So...why wasn't Hochelaga closer? By: Ken Burch (96 replies) November 11, 2009 - 6:41pmflight from kamakura By: adma (Nov 13 2009 - 10:45pm) Thanks ffk. I think the NPD By: V. Jara (Nov 13 2009 - 9:36pm) I think those people will be By: ottawaobserver (Nov 13 2009 - 8:30pm) That's a good on the ground By: Stockholm (Nov 13 2009 - 7:49pm) a few things:
1. hochelaga By: flight from kamakura (Nov 13 2009 - 6:00pm) I think the simple reason By: genstrike (Nov 13 2009 - 4:13pm) ... it's more than a By: ottawaobserver (Nov 13 2009 - 9:47am) Maybe if one were to By: adma (Nov 13 2009 - 9:29am) Another thing that convinces By: V. Jara (Nov 13 2009 - 3:14am) BTW, it's so fantastic that By: ottawaobserver (Nov 13 2009 - 2:57am) Probably the one union with By: ottawaobserver (Nov 13 2009 - 2:54am) That being said Wilf, it was By: V. Jara (Nov 13 2009 - 2:16am) ottawaobserver wrote:Give By: Wilf Day (Nov 13 2009 - 1:12am) V.Jara, your points #1 and By: ottawaobserver (Nov 12 2009 - 7:27pm) Most people haven't tried to By: V. Jara (Nov 12 2009 - 7:16pm) The NDP vote in Hochelaga By: Stockholm (Nov 12 2009 - 5:19pm) ottawaobserver wrote:
I By: Debater (Nov 12 2009 - 4:39pm) interesting reading OO, By: remind (Nov 12 2009 - 2:54pm) The answer to the thread By: madmax (Nov 12 2009 - 2:08pm) KenS wrote:
And the Liberals By: bekayne (Nov 12 2009 - 1:27pm) Who represents anglophone By: autoworker (Nov 12 2009 - 12:02pm) Debater wrote:
Ken Burch By: ottawaobserver (Nov 12 2009 - 9:43am) Debater wrote:And the By: KenS (Nov 12 2009 - 9:07am) adma wrote:...to say "even By: KenS (Nov 12 2009 - 8:39am) Considering that Outremont By: adma (Nov 12 2009 - 8:22am) Ken Burch wrote:
Then again, By: Debater (Nov 12 2009 - 5:29am) Then again, even fewer are By: Ken Burch (Nov 12 2009 - 3:29am) Ken Burch wrote:
What By: Debater (Nov 12 2009 - 2:29am) I wonder what the NDP plan By: NorthReport (Nov 12 2009 - 1:27am) Ken, I don't know if that's By: ottawaobserver (Nov 12 2009 - 12:43am) Is the assumption that By: Ken Burch (Nov 11 2009 - 11:31pm) Compare the 2000 election By: David Young (Nov 11 2009 - 9:53pm) To me the key By: ottawaobserver (Nov 11 2009 - 7:27pm) But not Layton.
Jack said he By: NorthReport (Nov 11 2009 - 7:15pm) The future is a longer By: Sean in Ottawa (Nov 11 2009 - 7:06pm)
- By "longer term trends" I By: KenS (Nov 25 2009 - 6:35am)
- KenS wrote: Go back Debator By: Debater (Nov 24 2009 - 9:14pm)
- NorthReport wrote: So By: David Young (Nov 24 2009 - 7:43am)
- What's the poverty rate By: ottawaobserver (Nov 24 2009 - 2:49am)
- The HST has traction but the By: V. Jara (Nov 24 2009 - 2:01am)
- Debater wrote:The By: KenS (Nov 23 2009 - 8:21am)
- I think Layton has seen the By: ottawaobserver (Nov 23 2009 - 2:59am)
- ottawaobserver wrote: If By: JKR (Nov 23 2009 - 2:10am)
- So now debator By: NorthReport (Nov 23 2009 - 12:47am)
- Funny how you 'forgot' to By: Bookish Agrarian (Nov 23 2009 - 12:41am)
- If they were worth their By: ottawaobserver (Nov 23 2009 - 2:56am)
- If that's the case then I By: Stockholm (Nov 22 2009 - 11:04pm)
- The commentators have By: Debater (Nov 22 2009 - 10:31pm)
- All the pundits like Jean By: Stockholm (Nov 22 2009 - 9:54pm)
- Well as you pointed out, By: Debater (Nov 22 2009 - 9:34pm)
- Debater wrote: According to By: Bookish Agrarian (Nov 22 2009 - 8:59pm)
- jean lapierre can say By: flight from kamakura (Nov 22 2009 - 9:00pm)
- Ken Burch By: ottawaobserver (Nov 22 2009 - 8:53pm)
- ottawaobserver wrote: Ah, By: Ken Burch (Nov 22 2009 - 8:17pm)
- flight from kamakura By: Debater (Nov 22 2009 - 7:29pm)
- Ah, but he wants to be the By: ottawaobserver (Nov 22 2009 - 1:51pm)
- There is one other thing By: Stockholm (Nov 22 2009 - 1:45pm)
- We need to remember that the By: Sean in Ottawa (Nov 22 2009 - 12:44pm)
- Thanks, ffk. I guess my By: ottawaobserver (Nov 22 2009 - 12:28pm)
- it seems to me that we By: flight from kamakura (Nov 22 2009 - 12:24pm)
- ottawaobserver wrote: Sorry, By: adma (Nov 22 2009 - 8:45am)
- While everyone's reading tea By: autoworker (Nov 22 2009 - 3:00am)
- The safest assumption is By: Sean in Ottawa (Nov 22 2009 - 2:40am)
- adma wrote: ottawaobserver By: Debater (Nov 22 2009 - 2:27am)
- Sorry, you lost me adma. By: ottawaobserver (Nov 22 2009 - 1:07am)
- ottawaobserver wrote: OK, By: adma (Nov 22 2009 - 12:35am)
- All the smart bets are By: V. Jara (Nov 21 2009 - 11:14pm)
- Debator is a typical By: NorthReport (Nov 21 2009 - 9:35pm)
- OK, well when that happens, By: ottawaobserver (Nov 21 2009 - 6:04pm)
- Stockholm wrote: I also By: Debater (Nov 21 2009 - 5:59pm)
- Absolutely perfect fluency By: Stockholm (Nov 21 2009 - 1:34pm)
- Stockholm wrote: It will be By: West Coast Lefty (Nov 21 2009 - 1:54am)
- It will be interesting in By: Stockholm (Nov 18 2009 - 11:06pm)
- well, some quebec voters By: flight from kamakura (Nov 18 2009 - 3:44pm)
- "the last french debate By: Stockholm (Nov 17 2009 - 11:39pm)
- Good one Will! By: ottawaobserver (Nov 17 2009 - 9:50pm)
- ottawaobserver wrote: are By: Wilf Day (Nov 17 2009 - 9:05pm)
- - i think paille is By: flight from kamakura (Nov 17 2009 - 7:35pm)
- "better to stick with jack By: Stockholm (Nov 16 2009 - 12:18am)
- Some wonderful perspective By: ottawaobserver (Nov 15 2009 - 11:23pm)
- flight from kamakura By: Wilf Day (Nov 15 2009 - 11:06pm)
- personally, i think that By: flight from kamakura (Nov 15 2009 - 10:52pm)
- Very interesting maps Krago. By: V. Jara (Nov 15 2009 - 10:38pm)
- Notice that if the 6000+ By: V. Jara (Nov 15 2009 - 8:43pm)
- Thank you. Very By: ottawaobserver (Nov 15 2009 - 8:15pm)
- For those interested in the By: Krago (Nov 15 2009 - 7:20pm)
- It wasn't so long ago that By: Stockholm (Nov 14 2009 - 2:02pm)
- I think a Spring election is By: KenS (Nov 14 2009 - 1:51pm)
- ottawaobserver wrote: WCL, I By: West Coast Lefty (Nov 14 2009 - 1:38pm)
- ...according to those By: remind (Nov 14 2009 - 12:02pm)
- West Coast Lefty wrote:The By: Wilf Day (Nov 14 2009 - 10:56am)
- WCL, I don't know Montreal By: ottawaobserver (Nov 14 2009 - 10:23am)
- West Coast Lefty wrote: but By: bekayne (Nov 14 2009 - 6:35am)
- Thanks FFK - I know it's a By: West Coast Lefty (Nov 14 2009 - 3:50am)
- "there may be a "loony left" By: Stockholm (Nov 13 2009 - 11:58pm)
- Thanks for the FFK, By: remind (Nov 13 2009 - 11:01pm)
Absolutely perfect fluency in a second language to the point where no one can tell what your mother tongue is - is something that is almost impossible to master unless you grew up in a bilingual household with one parent speaking each language to you. So, I think our expectations of our political leaders have to reasonable. We are clearly at a point where not being able to speak the other language is simply not on for a national leader in Canadian politics. The days when a Lester Pearson or Tommy Douglas or John Diefenbaker couuld be party leaders and each speak virtually no French whatsoever - are long gone.
I don't actually know the whole story of how and where Layton learned French (I may see him at a function tonight - maybe I'll ask him!). He clearly learned more French growing up in Montreal than did a lot of other Anglos of his age. Going to elementary and high school in Montreal in the 50s and 60s (as he would have), you got maybe one hour of French PER WEEK and maybe more in high school if you took French as an elective - so the fact that he had some grounding in French to begin with makes me think that he must have opted for a lot of French classes in high school and maybe university. I know that he moved to Toronto in the early 70s and from then until he ran for the NDP leader in 2002, he would have had little or no reason to speak French - if anything, after he married Olivia Chow, i think he spent a long time putting more energy into learning Cantonese.
I think that since he's been leader, he has put a lot of effort into learning French and he goes on immersion courses every year and has regular lessons etc...and I think that each eection his French has been better than in the preceding one. I do know for a fact that he has a number of top people in his office who are francophone Quebecers (e.g. his press secretary Karl Belanger and many others). I also think that he can and will get more and more attention in the francophone media in the next election. I already find that more often than not I see more headlines mentioning Layton in La Presse than I do in the Toronto Star or the Globe! I also think that in the next election, the very fact that the French media is starting to pick up on Layton's personal popularity in Quebec will cause them to pay more attention to the NDP - esp. with the Liberals in such a downward spiral.
I also think that there is a better than 50% chance that Mulcair will not be the only NDP MP from Quebec in the next eection. I think there is avery reason to believe that Francise Boivin can win in Gatineau and she will be a great addition to the NDP's francophone profile.