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Yeah, being informed of the facts won't help. The military is there. In fact every Haitian problem has not been solved by guys with guns since the marines first invaded back in the early 1900s. And they've done such a fine fucking job haven't they? Neo-liberalism and assholes with guns have been terrific for Haiti. An eighty per cent poverty rate, a ruined ecology, a ruined agricultural sector, no infrastructure, no public health, and not even ambulances to carry the injured. But, hey, huge profits for US textile corporation and the pernanent transfer of what little wealth Haitians can deviop to crooked white assholes on Wall St.
What makes life worse for Haitians is ignorant jerks who would inflict upon them more of what has been inflicted one them for some 200 years.
For the sake of argument I am going to assume that you're not a coward and only call police officers pigs over the internet. You bravely stand in a croud and shout out pig and bacon and any other kind of insult you can think of.
Are you a visible minority? If you are then you fuck the rest of us over. You sit there and lip off the white cop in the big ol crowd where he can't do shit.
Fucking pig fucking pig. We pay your salary you can't touch me.
When he gets a visible minority like me or you alone the tables turn and the harassment and bullshit start. He remembers someone that looked like us calling him a fucking pig giving him a hard time and makihis day shitty. Surprise guess who decides to treat us like shit now or fuck us around?
Real smart.
SparkyOne, I have a RIGHT to call them pigs to their faces if I want to. Freedom of expression and all that. Censoring ourselves for fear that the pigs are going to retaliate is ultimately self defeating. Listen up! Pigs are nothing more than the ruling classes tools of oppression. They aren't here to help us but to hurt us. Do they even try to find the guy who raped a sex trade worker? No. Do they try to understand someones problem before deploying a taser and killing him at an airport? No they don't. Do they treat every one equally? Hah! You know the answer to that one. And yet you get all upset over a WORD. That's messed up.
No, I don't assume that no one would volunteer. But, relying on the hope that some folks will volunteer is a pretty poor way to organise a response to any critical and time-sensitive problem.
What happens if you can't find enough volunteers (or enough volunteers soon enough)? Does government then sit on its hands and do nothing without any capacity to act on its own?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigl A history of US involvement in Haiti.
You sure do E.Tamaran. The next time you deal with a cop call him a filthy pig and enjoy your freedom of expression. Enjoy the special attention too.
I wish I could join you but I'll be doing my best to not give the cop an excuse to hate me because of my race or help him justify being a racist.
Teaching tolerance racial and gender sensitivity has to start somewhere and it's not at the tip of your middle finger. We're getting off topic.
Sorry, just learning www.huffingtonpost.com/...quigley/why-the-us-owes-haiti-bil_b_426260.html
Bull shit. Volunteers could be organized and mobilized at a moments notice. Maybe you missed it, but our so-called miliary is an all volunteer force, as is the fire department where I live. Further, volunteers, generally, are motivated for the all the right reasons: they want to help and they can do it without the need for guns, force, and macho posturing. I was a member of a volunteer brigade that went to Iowa after the flooding in the 90s. We were recruited, transported, billeted, fed, and scheduled for work by the Lutheran church all without generals, choppers, and big fucking guns. The military is all about show and flying the flag, The US is using Haiti, as is our cheap fucking PM, as a PR exercise. They move in, take over, show the flag, walk about Clinton, lots of photo ops, but little relief hits the ground. The people doing the real work are the same people who've been doing the real work from before the earthquake, including Cuban doctors, aid workers, and the sacrificed on the alter of Conservative Party hate and racism, Kairos.
Finally the source of your opposition to the word "pig": It's racially and gender insensitive to the pigs to call them pigs. And all these years I thought that calling them pigs was a way to express contempt towards a force of oppression. By the way, I did a quick search to see who else on this site calls them pigs. There's a moderator and a couple a prolific posters among many others:
Michelle: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/10-year-old-doesnt-want-take-shower-arkansas-its-taser-time
Boom Boom: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/out-and-about/whats-happening-locally-2
G-Muffin: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/news-rest-us/they-tell-me-im-straight-white-crazy-woman
Guess we're all wrong to call them pigs.
Whether you call them pigs or not shouldn't matter. What should matter and what is more telling than any single epithet, is that others would worry for their safety and well being from those who "enforce the law" because they can't contenance a meaningless insult from an anonymous poster on a message board. If it's true, that we really should fear them, what does that say about our justice system and those that enforce our laws?
Other way around. It's called not giving them ammunition. I want the police to treat me a human being and not "just some nigger" or a bitch. That starts by not letting them justify treating us like shit. Maybe you'll understand when you're older.
That wasn't the thread where you said good 4 less pigs when the police officers were mudered in the states a couple of months ago and neither the mods nor fellow babblers thought it was a very smart thing to say was it? Yes I think it's still stupid and not helping police - community relations.
I'm talking about in person not on the internet.
The Planet's Plates Created an Earthquake: The Global System Made it A Disaster
http://kasamaproject.org/2010/01/17/haiti-u-s-puppets-intrigues-and-drea...
"US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that the tragedy of this earthquake was that Haiti had been doing so well. What she referred to was an imperialist campaign, spearheaded by her husband Bill Clinton, to consolidate a conservative Haitian government and prepare the workforce for sweatshop investments..
We need to discuss Aristide, Lavalas and the sharp political questions facing Haiti's people - including the roads toward the kind of radical revolution and social change that Haiti and the Caribbean so clearly need."
Haitian volunteers can be organized quickly without the expense and delay of sending thousands of uniformed troops over. What can soldiers do that Haitian volunteers can't do? The decision to send uniformed troops is all about public relations for Canada and the United States. I can appreciate if military doctors and rescue teams are involved. They are most welcome. The vast majority of the soldiers will simply be there to provide "security" for the Haitian client regime, making sure that poor and desparate Haitians don't get "out of control". This is exactly what they are doing now in the slums of Haiti. Do Haitians really need armed soldiers to hand out water and food in the coming weeks?
That is irrelevant. The subtext to your argument is that cops are racist thugs who will mistreat and abuse women and people of color, with impunity, as the perception of a slight so insignificant as a mere verbal insult. In that sense, you are expressing a lower opinion of law enforcement than anyone expressing the word "pig". Worse than that your advice appears to be "shut up and don't make it worse".
Haiti: "Nobody is Coordinating the Aid"
http://konpay.org/en/node/456
"The entire time I spent at the airport I tried to track down who was coordinating the aid but nobody seemed to know, least of all the journalists. One of them said: "nobody is coordinating the aid" The US may have total control over the airport but the distribution does not seem to be so organized."
More than anything, my impression is there is hardly any distribution, at least relatice to the need.."
The International Community Must Let President Jean-Bertrand Aristide Return to Haiti
http://www.narconews.com/Issue63/article4015.html
"They must let him return!" one man said.
You're right FM. My bad. I don't think calling cops pigs when dealing with them is an excellent way to work towards mutual respect but that's just my opinion.
Moving on I'm watching the news and seen some footage from Haiti of the relief aid being handed out it looked like a riot.
They think the death toll might be 200'000? Why is this number so high? Is it because of the buildings and their construction quality or is that number so high from starvation and no access to water and medicine?
Peoples' Solidarity With Haiti
http://www.iacenter.org/haiti/haiti-iac011510/
"Justice for Haiti means immediate aid, reparations, debt cancellation, restoration of President Aristide, asylum for all Haitians and self determination not military occupation.."
4000 inmates escaped prison and roaming the streets. Reports of gangs of looters with machetties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYShPX1clYw&feature=related
Scary
That is an estimate and I'm not siure if its current or a forecast. The immediate dead are a result of the earthquake, collapsed buildings, including hospitals, lack of medial care, public health infrastructure, and material including medicines and basic first aid equipment. But there will risks posed in the coming days and weeks of deaths due to lack of food, clean water, medicines, and diseases such as cholera, typhoid, and others.
The looting is getting bad it seems as we watch TV with the Haitian police out with guns and shooting!
So I guess we (Canadiamn Government) really couldn't have done any better?
Except for the small Dart Team and private NGO'S that have crossed in from the Dominican Republic, I just hear about the military on stand by or enroute. Could they really have not dropped relief item from Helicopters? Would it cause riots
Haitians Receive Little Help Despite Promises
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24422.htm
"World leaders pledged massive aid programmes to rebuild Haiti but desperate earthquake survivors were still waiting on Sunday..."
We see pictures on tv when trucks try to hand out water or food riots start. We also saw a disturbing picture in a Toronto newspaper about people beating a man to death and setting him on fire while he was still breathing.
The Police force did nothing to stop it. I don't know how they will solve it but security is needed and fast. The supplies are there sitting on the tarmac in the airport.
If private NGOS can be there, if the media can be there..I just don't understand why they need so much planning. They have the military for security as well as the UN peace corps..but they still keep saying they can't get in and aid is coming. With the looting NOW they will have the excuse to mobilise the military...
Anywway ...what will happen will happen!
The Military from many countries with their engineers are having problems. The airport is small and they cant land too many planes. The port is full of ships. All that aid and yet the streets are still clogged. They simply cant get through. It's plainly visible on TV.
If you don't trust CNN look at BBC, same pictures. I wonder if you can move your house in one day. Takes planning.
The security are soldiers from South America for the most part. Bolivia is hardly an imperialistic nation. It's easy to sit back in our cosey chairs sipping coffee and poke holes in everything.
Bye the by, Bacchus,
Aircraft carriers are about 2.5 times as fast a a normal ship, have fabulous water generators and carry giant amounts of aircraft fuel.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/cruise-ships-haiti-earthquake
Does not look right to me. There is a Yiddish word for that. CHUTZPA.
Nonsense. The police allowed the mob to take their prisoners and did nothing to stop it. In other reports, men describing themselves as "plainclothes police" were responsible for the summary executions of men who had their hands bound behind their backs. What is happening is not aid, but murder.
Bullshit. Other nations have landed teams and supplies. While aid and workers can't get through, Hilary Clintion can. The US is also a victim of its own pathology. It can deliver warships and heavily armed men but it can't manage logistics, aid, nor assistance.
Read Palast's article.
Getting there fast but empty handed is no help. The aircraft carrier was a show boat. It arrived without food, medicine, doctors, or aid workers but with 19 helicopters.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/17/us-accused-aid-effort-haiti
Just on CNN....Orphanage founder tells CNN that they are located close to the Canadian Embassy and have been to several NGOs over the last couple days but have been turned away...could not get the reason why.They need food for 50 orphans as well as 100s in the surrounding community...
Also, why would moving house be compared to aid? anyway not to focus on negatives
I did see something about an airborne copter handing out food/water