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5 Canadians killed in Afghanistan; 4 Soldiers and Michelle Lang of the Calgary Herald

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NorthReport
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I hope lots more Canadian journalists suffer in Afghanistan and then perhaps our msp will stop reporting on the war so favourably.


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Chester Drawers
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NorthReport wrote:

I hope lots more Canadian journalists suffer in Afghanistan and then perhaps our msp will stop reporting on the war so favourably.

Truly offensive.  Wishing harm on a group of people.  Statements like this removes the moral high ground from the progressives that believe they hold it. 


SparkyOne
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NorthReport wrote:

I hope lots more Canadian journalists suffer in Afghanistan and then perhaps our msp will stop reporting on the war so favourably.

 

So to Paraphrase one could think you hope

More Migrant workers suffer in accidents to bring attenton to numbered companies skirting work place saftey rules.

More Women suffer from domestic abuse to make everyone aware of serious violence against women is.

More homeless dying from exposure in Vancouver so the government will stop treating them like second class citizens?

 

What about more Afghans dying so they will realize how futile resisting their NATO oppressors really is?

 

Sorry NorthReport hoping anyone suffers is a horrible horrible thing to say. Do you actually hope more Canadian journalists die (or suffer as you put it)?

I hope NO ONE else suffers in Afghanistan so the governmnt can see that violence IS NOT the answer.


Lou Arab
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N.Beltov wrote:

Lou, you were a little off on the question of this reporters' embeddedness. I don't have a problem with that. God knows i'm off sometimes. Please don't mistake my mocking you for mocking the dead.

I can accept that. 

Glad to see the discussion has, for the most part, moved on.


NorthReport
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People promoting the war are suffering.

 

That's a change from the usual innocent victims.


Unionist
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NorthReport, do me a favour and lay off the hyperbolic statements. It's just grist for the mill of those who support the occupation and are desperately seeking some moral high ground on their icy slope.

How about putting it this way:

"I hope lots of Canadian journalists tell their media outlets, the government, the military, the public, and the Afghan people that they refuse to be used as PR pawns in the effort to crush the sovereignty of the Afghan people. That will help end this obscene occupation."

 


Polunatic2
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Works for me Unionist.


SparkyOne
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Well put Unionist thank you.


KRüüLER
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I specifically registered with rabble.ca to comment on this New Years Eve tearjerker.

 

Let me be the first to say: A Darwin Award for the dumb, but pretty stenographer (passing herself as a journo, no less).

 

A Corporate Shill Freedom Award to her cold, calculating employer, who was just doing its job (propaganda for the fascist paymasters).

 

Nothing fills my heart with joy more than the sight of a bully getting its comeuppance.

 

Well-done, Canwest-Global.


Unionist
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You mean you couldn't think of anything krüüler to say than that?

 


KRüüLER
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Unionist wrote:

You mean you couldn't think of anything krüüler to say than that?

 

 

A Jeff Gannon Award for all ethically-challenged, myopic stenographers out there, "catapulting the sh!t."

 

There are countless unemployed keyboard mercs waiting to fill in dead stenographer shoes at Canwest-Global, or any other shill-4-cash BS outlets on behalf of corporate Canada and Uncle Sam.

 

So, your little bloody tearjerker holds little traction in this Canadian Household. I've seen corporate interests (fascists) exploit dumb, pretty stenos before.

 

You can chalk the funerals to the bottom line. We're all paying, regardless of the fact that an overwhelming majority of Canadians silently disagree.


Eastwinds
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It will all end soon folks, the occupation will be over, NATO will pull out eventually and Afghanistan can stay the way it was just like so many people would prefer. The taliban will rule there again and we all can get together for some celebration cake.

Hopefully, after the mission fails and Mullah somebody becomes ruler of the land, not one more dollar of my tax dollar is ever sent there as to not upset the way Afghanistan should be. Then again, Mullah somebody will not want to spend any money on the 8 mill+ kids who now go to school anyways...phew, what a relief.

 

 


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Webgear wrote:

If I remember correctly Kandahar City is surrounded by five districts, so yes the lay of the land does matter when discussing the situation at hand.

Dand district was one of the approaches to Emerald (I mean Kandahar) City that was supposed to be relatively quiet/relatively "secure". That is why it was chosen for this journalist to travel on that route. I guess this incident proved that wrong.

I heard that the Pentagon, military analysts and the U.S. military are now arriving at the conclusion that the Canadian military may have over-rated their progress in the greater Kandahar City district(s)/area and are currently re-assessing the situation.

The Canadian military operates on a "need to know" basis. They will feed the Canadian public sugar coated war porn 'infomercial' puff pieces in the form of Michelle Lang. They are not going to hand you what they are really doing in the 'Ghan on a silver platter.

They will hide that under the blanket of "National/Operational Security. We need to 'protect' the nation, the mission and the troops (the order intentional), dontcha know.


SparkyOne
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KRüüLER wrote:

There are countless unemployed keyboard mercs waiting to fill in dead stenographer shoes at Canwest-Global

Not to mention keyboard mercs joining up over at Rabble.ca eh?


KRüüLER
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Wilf Day wrote:

 

 Michelle Lang was a working journalist, not an advocate. She went where the story was happening.

Michelle Lang, with a whole life to live, gave her life so that the story could be told.

 

 

The story is about a fascist corporatist invasion. She was going to bolster the narrative.

 

I for one appreciate the delicious irony. A created, "made-up" story. The subsequent need to re-establish the fascist viewpoint.

 

Her life is a token in the bucket of blood our Federal (libservative) Government throws at Canadians every week.

 

Happy New Year, Jeff Gannon pros.


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Eastwinds wrote:

It will all end soon folks, the occupation will be over, NATO will pull out eventually and Afghanistan can stay the way it was just like so many people would prefer. The taliban will rule there again and we all can get together for some celebration cake.

Hopefully, after the mission fails and Mullah somebody becomes ruler of the land, not one more dollar of my tax dollar is ever sent there as to not upset the way Afghanistan should be. Then again, Mullah somebody will not want to spend any money on the 8 mill+ kids who now go to school anyways...phew, what a relief.

According to the Geneva Conventions, aggressive war is illegal.

That means that Bushs' "Strike First" pre-emptive war doctrine is illegal. That means no vengeance for 9/11. That means regime change is illegal. Most of those convicted at Nuremberg were charged with "regime change" or (to put it another way) waging aggressive war.

Sorry, but in the eyes of international law, that means going to war against a country and its government because you do not like them or what they do, is not on.

The initial war in Afghanistan and our continued presence there is illegal.

We never should have been/shouldn't be there. Period.


Sineed
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KRüüLER wrote:

 

I've seen corporate interests (fascists) exploit dumb, pretty stenos before.

Can ya cool it with the "pretty, dumb" stuff?  Granted, she was out of her league because she usually was a health reporter.  And yes; I believe she decided to go to Afghanistan because it looked like a good career move.

But the whole "pretty, dumb" thing reminds me of the Amanda Lindhout threads.  Which were also sexist.


remind
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five more names to jingoize on the bottom of hockey sweaters


KRüüLER
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SparkyOne wrote:

KRüüLER wrote:

There are countless unemployed keyboard mercs waiting to fill in dead stenographer shoes at Canwest-Global

Not to mention keyboard mercs joining up over at Rabble.ca eh?

 

I doubt that. You have this tearjerker story which is way too sweet. I'm not mercing, which is a pro-active form of intervention. I'm just laughing my head off at this Canwest-Global BLOOD THEATER.


KRüüLER
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Sineed wrote:

KRüüLER wrote:

 

I've seen corporate interests (fascists) exploit dumb, pretty stenos before.

Can ya cool it with the "pretty, dumb" stuff?  Granted, she was out of her league because she usually was a health reporter.  And yes; I believe she decided to go to Afghanistan because it looked like a good career move.

But the whole "pretty, dumb" thing reminds me of the Amanda Lindhout threads.  Which were also sexist.

 

Do you mind???

This is theater of the absurd. Pretty dumb steno vainly and willingly gives her cheap life to advance the interests of its banckrupt, but shrewd employer.

 

And you don't find this theater rich???

 

And, about dumb, pretty stuff, I didn't look for her. She placed herself right in the middle of the story for our appreciation.

 

You can extoll the value of political correctness all you want, won't bring the dull, pretty one back.


Lou Arab
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KRüüLER wrote:

 

Do you mind???

This is theater of the absurd. Pretty dumb steno vainly and willingly gives her cheap life to advance the interests of its banckrupt, but shrewd employer.

 

And you don't find this theater rich???

 

And, about dumb, pretty stuff, I didn't look for her. She placed herself right in the middle of the story for our appreciation.

 

You can extoll the value of political correctness all you want, won't bring the dull, pretty one back.

Knock it off Kruuler.  Your blood lust for Lang's death is at best unseemly, and at worst sexist, anti-worker, and more than a little creepy. 

Celebrating the death of anyone in Afganistan is not cool.


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Frmrsldr wrote:

Eastwinds wrote:

It will all end soon folks, the occupation will be over, NATO will pull out eventually and Afghanistan can stay the way it was just like so many people would prefer. The taliban will rule there again and we all can get together for some celebration cake.

Hopefully, after the mission fails and Mullah somebody becomes ruler of the land, not one more dollar of my tax dollar is ever sent there as to not upset the way Afghanistan should be. Then again, Mullah somebody will not want to spend any money on the 8 mill+ kids who now go to school anyways...phew, what a relief.

According to the Geneva Conventions, aggressive war is illegal.

That means that Bushs' "Strike First" pre-emptive war doctrine is illegal. That means no vengeance for 9/11. That means regime change is illegal. Most of those convicted at Nuremberg were charged with "regime change" or (to put it another way) waging aggressive war.

Sorry, but in the eyes of international law, that means going to war against a country and its government because you do not like them or what they do, is not on.

The initial war in Afghanistan and our continued presence there is illegal.

We never should have been/shouldn't be there. Period.

So would it have been legal if they had attacked Saudi Arabia  since the 9/11 hijackers were from there?....or is it better that NATO went into a place where the "organization" was hiding and training?

If I remember correctly, the UN voted for the mission in AStan?

Isn't part of the mission to help rebuild and develop AStan?....not an easy task, not a task done overnight etc....and if it can't be done, then that's why I say never send another dollar there after my country's troops are gone, let AStan be the way it was.

I ask many questions of the mission myself. I have my moments of doubt too....but I also ask those who are/were so against the reactions after 9/11, what was the better alternative then what we see today?...simply do nothing?...or what?


KRüüLER
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Lou Arab wrote:

KRüüLER wrote:

 

Do you mind???

 

Knock it off Kruuler.  Your blood lust for Lang's death is at best unseemly, and at worst sexist, anti-worker, and more than a little creepy. 

Celebrating the death of anyone in Afganistan is not cool.

 

Lou "arab",

a) You have deeper roots in blood than I do. Bloodlust is your line of work.

 

b) Sexist, anti-worker. Exactly. I fall for the exploitation of a youthful, but inexperienced person who didn't belong in this theater in the first place, save for a bit of corpofascist exploitation, which was intentional.

 

The pretty, but inexperienced female "actress" was a corporate pawn in a ghoulish play you seem to completely revel in.

 

And you find my calling of it unseemly??????


KenS
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That discussion has been done many times Eastwind. So don't be surprised if the only responses you get are the quick and abusive type. It dosen't mean people are uninterested in fuller answers... just that there are only so many times you can feel like running through the same maze.


Webgear
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Frmsldr

All the districts in Kandahar province are approaches to Kandahar city in one shape or form.

There are no safe areas in warzones; there may be relatively quiet/secure areas however that does not mean there is not a chance of attack.


KRüüLER
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Lou Arab wrote:

KRüüLER wrote:

 

Do you mind???

This is theater of the absurd. Pretty dumb steno vainly and willingly gives her cheap life to advance the interests of its banckrupt, but shrewd employer.

 

And you don't find this theater rich???

Celebrating the death of anyone in Afganistan is not cool.

 

I'm not one to celebrate. The only ones "celebrating" here are mostly you, phony arab, and that other confused mainstream troll well at ease here at Rabble.ca.

Blood lust is all yours too.


KenS
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OK Crueler.

I was waitng to see if you got the hint and went back into the woodwork of your own accord.

You've no doubt been flagged as offensive numerous times. But the moderators cannot be on it full time.

You are not merely a creep. Take your filth elsewhere.


KRüüLER
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KenS wrote:

OK Crueler.

I was waitng to see if you got the hint and went back into the woodwork of your own accord.

You've no doubt been flagged as offensive numerous times. But the moderators cannot be on it full time.

You are not merely a creep. Take your filth elsewhere.

 

Ad Hominen.

You have nothing to say buddy. And you are fcking with my charter rights, you impotent twit.

 

Your lack of anything to say is duely registered.


KRüüLER
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The Globe & Mail is falling over itself to exploit this spectacle.

 

Ghoulish Theater for the mainstream.

 

Bloody New Year, blood-lusters.


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