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"It was painful to watch the subtle cheerleading for all things
conservative. I suspect that this "journalist" will end up with a
Senate seat."
Yep everything about that network spells conservative propaganda and facilitating agency...their so called journalists run for the conservatives even. It wouldn't surprise me if they made Duffy a senator. More reason for the crtc to pull their licence.
Should be interesting watching the spin of the auto crisis. CTV depends on those auto dollars for advertising revenue...so they are in a conflict of interest situation...expect fear mongering reporting..and lots of it.
Now, Now lets not over-react. If my words offend you I am sorry. If my words are incorrect please enlighten me. I do not mean any disrespect and certainly do not mean to speak disparagingly of anybody with a different opinion. I simply am saying that corporate Canada pays for CTV and Globe Media and we all, as taxpayers, prop up the CBC. If it were any other way we would be doomed to follow the U.S.
Now, Now lets not over-react. If my words offend you I am sorry. If my words are incorrect please enlighten me. I do not mean any disrespect and certainly do not mean to speak disparagingly of anybody with a different opinion. I simply am saying that corporate Canada pays for CTV and Globe Media and we all, as taxpayers, prop up the CBC. If it were any other way we would be doomed to follow the U.S.
Thats all
You lying creep. Now you're pretending you didn't say what you said. I will quote it here so you won't be able to edit your own words:
bewaredabear wrote:
Why is it that everyone here can't see the big picture? The left has the CBC and the right has CTV. The only problem is that the right pays for both.
So you can shove that passive-aggressive attitude up your ass on your way out the door.
What is it that is so imflammatory about my words? passive-aggressive? certainly I wouldn't edit my comments to make them more uniform, they are what they are. Now if you are done name calling and would like to retort I am all ears or eyes.
What is it that is so imflammatory about my words? passive-aggressive? certainly I wouldn't edit my comments to make them more uniform, they are what they are. Now if you are done name calling and would like to retort I am all ears or eyes.
Look we have an anti-troll/red baiting policy. You signed it. I am giving you the nice way of saying FUCKOFF. People here don't think the CBC is left. How about I told you the Toronto Star is a harper supporting newpaper what do you think would be your reaction. Because the CBC is about as left as maybe the Toronto star was 2 years ago since then it is nothing but a mouthpiece for Harper.
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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
Noam Chomsky
Wow... all this started because of a comment about lil ol' Bob "Yes Prime Minister, swallow or spit" Fife and his totally biased crap reporting. But I digress. The problem with the media in this country is the fact that it is so concentrated between, Canwest Global, Rogers Communications, BellGlobe Media and the Sun Chain.
Everyone knows about media concentration and its effects on society. To see that all you have to do is look down south. On the coast here, Canwest controls all the major dailies and the vast majority of the weekly community papers. For some balance we have the Georgia Straight in the lower mainland, but predominantly the weeklies are controllled by either Canwest or Black Press.
What is truly frightening about the media today is the reaction to a proposed coalition government. The level of hype and hyperbole, and empty rhetoric stoked up by the Conservatives was shocking. And the playing of that rhetoric, referring to Liberals and NDP'ers has "treasonous" "mutineers" "attempting a coup d'etat" and other inflammatory statements to whip up anger and outrage was grossly unresponsible and reprehensible.
There are people in this country that would take those terms and believe them, that somehow democratically elected people were trying to "seize power and overthrow" the government. What was shocking to me was that alot of the talk show hosts did NOTHING or even STOKED it even worse, though it was in all reality a huge lie. I also believe that these same people put our elected officials in harm's way, because there are some crackpots and nut bars in this country that do believe that whats in the papers or Macleans Magazine, or on TV or the radio must be true because the media is a responsible entity and has a duty to fulfill in society (somewhat akin to the judiciary or executive branches of our government).
As the old saying goes, those that own the piper call the tune.
I guess my answer to that question would be "to what?" Perhaps the Canwest Global network? Or even the CBC? My main point is that people in Canada expect the media to be objective and fair in their reporting, and in the most recent case of the proposed NDP Liberal coalition, CTV News was not at all objective or fair about it. They took their slant on the issue and rammed it down the throats of their viewership.
In Canada we've watched the media concentration issue come to the forefront over the past couple of months thanks in large part to the totally biased, rhetoric based pablum the people have been spoon fed by the media themselves. Instead of CTV calling its all news channel CTV Newsnet, why not call it CTV NewsSpeak? But when ALL the media outlets are putting out the same right wing spin on an issue such as the political crisis in Ottawa, word verbatim, just where is the "other side" of the issue when it comes to fair balanced and objective reporting.
While people who post on here and other political type sites could be considered news and/or political hounds and jockeys, joe and june average canadian who don't tend to get their information from these media outlets and form their opinions on issues based on that information. Given the rhetoric and out right hysterics played up over the past month, misleading the general public seems to be an art that the management of the major media outlets have down pat. Don't let the truth or facts get in the way of a good story.
With both Duffy and Wallen appointed to the senate it should be all the proof that the CTV network is a conservative mouthpiece and propaganda service in violation of crtc rules and regulations...hopefully they will have their licence pulled. Failing that then the CRTC itself is in disrepair and should be pulled.
They (the NEW tory senators) even have to take an oath that they are against the coalition...talk about biased..that in itself has made a mockery of the conservative appointed branch of the senate. Unfortunately Canadians are as dumb as sticks and can't comprehend much less understand what has and is taking place...without a popular newscaster to tell them what to think they are powerless and helpless. What a disgrace this is. Unfortunately this could be good unless of course mansbridge is a neocon also.He sure makes excuses for them.
One thing is for sure Harper has shown that Canadians are just as gullible as Americans and can be led down the garden path so easily it's pathetic to say the least. It's shameful and demoralizing !
Wallin hasn't been on CTV for over a decade. The Duffy appointment is more telling - I'm curious when he first learned that he was in consideration for the Senate - if it was during the coalition crisis then CTV has some explaining to do given the overwhelmingly one sided coverage of the crisis on CTV and, in particular, on Mike Duffy's shows.
CTVGlobemedia is, I understand, now 40% owned by The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund.
The Globe and Mail is a very respected newspaper, and a great investment for you. Certainly you would not want to interfere with its editorial freedom.
The CTV network, on the other hand, is a bad joke. It was typified by Mike Duffy, who has thankfully gone to his reward, but it is still known by many as the "Conservative Television Network." I almost never watch it, but if I did, I would subliminally form a negative opinion of advertisers on it. It has a large number of viewers, who are being fed a diet of good entertainment and slanted news.
You need, in my respectful submission, to take steps to make it as objective as the Globe and Mail.
Once again if you do not like CTV news change the channel
I'd prefer to cut off their access to public money. With their abysmal management they wouldn't still have a channel except for the CRTC system that has allowed an oligarchy to control our media. Change the funding and get them out of my pocket. The CBC too for that matter since they are nowl under explicit orders to mimic the right wing corporate media.
___________________________________________ Soothsayers had a better record of prediction than economists
Once again if you do not like CTV news change the channel
I'd prefer to cut off their access to public money. With their abysmal management they wouldn't still have a channel except for the CRTC system that has allowed an oligarchy to control our media. Change the funding and get them out of my pocket. The CBC too for that matter since they are nowl under explicit orders to mimic the right wing corporate media.
___________________________________________ Soothsayers had a better record of prediction than economists
So we could a) abolish the CRTC and b) change the channel. That thought warms my heart.
double post.
Jokerman said
"It was painful to watch the subtle cheerleading for all things conservative. I suspect that this "journalist" will end up with a Senate seat."
Yep everything about that network spells conservative propaganda and facilitating agency...their so called journalists run for the conservatives even. It wouldn't surprise me if they made Duffy a senator. More reason for the crtc to pull their licence.
Should be interesting watching the spin of the auto crisis. CTV depends on those auto dollars for advertising revenue...so they are in a conflict of interest situation...expect fear mongering reporting..and lots of it.
You don't belong here, asshole.
Fuck off.
Now, Now lets not over-react. If my words offend you I am sorry. If my words are incorrect please enlighten me. I do not mean any disrespect and certainly do not mean to speak disparagingly of anybody with a different opinion. I simply am saying that corporate Canada pays for CTV and Globe Media and we all, as taxpayers, prop up the CBC. If it were any other way we would be doomed to follow the U.S.
Thats all
You lying creep. Now you're pretending you didn't say what you said. I will quote it here so you won't be able to edit your own words:
So you can shove that passive-aggressive attitude up your ass on your way out the door.
Look we have an anti-troll/red baiting policy. You signed it. I am giving you the nice way of saying FUCKOFF. People here don't think the CBC is left. How about I told you the Toronto Star is a harper supporting newpaper what do you think would be your reaction. Because the CBC is about as left as maybe the Toronto star was 2 years ago since then it is nothing but a mouthpiece for Harper.
______________________________________________________________________________________ "Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it." Noam Chomsky
Wow... all this started because of a comment about lil ol' Bob "Yes Prime Minister, swallow or spit" Fife and his totally biased crap reporting. But I digress. The problem with the media in this country is the fact that it is so concentrated between, Canwest Global, Rogers Communications, BellGlobe Media and the Sun Chain.
Everyone knows about media concentration and its effects on society. To see that all you have to do is look down south. On the coast here, Canwest controls all the major dailies and the vast majority of the weekly community papers. For some balance we have the Georgia Straight in the lower mainland, but predominantly the weeklies are controllled by either Canwest or Black Press.
What is truly frightening about the media today is the reaction to a proposed coalition government. The level of hype and hyperbole, and empty rhetoric stoked up by the Conservatives was shocking. And the playing of that rhetoric, referring to Liberals and NDP'ers has "treasonous" "mutineers" "attempting a coup d'etat" and other inflammatory statements to whip up anger and outrage was grossly unresponsible and reprehensible.
There are people in this country that would take those terms and believe them, that somehow democratically elected people were trying to "seize power and overthrow" the government. What was shocking to me was that alot of the talk show hosts did NOTHING or even STOKED it even worse, though it was in all reality a huge lie. I also believe that these same people put our elected officials in harm's way, because there are some crackpots and nut bars in this country that do believe that whats in the papers or Macleans Magazine, or on TV or the radio must be true because the media is a responsible entity and has a duty to fulfill in society (somewhat akin to the judiciary or executive branches of our government).
As the old saying goes, those that own the piper call the tune.
I guess my answer to that question would be "to what?" Perhaps the Canwest Global network? Or even the CBC? My main point is that people in Canada expect the media to be objective and fair in their reporting, and in the most recent case of the proposed NDP Liberal coalition, CTV News was not at all objective or fair about it. They took their slant on the issue and rammed it down the throats of their viewership.
In Canada we've watched the media concentration issue come to the forefront over the past couple of months thanks in large part to the totally biased, rhetoric based pablum the people have been spoon fed by the media themselves. Instead of CTV calling its all news channel CTV Newsnet, why not call it CTV NewsSpeak? But when ALL the media outlets are putting out the same right wing spin on an issue such as the political crisis in Ottawa, word verbatim, just where is the "other side" of the issue when it comes to fair balanced and objective reporting.
While people who post on here and other political type sites could be considered news and/or political hounds and jockeys, joe and june average canadian who don't tend to get their information from these media outlets and form their opinions on issues based on that information. Given the rhetoric and out right hysterics played up over the past month, misleading the general public seems to be an art that the management of the major media outlets have down pat. Don't let the truth or facts get in the way of a good story.
They (the NEW tory senators) even have to take an oath that they are against the coalition...talk about biased..that in itself has made a mockery of the conservative appointed branch of the senate. Unfortunately Canadians are as dumb as sticks and can't comprehend much less understand what has and is taking place...without a popular newscaster to tell them what to think they are powerless and helpless. What a disgrace this is. Unfortunately this could be good unless of course mansbridge is a neocon also.He sure makes excuses for them.
One thing is for sure Harper has shown that Canadians are just as gullible as Americans and can be led down the garden path so easily it's pathetic to say the least. It's shameful and demoralizing !
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thanks for that Unionist!
Great question!
Once again if you do not like CTV news change the channel
Yeah, I hear Fox is fair and balanced.
I'd prefer to cut off their access to public money. With their abysmal management they wouldn't still have a channel except for the CRTC system that has allowed an oligarchy to control our media. Change the funding and get them out of my pocket. The CBC too for that matter since they are nowl under explicit orders to mimic the right wing corporate media.
___________________________________________ Soothsayers had a better record of prediction than economists
So we could a) abolish the CRTC and b) change the channel. That thought warms my heart.