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Olympic protest day has arrived in Vancouver

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remind
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Good catch kropotkin, I have flagged it.


kropotkin1951
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Bacchus wrote:

What makes it misogynist? The douchebag reference the woman makes in her sign?

I have no idea you urinal.


Bacchus
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Krop it was a honest question, not deserving of a personal attack


A_J
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Is it really necessary to censor a citizen-journalist's photos of Saturday's protest? Just because what the photos reveal may be inconvenient doesn't justify hiding them.


kropotkin1951
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If the content is misogynist then it can be other places it doesn't need to be here.  


NorthReport
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Vancouver Games continue downhill slide from disaster to calamity

Snowboarding nonsense is the latest fiasco threatening to make these Games the worst in Olympic history

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/15/vancouver-winter-olympics-2010


A_J
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NorthReport wrote:
Vancouver Games continue downhill slide from disaster to calamity

Snowboarding nonsense is the latest fiasco threatening to make these Games the worst in Olympic history

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/15/vancouver-winter-olympics-2010

Might have been an interesting article if it weren't for the numerous factual errors:

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The former IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch had a habit of signing off at the closing ceremony of every Olympics by calling it "the best Games ever".

Samaranch's "greatest games ever" quote is notable because he actually said it just once, at Lilihammer in 1994, specifically because those were excellent winter games.

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Did the IOC make a mistake in giving the Games to Vancouver, the most southerly city to be granted the " honour"?

Most southerly city in Canada to host the games, sure, but someone needs to buy this Lawrence Donegan character a globe. Vancouver is actually the third most northerly host, after Lilihammer and Calgary. Turin was further south and you'd have to be pretty dumb to overlook the fact that Salt Lake City, being a city in a country directly below Canada, is also probably south of any city in Canada.


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Resistance Casts Pall Over 2010 Olympic Festivities

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50325

"The 2010 Winter Olympics opened with the largest protest convergence in the history of the Games...The march itself was led by Native Elders, while the most prominent chant heard was No Olympics on Stolen Native Land.."


Vansterdam Kid
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Hey VanK would you remove your link to that misogynist picture.

It is not apt it is offensive. 

Rollseyes. Get a grip, eh. Most people know full well that "douche bag" is a synonym for jerk/idiot and is associated almost exclusively with men who tend to act more jerky and violent than women. But yeah, judging by the woman who said it, she sounds like a real misogynist. You know that infantalizing comment of yours is yet another reason I don't think this brand of politics will gain any traction with people. But go ahead, see how far it will get you.

http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Olympics2010/2010/02/13/VandalizingDouch...

Some of the comments on this story are interesting, including this one:

Yellow Dog @ The Tyee wrote:

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This is sweet. I've known this gal for many years and is a good friend. Left wing, compassionate, very intelligent and..oh yeah, very dangerous to ones' ego if you pull a stupid in front of her. er.. I would know.
What is so funny about this is that she is a very private person, nothing in particular to hide, just finds that today's constant need for self promotion kinda weird. So something really, really irked her to put her name and face out there, hold a small sign and use her super powers to [and as per usual, effectively] mock some douchebags.
See, she had no intention of doing any of this on her wander through our neighborhood, I think she scammed the cardboard off some clerk in Staples, she [a veteran %&*-disturber] got pissed off watching a peaceful, if mostly aimless, protest march get highjacked by Langara art student dropouts [I'm guessing :] out to prove how much they hate their parents.
Seriously, busting stuff up for the moral high-ground is what you do to get laid if you can't play guitar. You get to wear black, tight commando gear, swing a hammer and brag agout getting gassed... and post riot sex... ah, the good old days. Yep, I was once a douchebag. But I did not ever whinge about police brutality.

Anyhoo, don't be a bunch of babies. Because you [I mean ORN] decided to invite the imbeciles, a protest march got taken over and wrecked to the point where if you now march in this community on this subject there will be no support. None.
And you got effectively mocked by one woman with one small sign.
Live and learn.
Seriously, LEARN!

Although to be fair this poster called Isabella Mori "a gal", so they're probably a corporate apologist/imperialist liar.


NorthReport
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Actually most of these protests are self-defeating. All they will effectively do is ensure that the Olympics will have a larger security bill than they would otherwise. Strange results for people who are supposedly so concerned money is being spent inappropriately.


Le T
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Oh, I should be more direct, the "Olympic Resistance Network" (as they are the ones who claimed responsibility) is the freak show then. In any case I don't know where I said anything about burning cars. If you'd like to know about slander you should probably look it up in the dictionary.

Here is what you said you lying liar:

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I for one thing this is a total waste of money and embarrassed that I once thought it was a good idea, but it's happening now, so I'm not going to run around burning cars and driving myself insane with sanctimonious rage.

 

Slander is when you publicly write something about someone that is not true that could injure them. Like if someone was under arrest for property damage and you wrote about how they had burned cars.

Also, you still haven't fix the quote that you wrongly attribute to me.


A_J
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Le T wrote:
Here is what you said you lying liar:

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I for one thing this is a total waste of money and embarrassed that I once thought it was a good idea, but it's happening now, so I'm not going to run around burning cars and driving myself insane with sanctimonious rage.

Ah, I see. Because Vansterdam isn't going to do something, that implies that someone did?

That's, uh, some "unique" logic there.


Vansterdam Kid
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I said that that is something "I'm not going to do", I didn't say that was something they did (even though they went around causing property damage, including smashing up cars... which I have to say ohhh, big fucking difference between smashing shit up for political ends and lighting it on fire for political ends, clearly one is waaay more noble. Right?). But hey, I'm sure a court of law will really take what some people infer through rhetorical typing on the internets under fake handles as grounds for slander. Here's some money ORN for I have beseeched thine good name. Thou honourable group can use money I give thou to pay thine other legal fees when thou are taken to court for property damage of a non-fire related variety.

As for the quote, it's probably too late to edit it and if I did the time stamp wouldn't make any sense (I'm still figuring out the HTML on this website as I don't visit it nearly as much as I used to). But let the record state that I was actually quoting you (Le T) who was replying to ReeferMadness. I'm sure anyone who reads this whole thing can figure that out, but whatevs.


Le T
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This is the first I've heard of smashed cars, V kid. Do you have a link?

It's called context A_J. Get a clue.


A_J
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Le T wrote:
It's called context A_J. Get a clue.

Whatever, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it . . . though just to be clear, I'm not implying that you will Wink


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Le T wrote:

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The bottom line is that to be effective, a protest needs to motivate public opinion.  If people run around breaking shit, public opinion will be motivated but in the wrong direction.  Someone needs to make that clear to the protesters, Shaw included.

Thanks DAD!!!

You're welcome.

And the cost of those windows is going to come out of someone's allowance.


Pogo
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I found the protest pointless to the point of being counter productive.  Way back I started a thread about the boundaries of protest, and lead off with Martin Luther King's views.  http://www.rabble.ca/babble/activism/boundaries-protest  No one responded.  I guess some protesters don't acknowledge any boundaries.


A_J
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Pogo wrote:
I found the protest pointless to the point of being counter productive.  Way back I started a thread about the boundaries of protest, and lead off with Martin Luther King's views.  http://www.rabble.ca/babble/activism/boundaries-protest  No one responded.  I guess some protesters don't acknowledge any boundaries.

Thank you for the link in your other thread, very interesting.

I guess the problem is comparing the anti-Olympic cause to Dr. King in the first place. The anti-Olympic movement barely even has a single unified cause (Is it First Nations' rights? The environment? Capitalism? Water? Afghanistan? Poverty?), and even then, can anyone say, with a straight face, that the Olympics are actually "evil", like the opposition faced by Dr. King and the Civil Rights movement? At the end of the day it's a disagreement about government spending, government spending approved by the citizens of Vancouver in a plebiscite and supported by the three successive mayors they elected, and in British Columbia by a premier so hated he's only been re-elected twice since the city won the bid.

So I'm not sure what that has to do with violence . . . just this ain't the civil rights movement and while 99% of Olympic opponents are peaceful I can see how it might ultimately lack the faith and conviction necessary for a truly successful and productive movement like that mounted by Dr. King and others.


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In Defence of the Black Bloc: A Communique From Olympic Resisters

http://mostlywater.org/node/83327

"...You won't ever know who was in the black bloc this weekend, but you *do* know us. We are the people who organize community potlucks, who dance during street festivals, who make art, defend the land, build co-ops, bicycles and community gardens. When we put on our black clothing, we are not a threat to you, but to the elites..

Whoever you are, one day you will join us. As long as government and corporations attack our communities, we're going to defend - and that means attack."


Centrist
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If you want to protest the Olympics in Vancouver that may be a bad idea considering how public opinion has now turned in their favour. I would also hope that Carole James jumps on the band wagon in order for the NDP to capitalize upon same:

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British Columbians give Opening Ceremony a Gold Medal

Majority of viewers felt proud to be Canadian (90%) and enjoyed the event overall (88%)

Olympic Excitement in BC Rises (78% very/somewhat 'excited' compared to a week ago 53%)

 "Friday's highly anticipated Opening Ceremony clearly struck a chord with the people of British Columbia," says Steve Mossop, President of Market Research Canada West for Ipsos.

All aspects of the Opening Ceremony received excellent and good ratings by over eight in ten viewers including the overall enjoyment of the event (88%), the way Vancouver and the province were portrayed (88%), the selection of the stars and celebrities (88%), and the selection of Wayne Gretzky as the final torchbearer (85%).

It appears that excitement levels for the Olympic Games are rising among British Columbians after the initially hesitant anticipation about the Games prior to their start. Nearly eight in ten British Columbians (78%) are very or somewhat excited about the Games -- a full 25 points higher from a poll released last week (53% very/somewhat excited).

This rising excitement levels in the host province have translated into a growing number saying that they are currently following the Olympic events. Over seven in ten (74%) British Columbians are following the games very or somewhat closely.

"British Columbians are very proud of every aspect of the games thus far, and the level of excitement continues to build as the Games progress," adds Mossop "Ratings are through the roof on nearly every element of the Games this far, the optimism is pervasive".

 http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?&id=4682


midnight_flower
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I really liked this lady's words.


Maysie wrote:

"The criticisms about Vancouver have nothing to do with their ability to "hide their poverty" which is a fascinating and rather disgusting phrase.

Carting off, or arresting the poor and the homeless to "hide them" from the media during big scale international events is what cities do, and Vancouver is no different. Pointing this out, however, and the immorality of excess in the face of poverty, homelessness and desperation deserves front and centre attention.

And hey, here's a radical wacky idea! How about instead of trying to "hide" poverty, cities actually spend money to help alleviate, decrease and eliminate poverty? Even when there's NO big international dog and pony show in town? Hmmm? FFS."

 

 

 


thorin_bane
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Oh you mean like the billions spent on the the water olympics. No planning and waste of money that could have helped MANY MANY people


Kaspar Hauser
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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

In Defence of the Black Bloc: A Communique From Olympic Resisters

http://mostlywater.org/node/83327

"...You won't ever know who was in the black bloc this weekend, but you *do* know us. We are the people who organize community potlucks, who dance during street festivals, who make art, defend the land, build co-ops, bicycles and community gardens. When we put on our black clothing, we are not a threat to you, but to the elites..

Whoever you are, one day you will join us. As long as government and corporations attack our communities, we're going to defend - and that means attack."

"When we put on the black clothing, we are not a threat to you, but to the elites."  Postscript: I guess we're also a threat to any of you whose demonstrations are taken over by our superhero theatrics, whose causes are discredited by our self-righteous tantrums, and who are blasted by tear gas, arrested, or otherwise abused because we have thrown a few too many marbles and other sundries at police officers. 

 


G. Muffin
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I did my part. I got arrested. 


kropotkin1951
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THe media spin from the local outlets is quite interesting.  Boasterism at a gold medal standard.

I prefer the international media's view that calls these the Glitch Games and are appalled at Canada's crass Own the Podium program that is the antithesis of the collegial international competition that the Olympics CLAIMS to be about.

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But aside from that, it's been one problem after another for a games governed not so much by the Olympic creed as by Murphy's Law.

It started at the opening ceremony. One of the four legs of an indoor cauldron malfunctioned when it was supposed to rise out of the floor, leaving the structure awkwardly imbalanced and one torchbearer with nothing to do.

And leave it to the Vancouver Games to run into trouble with not one but two Olympic flames.

The outdoor cauldron, on the picturesque waterfront, has been protected by an unsightly chain-link fence, and even that is partly obscured by Vancouver 2010 banners, making photo-snapping difficult.

At a press conference, a Canadian TV reporter asked organizers why the flame was hidden behind "a ratty-looking prison-camp fence." And the Globe and Mail newspaper chose to allude to another Olympic city — Berlin.

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And the press in Britain — which gets the next Olympics — is gleefully skewering Vancouver. "London 2012 can't be worse than the Vancouver Games this winter," went the headline in The Times of London.

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hu2oj8S8HMHyJ8IuBCo7Jc...


remind
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And today Colbert shows up and sets up shop.......


Skinny Dipper
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I think it is nice that VANOC is moving the cauldron chain-link fence 25 meters closer and adding Madonna-style porn-holes cut through the fence for cameras.

Madonna video: Open Your Heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OwOSfwk1M


remind
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North Vancouver apparently has a good view of it, must have been why it was positioned where it was, so North Van could have a good view of it.


G. Muffin
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Yah, I was born there but I'm not allowed to attend.


A_J
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kropotkin1951 wrote:
I prefer the international media's view that calls these the Glitch Games and are appalled at Canada's crass Own the Podium program that is the antithesis of the collegial international competition that the Olympics CLAIMS to be about.

Except that more or less every country has funding and training programs in place to maximise medals at the Olympics. China has Project 119 and the UK, where most of the whining appears to be coming from (most likely aimed at making London 2012 look much better in comparison) has Mission 2012.


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