of schoolchildren and who blow up buses of civilians in their own country," Mr. MacKay told the Commons.(Globe & Mail)

 

Gulbuddin Heymatyar was infamous for throwing acid in the faces of women at the University of Kabul! He was the recipient of billions in aid from the CIA and Saudis in the 1980's during their anticommunist jihad!

 

And now Pete Mackay's bosses in Warshington and London are offering Hekmatyar a power sharing role in Karzai's government!

 

Someone should tell Pete Mackay that his imperialist masters aided and abetted the throwing of acid in women's faces not so long ago.

Not only that, but Peter MacKay makes the assumption that these prisoners were "Taliban". An assumption that has yet to be proven.

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar does not belong to a member organization of the Taliban. He is the commander of an insurgent group known as the Hezb-i-Islami Gulbuddin or the HIG Hekmatyar network. Hekmatyar and and his network usually operates on its own. Hekmatyar and his HIG network usually operates in northeast Afghanistan, not Kandahar province, south Afghanistan.


Fidel
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Chris Arsenault interviewed Malalai Joya recently:

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IPS: The New York Times recently reported that Ahmed Wali Karzai, President Hamid Karzai's brother and a well-known drug trafficker, has been on the CIA's payroll for years. Foreign troops indirectly fund the Taliban by paying them to protect supply routes, according to The Nation. Do average people in Afghanistan talk about this sort of collusion?

Malalai Joya: People know very well. Many others, including Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, who ran for president in the election, their bums are on the lap of the CIA. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar [another warlord] is said to be using his old CIA-generated [drug] trafficking network to fund the current insurgency.

If [Canadian Prime Minister Stephen] Harper is honest, why is he silent in supporting this mafia system? These people are criminals; but with suits and ties they are in power.


If this [CIA funding war-lords] isn't bad enough, [President Karzai] appointed Izzatullah Wasifi as Afghanistan's anti-corruption chief [in 2007]. Wasifi is a convicted drug trafficker who spent almost four years in Nevada state prison for selling heroin, but he was an old friend of the Karzai family. As Afghans often say, "Karzai assigned a rabbit to take care of the carrot."

 

The CIA is still funding warlords. Karzai's brother is a drug baron on the CIA's payroll, just as the CIA were funding drug barons and the most vicious of warlords and mercenaries in the 1980's. Gulbby, their coalition partner in crime in waiting, is still dealing drugs after all these years. What a mess. After 30 years of US meddling in Afghanistan, nothing has changed for ordinary Afghans living in grinding poverty and despair.


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Many detainees were just local farmers

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In fact, Amrullah Saleh, chief of Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security, told Canadians most prisoners were later released – meaning they weren't likely high-value captures, according to the memo.

Mr. Saleh told Canadians that rank-and-file soldiers weren't very good at identifying the bad guys when rounding up suspects. “He suggested that, in general, conventional forces are not necessarily the best instrument for identifying high-value combatants … most of those detained by Canadian forces, he guessed, would subsequently have been released,” Mr. Colvin wrote in a memo.

Overall, though, I'm guessing that the locals are overwhelmingly grateful to their Canadian saviours for building schools etc.


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Fidel
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Sure it is. US-managed election results in Afghanada reveal as much. Democracy is the right's most hated institution and always will be.


Frmrsldr
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The U.S. offers bounties to those who bring in "Al-Qaeda" and "Taliban" "terrorists". Anyone wanting to make a quick buck can either make a "citizen's arrest" or "finger" (along with two, or more, others who bear false witness) a totally innocent person to U.S. or Canadian or other NATO/ISAF troops (think Afghans can tell them apart, or care? They're all hated feringhees or foreigners or "Americans" to them.) Off to Bagram prison for them.

Anyone seen "Taxi to the Dark Side"?


Frmrsldr
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The following Globe and Mail article paints a picture that the political storm that is about to break with extreme violence in Ottawa is only just brewing:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-work-to-undermine-di...


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Where's the petition to see charges laid against Hillier, Harper and MacKay? I want to sign.


Frmrsldr
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Anyone remember the Euro classic movies "Battle of Algiers" and "Z"?


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Tigana wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Overall, though, I'm guessing that the locals are overwhelmingly grateful to their Canadian saviours for building schools etc.

Unionist, is this an ironic comment?

Yes.


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Noah_Scape wrote:

A high level civil servant [Colvin] raises an alert about prisoners of Canadian troops in Afghanistan being tortured after they are turned over to Afghan officials, and nothing is done.

Peter MacKay says it wasn't a credible alert, and that is why they didn't look into it. However, any alert from a respected civil servant should be taken seriously, especially where there might be torture occuring.

MacKay's stated defence for inaction has very little credibility.

But it does have a lot of upchuckability.


canuquetoo
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Frmrsldr wrote:

The U.S. offers bounties to those who bring in "Al-Qaeda" and "Taliban" "terrorists". Anyone wanting to make a quick buck can either make a "citizen's arrest" or "finger" (along with two, or more, others who bear false witness) a totally innocent person to U.S. or Canadian or other NATO/ISAF troops (think Afghans can tell them apart, or care? They're all hated feringhees or foreigners or "Americans" to them.) Off to Bagram prison for them.

Anyone seen "Taxi to the Dark Side"?

In Afghan tribal culture, revenge doesn't always involve direct violence. Many of the innocent victims of false terrorism charges are simply fingered due to domestic or financial disputes. 

Another example of culturally insensitive American expediency being utilised by Afghans to settle scores. As in Iraq, American policies have turned the population against them. The sad part is that Canada's feeble aid efforts are marginalised by a tribal culture that does not differentiate between occupying nationalities - they are all enemies.


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canuquetoo wrote:
The sad part is that Canada's feeble aid efforts are marginalised by a tribal culture that does not differentiate between occupying nationalities - they are all enemies.

Ah, tribal culture - so that's why those Afghans aren't thanking us...


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Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Where's the petition to see charges laid against Hillier, Harper and MacKay? I want to sign.

Why stop there? The whole pack of 'I didn't see that email' jowly porkers in expensive suits should walk the plank.


canuquetoo
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Tigana wrote:

On 570 News

http://www.570news.com/news/national/more.jsp?content=n175675330

 

Canadian diplomats ordered to hold back information on Afghan prison torture: sources November, 17, 2009 - 08:14 pm Brewster, Murray - (THE CANADIAN PRESS)

OTTAWA - Canadian diplomats in Afghanistan were ordered in 2007 to hold back information in their reports to Ottawa about the handling of the prisoners, say defence and foreign affairs sources.

The instruction - issued soon after allegations of torture by Afghan authorities began appearing in public - was aimed at defusing the explosive human-rights controversy, said sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

There was a fear that graphic reports, even in censored form, could be uncovered by opposition parties and the media through access-to-information laws, leading to revelations that would further erode already-tenuous public support.

The controversy was seen as "detracting from the narrative" the Harper government was trying to weave around the mission, said one official.

"It was meant to put on happy face," he added.

 

To get a fair-use copy go to

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiganatoo/4119618580/

What is the symbolism of the dude in the hoody?


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Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Where's the petition to see charges laid against Hillier, Harper and MacKay? I want to sign.

In his book, (just out) A Soldier First: Bullets, Breaucrats and the Politics of War, tricky Rick attempts to cover his ass on the earlier controversy, and plows on in singularly insensitive fashion:

"Things had changed after spring 2006, however, when we moved south of Kandahar and our soldiers would often take prisoners after firefights with Taliban or in other operations...the decision was made...that the right thing to do was transfer prisoners to the Afghans and let the Afghan judicial system, fledgling though it may have been, handle them. After all, Afghanistan is a sovereign country and, almost without exception, it was Afghans that we were detaining."

Hillier writes - in classic Blimp fashion: "We thought we had a good process in place, although obviously it was not perfect. Eventually - no surprise - people back in Canada started squawking about the issue. Opposition politicians and several specific individuals were trying to spin the story for their own purposes, and the result was that screaming newspaper headline insinuating that Canadian soldiers were abusing detainees."

He continues: "This suggestion that Canadian soldiers were not abiding by the laws of war coincided with complaints that the Afghans were abusing some of those handed to them. Their judicial and prison systems were still somewhat nascent, and there was always some risk that abuse would occur. That, unfortunately, is not abnormal in failed states and occurs even in solid countries like Canada. After indications that some abuse might have occurred (ed. the Globe pointed out that it had) the CF felt it was a necessity to have Candian officials make regular, unannounced visits to Afghan prison to ensure the people we transferred were being treated humanely. "

He plows on, about the Manley Report of January 2008 and the "improvements in prison infrastructure and Afghan police training..." But, of course, the general's concerns came late, after admitting that, yes, shit happens.  Which makes the sounds from the government benches these days, expressions of pure flatulence.  


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canuquetoo wrote:

 

What is the symbolism of the dude in the hoody?

Ever hear of Abu Ghraib?


canuquetoo
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Unionist wrote:

canuquetoo wrote:
The sad part is that Canada's feeble aid efforts are marginalised by a tribal culture that does not differentiate between occupying nationalities - they are all enemies.

Ah, tribal culture - so that's why those Afghans aren't thanking us...

Whassamadda? Fish not biting? You run out of friends to chat with in your 'the Afghan people will win' fantasy world?


canuquetoo
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Unionist wrote:

canuquetoo wrote:

 

What is the symbolism of the dude in the hoody?

Ever hear of Abu Ghraib?

No, does it have cous cous in it? Lamb maybe?


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You're pushing it. 

How about some substantive comments instead of this trash. 


Unionist
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NorthReport wrote:

You're pushing it. 

How about some substantive comments instead of this trash. 

He's an Islamophobic troll, not worth responding to - I forgot for a moment, and I apologize for commenting on one of his posts.

 


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