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Olympic protest day has arrived in Vancouver

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RevolutionPlease
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It's a conundrum, without the agitation, the media isn't interested.


ReeferMadness
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remind wrote:

Ooops 2500, is the correct amount......who is Chris Shaw?

Shaw is a UBC neuroscientist who has been an outspoken opponent of the Olympics.  He authored the book Five Ring Circus, a critical expose of the Olympics.   He has been complaining of police harrassment in regards to the actions of the ISU well before the games began.    In addition to the CBC, there have been some articles written about him in the Tyee and I think he has appeared in various other local media as well.  He seemed to be a voice of reason in the fight against the Olympics, until his comment on CBC. 

 


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Always interesting to notice how exorcised some people get about some "violence" and not others. This protest is hardly violent by any international standards - funny how some people have no problem with their soldiers killing people in AFghanistan or stripping the resources from Indigenous territories but let some Bank windows get smashed and suddenly they're shocked and appalled by 'anarchist violence'.

 


Le T
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The bottom line is that to be effective, a protest needs to motivate public opinion.  If people run around breaking shit, public opinion will be motivated but in the wrong direction.  Someone needs to make that clear to the protesters, Shaw included.

 

Thanks DAD!!!


kropotkin1951
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I have been to many rallies and marches involving the Art Gallery and I thought there were 3,000 to 5,000 people.  THe march on the street was densely packed for safety from police riot and it stretched for at least two blocks. 

When I hear they trashed the Bay Store I say go for it.  If they begin indiscriminately destroying things in my view that is not good but going after the corporations we are spending over $6 Billion on a party so they can market designs stolen from natives well fuck them.  I hope it affects their business.  If this was France or Italy or Spain they would be counting the burnt wrecks of cars not the dents in the doors.  But then they have people who defend their democracy not their right to party.

I was in the streets with those young people on Friday and they were well behaved out of respect for the Elders that led the march.  They were frustrated with quietly obeying the police orders to stop the march before the Stadium but they stopped and then we merely held our ground.  I didn't realize it but this was the first time that any protesters have gotten as close to the Olympic action in any country. I was proud of the fine young people in black.


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Consider this 1968 Olympic violence:Coverage by that hotbed of anarhcist propaganda the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/2/newsid_354800...

 

 

1968: Student riots threaten Mexico Olympics More than 25 people have been killed during a vicious gun battle in Mexico City just days before the Olympic Games are due to begin.

Thousands of students had gathered for a meeting organised by the National Strike Council in La Plaza de las Tres Culturas in Tlatelolco to protest against the military occupation of the National Polytechnic Institute.

The protesters, many of whom were women and children, had been planning to march through a working-class suburb of the city, but by early evening military personnel in armoured vehicles had surrounded the square.

The Mexican government say "agitator groups" among the students began shooting at the crowds from buildings, which resulted in a 90-minute gun fight.

.......

 

acre the Mexican government, facing one of its worst crises ever, launched a huge cover-up operation.

The death-toll still remains uncertain. Some say it runs into thousands although it is thought to be between 200 and 300. Eye-witnesses say bodies were removed from the scene throughout the night of 2 October in dustbin lorries.

The following day, Avery Brundage, president of the International Olympic Committee, said the Olympics would go ahead, saying none of the violence had ever been directed towards the Olympics.

In October 2003 it emerged that America had played a key role in the massacre.

Amidst fears the riots would disrupt the Olympic Games the CIA had been monitoring the student actions in Mexico daily. As a result they sent military radios, weapons, ammunition and riot control training material to Mexico before and during the crisis.

     

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ReeferMadness wrote:
I noticed a lot of protestors engaging in vandalism - dragging the newspaper boxes around.  Presumably, they were attempting to create roadblocks.  Was that all the work of provocateurs?  I don't know but I doubt it.

And I saw the police standing by and letting that happen, despite the fact that they were well within their rights to arrest those responsible and charge them for vandalism. Funny how everybody is concerned about vandalism yet the authorities just let these events go.


Maysie
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Random thoughts....

"Violence" at protests distracts from the issues that the protesters are protesting. Even we are still doing it. The "tactics" discussion, yes? And around we go again, the MSM dictating what our important issues are.

Societal change. Everyone says it takes a long time to change people's attitudes and to change systems and institutions. I hear this all the time in my work, and I often believe it, but no longer. 

Look at what's happened, just in the short time span of the last 6 months with respect to the olympics in Vancouver. A city by-law was passed restricting any signage of anti-olympic sentiment. The budget for the whole damn thing is so much more than the original budget. Politicos and business/corporate folks are doing business as usual (on steroids. Ha.) and we're allowing it to happen.

Then they throw some "national pride" bullshit and "buy this olympic toque" crap around.

Oh we're getting social change alright. It's just in the other direction.

 


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Funny how those few doing violence casts questions on the credibility of the other protesters in the media.

I guess the billion dollars worth of security will handle the situation OK. Wonder where that money really went. Does anyone think we will get a good accounting.  Wouldn't take much of it to build a good arena in my little town. And boy do we need it.

Unmitigated greed and unseemly competetiveness.  Maybe they are athletic welfare bums, those athletes.


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Against Canada:

http://www.counterpunch.org/thomson02122010.html

"Canadians are a filthy people, diminutive in spirit, tumescent in body, squatting in the ruins of their habitat like shit-smearing homunculae. Small minded they have historically been unable to see the forest for the trees...What a tawdry compensation are these foolish Olympics."


remind
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maysie made this post below in another thread, which sums  it, in particular the part in bold.

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when I think about the cost of all the resources going into the 10 or 14 days of the actual Olympics, never mind the $6 billion cost of everything else, it makes me wanna knock down walls. Among other things. The naked injustice and squandering of so many resources when there are social services begging for funding is so grossly immoral.

Just excellent maysie!

 

Then Kim posted this below in the same thread, which needs to be made current too....

 

"The Council of Canadians just posted a detailed account of what happened Saturday before, during and after the Heart Attack protest.

2010 Heart Attack: Vancouver Olympics Opening Day
He adds this detail that I've yet to see elsewhere: "Early on an apparent agent provocateur moved into the crowd, pushing and taunting marchers before darting to the sidewalk, at times stopping to talk with police before running forward to taunt the crowd again." 

This piece and a number of other blogs on the protest and photos can be found on the new "issue" page: http://rabble.ca/issues/olympics"

 

And to sum it up Al Ar Bee stated:

 

"the ruling elite have, in the form of these olympics, provided a circus for the mindless with money"

 

Also would include in this summation the heartless and souless....


remind
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NDPP, personally I have sent  the Soros crew off a missive stating  to them they are asshats, and asked that they remove me from their mailing list.

 


A_J
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Aristotleded24 wrote:
ReeferMadness wrote:
I noticed a lot of protestors engaging in vandalism - dragging the newspaper boxes around.  Presumably, they were attempting to create roadblocks.  Was that all the work of provocateurs?  I don't know but I doubt it.

And I saw the police standing by and letting that happen, despite the fact that they were well within their rights to arrest those responsible and charge them for vandalism. Funny how everybody is concerned about vandalism yet the authorities just let these events go.

I would hazard to guess that the police figured trying to step in and arrest those knocking over newspaper boxes would be more trouble than it was worth, especially since things were still fairly peacefully at the time.


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From Slavoj Zizek's Violence (2008):

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Opposing all forms of violence, from direct, physical violence (mass murder, terror) to ideological violence (racism, incitement, sexual discrimination), seems to be the main preoccupation of the tolerant liberal attitude that predominates today. An SOS call sustains such talk, drowning out all other approaches: everything else can and has to wait...Is there not something suspicious, indeed symptomatic, about this focus on subjective violence--that violence which is enacted by social agents, evil individuals, disciplined repressive apparatuses, fanatical crowds? Doesn't it desperately try to distract our attention from the true locus of trouble, by obliterating from view other forms ofviolence and thus actively participating in them? According to a well-known anecdote, a German officer visited Picasso in his Paris studio during the Second World War. There he saw Guernica and, shocked at the modernist "chaos" of the painting, asked Picasso: "Did you do this?" P icasso calmly replied: "No, you did this!" Today, many a liberal, when faced with violent outbursts such as the recent looting in the suburbs of Paris, asks the few remaining leftists who still count on a radical social transformation: "Isn't it you who did this? Is this what you want?" And we should reply, like Picasso, "No! You did this! This is the true result of your politics!"


Vansterdam Kid
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ghoris wrote:

As for the suggestion that the violence today was the work of 200 agents provocateurs in the employ of the ISU, while I suppose that's possible Ockham's Razor suggests that this was more likely the work of a few bad apple anarchists who are more interested in smashing things than trying to raise awareness.

This is par for the course for the "Anti-Poverty Committee." The most ironic thing is while they may have a temporary effect in making people more pro-Olympics, by wanting to disassociate themselves from the freak show elements; they're ultimately just that, a freak show. What's causing most sane people, in Vancouver and British Columbia at least, to question the Olympics are very real concerns like the exploding construction costs, the mismanagement of public resources (ie. Various levels of government using taxpayers dollars to choice tickets to events, then hand them out to dignataries that could afford to pay for them themselves), the questionable laws restricting freedom of speech and the lack of priorities in spending money on this thing during one of the toughest recessions in years that has caused the City of Vancouver to make massive budget cuts. Granted some people had been predicting those things for years, but until they started coming true, the average person didn't want to believe it because let's face it, the government did a really good job of making it look like this was going to be a net bonus for Vancouver and SW BC. Maybe a bunch of (these APC types of) protesters will think they're doing something to "fight the power", but ultimately most people, even those who are sympathetic to them, will ignore them to focus on the real (and more mundane fiscal) issues.

Speaking of which, what I think turned Vancouverites against the Olympics was the Olympic Village fiasco. This is what I think really pisses Vancouverites off, the fact that we'd have to sell each condominium in that development for an average of one million dollars just to break even and let's be realistic.... Vancouver is expensive, but you're not going to get one million dollars for a one bedroom or a studio. They'll struggle to get that for a 2 bedroom on the top floor facing north, even if it is new, up to LEED standards, finished with "luxury materials" and near downtown. And to top it all off, this "community" was supposed to be more than just environmentally friendly, it was supposed to be economically inclusive, but to ensure the city doesn't loose too much money all of the social housing components have been sacrificed. Again, when Vancouverites had seen these things that's when most people decided these games were a waste of time and a big fraud.

ReeferMadness wrote:

Le T wrote:

The bottom line is that to be effective, a protest needs to motivate public opinion.  If people run around breaking shit, public opinion will be motivated but in the wrong direction.  Someone needs to make that clear to the protesters, Shaw included.
 


Thanks DAD!!!

Can’t speak for RM, but you're welcome.

Unlike the "anarchist inspired" APC protests, I think the Poverty Olympics was an innovative idea, not sure that it'll move most working or middle class people into thinking money should be spent on the poor as opposed to things that help their own classes, but it sure highlighted the misplaced resources that could've gone into cleaning up places like the Downtown Eastside. Let's face it, most people, even those who are against us spending money on the Olympics are cheering on our Athletes. I for one thing this is a total waste of money and embarrassed that I once thought it was a good idea, but it's happening now, so I'm not going to run around burning cars and driving myself insane with sanctimonious rage. I’ll save my time and money to support anyone who is against us (or anyone else who questions the Corporatisation of the Olympics) hosting the Olympics and spending money on something like this again, but one may as well enjoy what good there is to offer while it’s on. That said, I liked this type of protest because it played on the Olympic theme and turned it into something useful to highlight their issue.


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19th Annual Missing Women's Memorial March

http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/photo/2761

"Numbers were estimated at around five thousand for the march, the largest turnout in its 19 year history.."

In Our Own Words

http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/2917

"Women living in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside weigh in on the Olympics.."


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Balaclava: VMC Olympic Broadsheet Issue 5

http://mostlywater.org/balaclava_vmc_olympic_broadsheet_issue_5

"Today's issue includes reports and photos about Saturday's actions in Vancouver, including a legal update and a round up of absurd Police behaviour.."


kropotkin1951
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http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/2917

"Women living in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside weigh in on the Olympics.."

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One of the many issues we are concerned with are the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympic Games, which we have seen increase poverty and policing in the DTES, Canada’s poorest postal code.

 

On our state media this morning the CBC had a quote from someone they found at the march saying they thought the Olympics were good because they allowed the issue to be focused on.  The BC NDP was also on telling people that it was time to just celebrate and try to get as many bucks out of the event as possible. 

Despair based on sanity always leads some young people to strike back with vandalism.  This branding of the young people in the streets as a "Criminal" element for trashing the Bay is obnoxious totalitarian speak. Also CBC was reporting someone was being charged with a "weapons" offence.  Since they never said the person had a gun I presume the person had a stick or stone in their possession.  But the state media screams weapons offense.  But don't worry that "element" has been under surveillance for quite awhile now and they should all be rounded up soon for the safety and security of everyone.  


Le T
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V Kid, you flipped the quote around and your post is full of lies about burning cars. Could you edit that for clarity/removal of slander?

 

Your post exemplfies the dithering liberal change additude. You take great effort to tell those bad "anarchists" (again people should check the political platform of groups before they parrot anti-anarchy bullshit) that they are really bad and are only helping the Olympics. You speak more like an armchair activist and I question what you have done to raise awareness about the criminal Olympics besides tell other people that what they are doing is wrong.


wage zombie
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I heard that someone arrested or detained (or at least searched) was found to be carrying a hammer in their backpack and that was the weapons charge (assuming you are talking about Saturday).


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==> VANCOUVER POET LAUREATE JOINS OLYMPIC TENT VILLAGE

==> RALLY FOR HOUSING AND OLYMPIC TENT VILLAGE BRINGS ATTENTION TO DOWNTOWN EASTSIDE HOMELESSNESS AND EMPTY HOUSING PROMISES

*** Monday Feb 15th at Noon at Pigeon Park (Carrall and Hastings) ***

Monday Feb 15th - The upcoming 2010 Winter Olympics has escalated the homelessness crisis in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside and the Greater Vancouver area. Since the Olympic bid, homelessness has nearly tripled in the Greater Vancouver Regional Distrct, while real estate and condominium development in the Downtown Eastside is outpacing social housing by a rate of 3:1. Meanwhile, a heightened police presence has further criminalized those living in extreme material poverty in the poorest postal code in Canada.

With the eyes of the world on Vancouver, residents of the Downtown Eastside Women Centre Power of Women Group and supporters are organizing a rally for housing on Monday Feb 15 at noon at Pigeon Park (Carrall and Hastings). An Olympic Tent Village will also be going up to affirm the call for justice and dignity.

Instead of empty lots and empty promises, the Rally for Housing and the Olympic Tent Village calls for:
1. Real action to end homelessness now
2. End condo development and displacement in the Downtown Eastside
3. End discriminatory ticketing, police harassment, and all forms of criminalization of poverty.

On the inaugural evening of the Olympic Tent Village, Vancouver's 2009-2011 Poet Laureate Brad Cran, who has previously declined participation in the Cultural Olympiad, will be reading poetry as part of "Reading Resistance". He will be joined by poets from the Downtown Eastside and across Vancouver, including Mercedes Eng, Cynthia Oka, and Dorothy Trujillo Lusk.


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Here's something that might be useful for critics of the Games ... just to show, perhaps, that we too have a sense of humour about the whole thing. It's an original from yours truly.

Question: The Games have an official logo, an official mascot, official clothing, official top 10 olympic moments, and so on. What is the official sound of the 2010 Games in Vancouver?

 

Answer: Ka-ching!

 

oh yea.


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Good One NB!


A_J
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N.Beltov wrote:
What is the official sound of the 2010 Games in Vancouver?

Answer: Ka-ching!

Canada Post and the Royal Canadian Mint? Why, those are Crown Corporations - would have figured you'd be celebrating this opportunity for good old state-run enterprises to make a buck.


Anyway, coverage of Saturday's protest from the Globe and Mail, detailing some of the charges that were laid, the damage done, and curious behaviour by the organisers in telling the BC Civil Liberties Association to stay away, despite the organisation having been an ally in the past:

The Globe and Mail wrote:
An anti-Olympic march through downtown streets on Saturday morning took a turn after a protester in a black-hooded sweatshirt with his face covered kicked in one of The Bay's windows. A handful of protesters in black threw metal chairs, shattering the window. Then other windows were smashed.

The riot squad - officers with batons and large shields backed up by officers armed with lethal force - appeared on the street moments after the Saturday ward. As the march continued down the street, newspaper boxes were bashed and dragged into the street, and loose-hanging decorations on restaurants and stores were trashed. Bystanders who made critical comments to the protesters were assaulted.

Later Sunday, police said they had released four of the seven people who had been arrested during the Saturday demonstration. Daniel Myers, of Shoreline, Wash., was charged with possession of a dangerous weapon and possession of a prohibited weapon. Mr. Myers, 22, was kept in custody on an immigration matter. Vancouver residents Charlotte Hannah, 23, and Willow Riley, 18, were charged with assaulting a peace officer and released.

The B.C. Civil Liberties Association, a traditional ally of protesters on the street, Sunday condemned the vandalism. David Eby, the association president, said he was "sickened" by the reports of the incident.

Since the start of the torch relay last fall, the civil liberties association has sent trained volunteers to watch some demonstrations and monitor whether the rights of the protesters were violated. However, organizers of the Saturday march specifically asked the association not to attend on Saturday. Mr. Eby said he was not told why the legal observers were not wanted. It was the first time that the association had been asked to not attend a protest, he said

"I had no idea what they had in mind. I thought they were going to do a sit-in on the street ... based on posters they distributed," he said in an interview Sunday. "I had no idea of property destruction and the general thuggery."


wage zombie
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N.Beltov wrote:

Question: The Games have an official logo, an official mascot, official clothing, official top 10 olympic moments, and so on. What is the official sound of the 2010 Games in Vancouver?

My first guess was the helicopters.


remind
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NBeltov, you been down to Beacon Hill Park  to see all the new tents there yet?

 

....word is someone in Vancouver  went to the downtown eastside homeless residents and gave, to those who would accept it, bus tickets, and perhaps  other items of outside living needs such as tents, to travel over to Beacon Hill Park and live for the duration of the games.

 

 


N.Beltov
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Hmm. One more reason to head down to Victoria. Better do it soon.


Vansterdam Kid
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Le T wrote:

V Kid, you flipped the quote around and your post is full of lies about burning cars. Could you edit that for clarity/removal of slander?

 

Your post exemplfies the dithering liberal change additude. You take great effort to tell those bad "anarchists" (again people should check the political platform of groups before they parrot anti-anarchy bullshit) that they are really bad and are only helping the Olympics. You speak more like an armchair activist and I question what you have done to raise awareness about the criminal Olympics besides tell other people that what they are doing is wrong.

 

Oh, I should be more direct, the "Olympic Resistance Network" (as they are the ones who claimed responsibility) is the freak show then. In any case I don't know where I said anything about burning cars. If you'd like to know about slander you should probably look it up in the dictionary.

In any case, I found this picture apt:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jessewhitehead/4354217979/

And low and behold there was property damage.


kropotkin1951
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Hey VanK would you remove your link to that misogynist picture.

It is not apt it is offensive. 


Bacchus
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What makes it misogynist? The douchebag reference the woman makes in her sign?


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