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Saw my shrink today. The Mental Health Act is now irrelevant -- they can't lock me up; they don't have any beds. So, go ahead, call 911 and we'll do the Helter Skelter once again.
God bless you for persevering G. Muffin. You're an inspiration. But I hate this God shtick. Isn't insanity just made up? I could diagnose the majority with it pretty easily by their standards.
You're wanted in another thread, RP. Until then, I'll just say "this God shtick" = "this psychiatry shtick." It's what we use when thinks no longer make sense. Now, me, for instance. I think Andrew Goldstein was a martyr and Kendra Webdale was, according to AG, asking for it. And I hold Sir Paul as responsible as Charles Manson for the Tate murders. I'll probably never have a chance to meet Thomas Szasz (unless I become a Scientologist) but my work is informed by his.
Things haven't made sense for awhile, I haven't visited god or psychiatry and I'm getting better but perhaps not materially.
'sall 'bout keepin' up with the Jones's right?
Do you have more than 805.13 - 620 + 650?
Truer words were never spoken. And I'm jonesing right now. And I have a car. And I can be downtown in about 90 seconds. And I carry Cash.
Sometimes, I get my fix here, much as I wear out my welcome. I hear you G. Muffin, please stay and chat. You've helped me confront alot of my own issues.
Okay, you win. I'll hang out for 90 minutes and then drive to Starbucks.
Any advice for manic behaviour? Because we're starting to drift, I'll point out that I'll liikely be one of these dudes begging for money one day. Can't take the capitalist corporate calumny.
Knock it down with meds, anything that works. And abstain from alcohol. And eat well. Make sure you sleep. Make sure "they" give Emily a Little Room. Take your craziness out for a few laps around the track. Don't try to kill it or it'll kill you.
Not in Victoria, you won't.
Conrad? Is that you?
You're awesome G. Muffin. Thanks.
I've never done good things.
I've never done bad things.
I've never done anything out of the blue.
And you're most welcome, RP. Anytime.
That's good...but could you make it "then drive to a LOCALLY-OWNED coffee shop" instead? No reason giving Big Mermaid any more money than she has to have. That, and the locally-owned brew probably tastes better.
No, I'd have to walk there. I'm at Oak Bay Junction and the Black Stilt is at Richmond & Fort (by the Royal Jubilee Hospital).
So, you think that ..
mentally ill homeless people need no medical treatment?
mental illness is different for people who have homes and those who do not?
the mentally ill homeless have the same access to treatment as those who have support groups?
please explain.
Seroquel is a sedative, and can be abused in the same way blood pressure tablets and sleeping pills can be. It, in itself, has NO euphoric qualities.
Addiction is chemical, not behavioural. There is some talk of "phychological addiction" but that is not the same thing, and it's a bit misleading.
you can be as anti-doctor as you like, it's your right. But they are trying to help you. The lack of beds, and lack of doctors, is a serious problem.
Yes, I do think that.
Yes, I do think that.
Yes, I do think that.
Asked and answered.
Nope. It's a major tranquillizer disgused as an atypical.
Nope. It sells for more than these medications do.
I'm on 300. My maximum daily allowance is 150. Do you really want to argue with me on this point?
You are wrong.
Check out Bruce Alexander. Read Lauren Slater. Study Rat Park. And, once you have a clue, dare to challenge me again and I won't give you the benefit of the doubt, Dershowitz.
First of all, I'm anti-psychiatry not Aunty Doctor. But thank you for asserting my right to my own thoughts. They are not trying to help me. If they were trying to help me, they'd arrest me under the Provincial MHA.
Finally! Your last sentence I somewhat agree with.
ETA: There's no I in team but there are two in "disguise."
Did you just call me Dershowitz? I'm not even Jewish, but if that's a reference to something insulting bear in mind that using specific cultural references to someone from outside that culture is a low blow and very exclusivist :(
ANYway, you'll get no quarrel from me on the CAUSES of addictions. I just had a skim of one of Bruce Alexander's essays and there's nothing wrong with his argument at first glance at least and I'm inclined to agree that there are societal factors involved when it comes to addictions and mental illness. Historically, there seems little doubt about this.
But- and it's a small but - just as when you break your leg and go to hospital, they don't really care how you broke it or what type of tree you fell out of, psychiatrists do approach the problem from a brain-chemical point of view. They are not interested in treating the causes, although they would rather not see you back in the ER two weeks later.
And yes, they are, mostly, trying to help. even with the assumption that they don't "care", it's in their interests to make sure their patients recover.
anyway, they tend to approach substance dependence from the perspective of the substance itself and whether it effects the mesolimbic (?) reward system of the brain. Those that don't are not medically referred to as addictions but as a different disorder. That does not in any way lessen or take away from those other types of dependence, but you have to bear in mind that there are people who will grind up ANYthing they find and try to snort it.
Incidentally, if social dislocation were the sole cause of addiction (I read about Rat Park too), it would not explain why supposedly "rich" or successful people suffer from addictions at the same rate as poorer people, and they do. Often to different things, though.
Sineed clearly knows what she's talking about so could also provide answers.
I thank you for your kind words though I'm too busy at the moment to get into any lengthy discussion.
Briefly, I'll say that substance abuse problems cut across all socioeconomic levels. Sometimes, the only difference between an addict living on the street and one living in a house is the 2nd addict's drug of choice is prescribed by a doctor and paid for by a drug plan. Many street people are addicted to substances that are illegal, which gets them in trouble with the law, which victimizes them further. So pointlessly punitive actions taken against people with addictions are part of the problem and not part of the solution...and on and on I could go, leading this thread on an ever merrier digression.
I won't engage with somebody who corrects me from using Dershowitz as an example of a bright person with a large blind spot on the basis that he's semitic or not semitic or anti-semitic or partially semitic. The "cultural reference" that you missed was the fucking OJ Trial, the Trial of the 20th Century. The Big Scary Black Guy up against the Pretty White Straight Crazy & Dead Woman.
Since Sineed "clearly knows what she's talking about" (and I certainly heartily agree with you, there), I'll be bowing out now as my experience and wisdom seem to be wasted on you (though not on Sineed, strangely enough).
Just want to throw one last zinger your way, though. You're a MorAn. A Fool of the First Division. I'm telling you this in all sincerity and kindness. Mental illness does not appear to be a brain disorder. Ask 9/10 neurologists (start with Valenstein) and you'll get all the persuasion you require. If schizophrenia were a brain disease, we would send patients to a real hospital, not a modified jail cell. "Mental illness" is not a myth; it's a category mistake. See Ryle. See Szasz. Form your own opinion.
Understood. Well, then, if you run into a Wobbly(a member of the Industrial Workers of the World, or IWW for short)and you have a FEW bucks to spare when you do, ask her or him to let you buy an "Organize Starbucks" assessment stamp. This is a little sticker that goes in the Wobbly's membership card book and helps fund their organizing campaign at Big Mermaid. If funds are too tight for that, give it a miss, that's cool, but maybe walk a picket line at the place if they've got one going. Have a good day.
Boy, that was some group hug between Burch and Viking but when it goes over the body of someone that had something to say it turns into tasteless porn and I don't do that. I'm so glad that Michelle tried to stand up against your tirade, gang attack. What was heard? We have three kinds of beggers on my street! THE GUILD, great fresh signs with good copy(they commute to get here from public housing), THE TRANSIENTS, 1/2 good useless kids begging from people that have less than they do and the other 1/2 police informants in training(big academies near here) and then we've got the REGULARS, some unfortunates born here or put here when they shut the shelters down. Actually there's a fourth group of borderline theives that are just desparate and stupid but since the hell's angels run the street they don't get out of hand. Where is your little homily now?
I'm not going to return your abuse, GM.I'm sorry you feel so hostile to those who try to help, but I would rather be honest than be an Enabler. My views are in line with mainstream psychiatry so I really don't need to defend them; I always ask Mrs.V to check my facts anyway as it's her career and 11 years of study, not mine, although I've been involved in the practice for years.
But I will add that 150mg of Seroquel is a very low dose and 300 is nothing spectacular, there are patients on 750 and it really wouldn't harm anyone to take more than 300! Whoever "limited" you to 150 is wrong, unless you are on medication for the other things too.
Psychiatrists aren't the tools of "big corporations", nor is mental illness the result of "capitalism" - particularly as it has been around since the dawn of history and capitalism hasn't.
er...what the hell?
I wasn't going over ANYBODY's body. And Viking and I disagree over all points in this. What on earth were you talking about? There's no way I deserved such a bizarre insult(and I'm not even sure VIKING did).
yeh, you're right, mate, what the f*ck would they know about it? they're only professionals. The internet is a way better source of information!
! :) ;) tx
In Canada? Really? What about Wal-Mart? Unionize --> store closes. We have to be careful what we wish for. I'll support anybody called (with a straight face) a Wobbly. I INVENTED THE WOBBLE! Sure, I've got funds burning a hole in my pocket. How much? And where do I send it? I really can't imagine Starbucks employees going on strike. They grumble and make jokes with me, though. I LOVE Starbucks employees but their coffee sucks. Ken, I think I'm Your Man.
Viking77, hop on over to Bless Me Now With Your Fierce Tears and read my entry on David Foster Wallace. DFW and I have an uncanny amount in common. He killed himself; I didn't. I think I have the right to say that Oldgoat and I know more than you and your wife do on this one, small sliver of a subject. Have A Good Day, Eh?
Sineed, the reason I'm maxed out on 150 Seroquel is because we are introducing Zeldox at 160. Please check your PMs. I slept for four hours last night so I'm very excited and hopeful that Zeldox will be "the one." My pharmacist phoned the BC College of Physicians & Surgeons and they advised me not to do what I am doing. As the alternative is ECT, I'm taking the leap.
The signal to noise ratio is deafening in this thread. If you can't comment intelligently, please RO and M.
As I said, if funds are tight forget it. I didn't mean to imply you had tons of cash. The IWW("Wobblies" was just a nickname their enemies gave them)organize wherever they can.
BTW, other than Wal-Mart, unionization doesn't have to mean store closes.
Have a good day, and I didn't mean to ask anything of you that wasn't fair. Sorry if I did.