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Own the podium has become a national embarasment

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Scott Piatkowski
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We do own the podium. It's just that, in most cases, people from other countries are standing on it. Wink


NorthReport
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Time to replace Brodeur - 2nd request. Oh well, at least the women's hockey team will do us proud! The boys can't keep up any more.Wink


Sven
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Scott Piatkowski wrote:

We do own the podium. It's just that, in most cases, people from other countries are standing on it. Wink

Laughing


bekayne
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DaveW wrote:

NR, we are at the halfway mark,

 and the chief of Own the Podium himself noted before the Games that the first half contained many fewer potential medal wins for Canada than the second, and hence predicted that Germany would lead Canada by 2-1 at this point

exactly correct

he predicted that Canada would then surge and likely finish 2nd-3rd overall

 

 

Canada won 29 medals in World Championships last year (6 of them Gold). 11 of those were in events that have been completed (as of Jan 21)


Caissa
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COC's new programme: Loan the Podium.


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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I'd just like to say: pwn the odium, Mr. Harper.


Unionist
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Growin' the opium.

 


Boom Boom
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A Montreal Gazette article this morning suggests Canada will end up with its best Winter Games medal haul ever, but won't necessarilly finish at the top.

 

Famous last words?

 

excerpt:

 

Canada, however, expects to pick up from 11 to 13 medals in the last four days, and trails the Americans in the gold-medal standings by just three.

 

"This may have been the U.S. week - the week coming up will be Canada's week," Chambers said.


ReeferMadness
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remind wrote:

ReeferMadness wrote:
remind wrote:
personally, I see nothing wrong with it, if you are going to go down the Olympic trail in the first place....as every country expends  millions to see their athletes win, so why in hell should Canada be any different....?

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

There is a direct relationship between the amount of money countries spend on their elite athletes and how many medals they bring home. Check this link for more details. Very poor countries bring home no medals because they can't afford to spend money on their athletes.  I find it bizarre that people who claim to have progressive views would defend spending on such an elitist and corporatist cause.

If you're interested in promoting healthy living, it would be far better to give the money to minor sport directly.

 

Try reading what I said, as opposed to what you think I said.....hint it starts with "if"

 

Have been opposed to the Olympics all along for decades actually now...however in the Olympic framework mentality there is not a damn thing wrong with paying to win....

 

what is wrong is the whole damn thing, so keep your "not progressive"  nonsense to yourself, it is boring, and a personal attack, which is decidedly not progressive in itself....

Maybe you should re-read what you wrote.  It was obviously a rationalization for pumping millions of dollars into elitist pursuits.  Just because other countries do it, we should too??


contrarianna
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"Own the podium" is an embarrassment regardless of the number of medals won. Paradoxically, the more absurd it seems the better for the nation.

Hitler perfected the Olympics spectacle model of jingoism with a smiley face.
If the propaganda circus could work for him (and it did), is it little wonder that politicians of all stripes fall over themselves, crush domestic needs, and put their nations in debt for a few moment of "glory" in the reviewing stands?

Quote:
Hitler Triumphant

Germany emerged victorious from the XIth Olympiad. Its athletes captured the most medals overall, and German hospitality and organization won the praises of visitors. Most newspaper accounts echoed Frederick Birchall's report in The New York Times that the Games put Germans “back in the fold of nations,” and even made them “more human again.” Some even found reason to hope that this peaceable interlude would endure. Only a few reporters, such as foreign correspondent William Shirer, regarded the Berlin glitter as merely hiding a racist, militaristic regime:

    “I'm afraid the Nazis have succeeded with their propaganda. First, the Nazis have run the Games on a lavish scale never before experienced, and this has appealed to the athletes. Second, the Nazis have put up a very good front for the general visitors, especially the big businessmen” (Shirer's diary, Berlin, August 16, 1936)...


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/olympics.html


Noah_Scape
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Owning the Embarrassment

  VANOC and COC have admitted that Canada "cannot own the podium now, with the USA too far in the lead for us to catch up in the medal count". In fact, we might even end up behind Korea.

  "Owning the Podium" is very UN-Canadian anyhow, it is just not like us. We don't want to "own" it, we just want to get there when we deserve it. Doesn't "owning the podium" sound like a big bully talking? It is not us.

 Also, it never felt THIS bad before, and I blame the "Own the Podium" program for that. I would have been content if Canada's Olympic athletes were doing the usual "finishing just out of the medals since 1896" if we had never heard predictions and expectations of "owning the podium".

  PS - we might end up with only 12 medals, which would be the lowest total since 1994 when Canada won 13 medals.


Boom Boom
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Noah_Scape wrote:
 PS - we might end up with only 12 medals, which would be the lowest total since 1994 when Canada won 13 medals.

I don't care how many medals Canada wins, but my prediction is that Canada will be closer to 20 medals overall, not 12.


Sven
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Boom Boom wrote:

Noah_Scape wrote:
 PS - we might end up with only 12 medals, which would be the lowest total since 1994 when Canada won 13 medals.

I don't care how many medals Canada wins, but my prediction is that Canada will be closer to 20 medals overall, not 12.

My guess is that Canada will exceed 20 medals.


Sean in Ottawa
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If we were to respect the idealism that is supposed to be behind the Olympics rather than the reality we see then we should reverse the approach and produce a Canadian approach.

1) do not spend money trying to bring the Olympics here

2) invest some of the money in to athletes who can compete

3) invest some of the money in to healthier living and sport for all Canadians

4) invest some of the money in to a program to adopt other countries -- share and link directly to athletes who are competing from countries who cannot support them --(You could call this "share the podium") We could help with their training and equipment. Effectively double what we do- but have half go to our athletes and the other half support athletes from developing countries. I think that would create a lot of good will and Olympic spirit. We would be invested in those people.

Given how massively expensive it is to host the Olympics not doing so could do all the above as well as support our own people where they need health care etc.

I came up with the 4th because I am so struck by the greed of the Olympics. The ad for the Olympics I actually like was the story of the Norwegian coach who gave the Canadian a ski pole after she broke hers. The idea of helping each other is much more modern than this taking any advantage to get whatever hardware we can buy.

I also would like to see a real cost of the Olympics calculated- has anyone done this? -- there is a financial cost that is net of course for any revenue-- but there is also human costs-- it would be interesting is anyone put them in the same place.


Polly B
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CBC on my way home had bits of interview with a (CanOC?) official.  Lamenting that the "own the podium" program has fallen so short of owning the podium, he stated that post olympics they would..."eviscerate the program to the nth degree" in order to find out what they had done wrong.

Huh?


formerlibertarian
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I agree with "Sean in Ottawa", I think all that money would be far better spent promoting the health of all Canadians, including an increase in funding to minor sport, youth programs, and school nutrition.  $6 billion dollars to procure the games would have gone a long way in improving the infrastructure of this country's health care system.  From a selfish standpoint, the $110 million spent on "owning the podium" would have done much to address the plight of the homeless where I live (Toronto).

As much as I enjoy seeing Canadians win medals, I also appreciate seeing the excitement in the faces of those from other nations who do the same.  I'd rather the Olympics be a competition among true amateurs, without so much focus on who wins what, and if we stopped trying to buy medals we'd likely win less sure, but then winning a medal would mean more.


Boom Boom
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Are the NHL players getting paid to play in these games???


Sean in Ottawa
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No, they are already loaded by big salaries from the NHL-- so yeah they are getting paid but not for this specifically.


NorthReport
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The Canadian dream is dead. The Americans own our podium. Wink

 

Own The Podium dream is over; Canadian officials say Americans have too many medals to catch up

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hmEgRu0B7ZD...


Boom Boom
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Thanks, Sean.


ReeferMadness
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The Olympics is proof of the old adage that you can ruin anything by throwing enough money at it.


Sven
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ReeferMadness wrote:

The Olympics is proof of the old adage that you can ruin anything by throwing enough money at it.

You know, that's not a bad quote.  I would slightly modify it thusly:

Quote:

The Olympics and government are proof of the old adage that you can ruin anything by throwing enough money at it.


Fidel
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NorthReport wrote:

The Canadian dream is dead. The Americans own our podium. Wink

... and our gas and oil, massive mounts of hydroelectric power, minerals and timber rights in Bananada. And if that's not enough, Steve the penultimate stooge wants to hand more of our Northern Puerto Rico to Yanqui imperialists. 22 percent of Banadians voted for this stooge, and he will sell what's left of Bananada out from under our feet for a bit of kick-back and graft. And I don't think it's for that much money or anything. I think Steve and his stoogeocrats are all pretty cheap dates like their US counterparts are in Warshington. They'd sell their mothers for a song.


j.m.
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Sven wrote:

ReeferMadness wrote:

The Olympics is proof of the old adage that you can ruin anything by throwing enough money at it.

You know, that's not a bad quote.  I would slightly modify it thusly:

Quote:

The Olympics and government are proof of the old adage that you can ruin anything by throwing enough money at it.

*Groans*. This old adage comes to mind: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

 


Pogo
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Canadian NHL players are eligible for a $20K bonus (if they win gold, $15K for silver and $10K for Bronze). US players are eligible for a $25K bonus. So far the Canadian players have done their best to make this a moot point.


Aristotleded24
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For what it's worth, at least Canada finally won gold at home.


NorthReport
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I'm curious. It the Canadian women's hockey team played the Canadian men's hockey team in a hockey game, what would the final score be!  


Bookish Agrarian
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4 marriage proposals, 1 broken nose, and 7 missing teeth.


Sven
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NorthReport wrote:

I'm curious. It the Canadian women's hockey team played the Canadian men's hockey team in a hockey game, what would the final score be!  

It depends.  Who's in net for the men, Brodeur or Luongo?


Caissa
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Do they use Men's or Women's rules?


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