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Sorry if you dont like being correct Remind, but it is important to use the right terms so you don't accidentally misdirect people or cause them to misunderstand what is what *rolls eyes* OFFS indeed
Thanks Stargazer
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remind, I'm unsure why you're having a hard time with this. It doesn't make the crime less to call it what it is. Any criminologist will tell you the same thing.
It was still rape, it is just not pedophilia (now whether or not he has those tendencies? that's another topic of which I have no information on).
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Rarely Stargazer. a Pedophile only really responds sexually to pre-pubescent and the other the innocence of youth but the more adult features of someone in puberty. In other words, anyone could be attracted to a teenager (depending on a variety of factors like type, maturity, body development etc) but it just would not interest a pedophile
Very very rare for it to be anything goes kind of mental aberation
Are you having issues with typing Remind or is this some childish game?
Those seem like very technical lines especially when one is dealing with men who like children who are just on the cusp of adolescence at 13 or so. They certainly are not looking for a mature adult to have a relationship with they are looking for a child. We can all agree that they are child rapists the only dispute is when does a child cease to be a child for the purposes of calling the rapist a pedophile. I have some nits over here to pick if anyone is interested in providing a little personal grooming help.
Instead of bickering about what to call it, let's just call it "wrong" and be done with it.
In what is still a largely heterosexual male-dominated culture and power structure, one whose values haven't significantly changed in millenia, where currently girls are sexualized at a very young age, before they are even able to understand sexuality, where little girls are encouraged to mimic older women through girls' toys, fashion, etc., it's no wonder that sexual relations between an adult male and a pubescent girl are seen as "normal".
Any way you look at it, it's wrong. Okay, so maybe there was some kind of social necessity a thousand years ago in Europe, where 13 year old girls were married off to middle aged men. But that had to do with economics, power alliances, etc. And girls died very young because they had to bear children when their bodies weren't developed.
Also, people didn't live so long - sexual maturity equaled adulthood when your life expectancy was 35 or 40 at best.
These old ideas have long lived out their usefulness. Too bad they're so entrenched in mainstream sexual society that we can't easily change the concepts that support such wrongness.
/end of rant
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/282704
Excellent post. I just want to point out that nowhere did I say it was okay. Nor did anyone else who posted here. No one was bickering with the exception of remind's strange posts.
Clearly there is a huge problem with the hypersexualization of children. Look at Miley Cyrus (sp?). She's a kid performing in tiny shorts for a mainly all girl audience. Parents have to take some of the blame as well. We buy into it. We need to teach our sons to respect women and girls and teach them how to take care of themselves - cook, clean, do laundry...all of it. We need to teach our girls self-respect, to love who they are as they are.
I don't seriously care how young these girls are. If they look like they are teens or may be teens - don't look. It creeps us out when older men look. It gives us a feeling of being potential diner. It makes us uncomfortable and self-conscious and yes, sometimes scared.
For the life of me I will never understand how it is that the vast majority of women manage to not look or fantasize about teen or pre-teen boys, yet a lot of men feel and think this behaviour is "natural". I don't think it is. You guys are adults, most with kids, some with girls. Would you want much older men leering at them?
Recognizing beauty is one thing - translating that into an invitation to leer, grope, or otherwise creep girls out is not.
Yes it is fucked up, but it says more about the "pro-life feminists" agenda than it does anything else. And since when are pregnant women
non-sexual? What a load of bullshit.
Is it not interesting that everyone wants to call themselves a "feminist" these days?
Apparently it is going from the "fword" status, to the word that everyone wants to apply to themselves, no matter how tenuous the connection is.
That has gotta be a good thing for women, right?
Women should have the choice of what to do with thier own bodies. Full stop. That includes abortion and sex work.
MacLeans reported the findings of a survey on attitudes towards prostitution (their word) in this week's issue. I was reading it at the breakfast table but can't remember all of the precise questions and numbers.
Really that has no point in this thread Caissa, which is specifically to detail attacks against women and women rights, unless you are stating that this drive to decriminalize john's, pimps and procurers is an attack against women?
I was responding to Stargazer's comments in #76, Remind. I'm sorry you were confused by my comments.
Wasn't confused at all, figured you were....but I did find your article on line and will start a thread about it....so as the derailing here will stop.
I'm glad to see the derail police are alive and well. This site is so active lately that it can afford to employ them.
shall we bump this puppy up to 100 posts, by other trivial baiting inanities, so it can be closed so we don't have realize women are under attack as never before.
only 17 more posts to go....now......
BTW your Maclean's article is in the gender divide thread
Maybe if you stopped being disingenuous like you were clearly being in post #79 this won't happen in 16 posts.
Post #56, I think shows an interest in the topic, but I'm sure you will be the arbitrator of that as well. Forget it!
Agreed post #56 was, which is why I figured you were either being disingenuous in post # 78, or indicating that this drive to decriminalize pimps and procurers was an attack on women...I choose the latter, but was apparently wrong....
only 15 to go.......
I truly appreciated posts #61, 63, 66. I assumed you didn't care about the topic, but apparently I was wrong...
only 14 to go....
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Having thought more about it, I think perhaps caissa was onto something posting about prostitution in this thread given the report over here in this thread, where pedophilia/ephebophilia, was given a pass and even tried to normalize it....
adolescents do not become "sex workers" they become sexually exploited adolescents, her "clients" were not clients, (add puking emoticon) they were pedophiles/ephebophiles, as per, at least on honest male's commentary of "Most guys, the older they get, the younger women they want," and his follow up to that, afterall can't have pushy feminists stopping them in their pursuit of adolescent girls, nor stopping those who want to exploit those adolescent girls and aging men.