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How soon people forget about amalgamation. Mario Siva used to represent Ward 3 while Martin Silva represented Ward 4 and Joe Pantelone represented Ward 5. As a result of amalgamation in 1997 the ward map was redrawn with two councillors for each ward. Pantalone, Silva and Silva all ran in the new ward of Trinity-Niagara which included much of what is now Giambrione's ward and Martin Silva ended up being the odd man out.
I haven't. I think amalgamation has been a disaster, but as soon as you say that you're "living in the past."
ETA: So Martin Silva tried to represent (part of) Davenport, but he never could. He only actually represented Trinity-Spadina - he was elected in the "Trinity" part and serve as a replacement for Olivia in the "Spadina" part.
Martin never represented Davenport. The Portuguese rep for Davenport was Mario who was elected first in 1994.
Exactly. And as previously mentioned, Mario Silva was 1994's municipal giant-killer for upsetting Tony O'Donohue--funny how that's been lost in the woodwork.
I don't see the point of this "Portuguese rep" argument though. It's true there would be nothing "historic" about Davenport electing another Portuguese councillor - it is about 30% Portuguese after all - it doesn't mean they'll somehow be less inclined to vote for a Portuguese rep again. I certainly wouldn't count out Ana Bailao who pulled a respectable 40% showing against Giambrone in 2003 and will almost certainly have Mario Silva's machine working for her.
The runner-up from last-time Simon Wookey has run over to the very crowded Ward 27. He was probably a terrible fit for Ward 18. I recall his candidacy sure getting a lot of attention on rabble.
The runner-up from last-time Simon Wookey has run over to the very crowded Ward 27. He was probably a terrible fit for Ward 18. I recall his candidacy sure getting a lot of attention on rabble.
Mostly because his campaign manager showed up here, posted a lot of uncomplementary stuff about Giambrone (nothing related to his current difficulties) and ended up getting banned for unrelated reasons.
Though I recall there being some unfair attacks on Simon Wookey also, when people tried to suggest that his nephew's trouble with the law reflected negatively on him somehow. Kind of nice not to be able to retrieve those threads.
While it's certainly nice and all that Smitherman is adopting why issue a press release announcing it? All he does is makes his getting a child look like a cynical, calculated, political move of some sort.
That was my conclusion precisely! They haven't adopted yet, and the poor kid has already been politicized. I think he's just playing a sort of enlightened "family values" card - distinguishing himself from that Giambrone cad.
I think I read that Smitherman had set the wheels in motion to try to adopt a couple of years ago. Are people suggesting that since Giambrone's girlfriend was just "there for political reasons", we should assume the same about Smitherman's child to be??
I think you're making something out of nothing. People in public life put out press releases to announce that they are getting married 9and sometimes divorced) or that they gave birth to a child etc...so why is this any different. When you consider that just a few years ago there would have been universal horror at the very idea of a gay couple adopting
Actually, publicists for celebrities put out such announcements. I don't recall it happening a lot for politicians. I could see Smitherman mentioning it the next time a media outlet does an extensive feature interview with him but a press release? Really? And when the adoption isn't even official yet? It does smack a bit of Giambrone deciding to suddenly tell the world that he has a partner.
I think I read that Smitherman had set the wheels in motion to try to adopt a couple of years ago. Are people suggesting that since Giambrone's girlfriend was just "there for political reasons", we should assume the same about Smitherman's child to be??
Exactly. That would be dumb. It takes quite a while to adopt a child.
Well you're free to believe that and not tolerate that kind of relationship, but if other people (including politicians) do that it's none of anyone's business.
As I recall former Tory Premier Ernie Eves was pretty open about screwing Isabel Basset while he was still married and then he very openly dumped his long suffering wife who had raised his two kids into a garbage heap so he could co-habit with Isabelita and go to high society parties! Of course Isabel was smart enough to make sure that Ernie would never get his grubby hands on her fortune and wouldn't marry him.
Spotted at City Hall today: A Layton.
No, not Jack -- his 31-year-old environmentalist son, Michael, who visited the monthly council meeting to drum up support for a possible run in Joe Pantalone's old fiefdom.
Layton the younger is weighing a bid in Ward 19 Trinity-Spadina, one of the few municipal ridings without an incumbent in the 2010 race. (Mr. Pantalone has said he won't parachute back into the council race if his mayoralty bid falters.)
Michael, the deputy outreach director for Environmental Defence, has lived in the ward west of downtown most of his life. He's been busy meeting with local groups since Mr. Pantalone announced he's running to replace David Miller.
Michael expects to make his final decision in the next couple of weeks.
Ken Chan, Smitherman's former aide and lickspittle, is now officially running in Ward 27.
Chan has returned to Toronto after a stint working for BoJo in London.
Bad enough that Smitherman looks set to be Mayor but do we really need Smithers on council as well?
Martin never represented Davenport. The Portuguese rep for Davenport was Mario who was elected first in 1994.
I haven't. I think amalgamation has been a disaster, but as soon as you say that you're "living in the past."
ETA: So Martin Silva tried to represent (part of) Davenport, but he never could. He only actually represented Trinity-Spadina - he was elected in the "Trinity" part and serve as a replacement for Olivia in the "Spadina" part.
anyways, the point is that contrary to what some people posted - Ward 18 HAS had a Portuguese city councillor in the past.
Exactly. And as previously mentioned, Mario Silva was 1994's municipal giant-killer for upsetting Tony O'Donohue--funny how that's been lost in the woodwork.
I don't see the point of this "Portuguese rep" argument though. It's true there would be nothing "historic" about Davenport electing another Portuguese councillor - it is about 30% Portuguese after all - it doesn't mean they'll somehow be less inclined to vote for a Portuguese rep again. I certainly wouldn't count out Ana Bailao who pulled a respectable 40% showing against Giambrone in 2003 and will almost certainly have Mario Silva's machine working for her.
The runner-up from last-time Simon Wookey has run over to the very crowded Ward 27. He was probably a terrible fit for Ward 18. I recall his candidacy sure getting a lot of attention on rabble.
Mostly because his campaign manager showed up here, posted a lot of uncomplementary stuff about Giambrone (nothing related to his current difficulties) and ended up getting banned for unrelated reasons.
Since we spent so much time on Giambrone's personal life, I guess we should give Smitherman equal time:
Smitherman one step closer to adopting baby
Though I recall there being some unfair attacks on Simon Wookey also, when people tried to suggest that his nephew's trouble with the law reflected negatively on him somehow. Kind of nice not to be able to retrieve those threads.
While it's certainly nice and all that Smitherman is adopting why issue a press release announcing it? All he does is makes his getting a child look like a cynical, calculated, political move of some sort.
That was my conclusion precisely! They haven't adopted yet, and the poor kid has already been politicized. I think he's just playing a sort of enlightened "family values" card - distinguishing himself from that Giambrone cad.
I think I read that Smitherman had set the wheels in motion to try to adopt a couple of years ago. Are people suggesting that since Giambrone's girlfriend was just "there for political reasons", we should assume the same about Smitherman's child to be??
Stock, I think the point you missed appears succinctly here [emphasis added]:
I think you're making something out of nothing. People in public life put out press releases to announce that they are getting married 9and sometimes divorced) or that they gave birth to a child etc...so why is this any different. When you consider that just a few years ago there would have been universal horror at the very idea of a gay couple adopting
Actually, publicists for celebrities put out such announcements. I don't recall it happening a lot for politicians. I could see Smitherman mentioning it the next time a media outlet does an extensive feature interview with him but a press release? Really? And when the adoption isn't even official yet? It does smack a bit of Giambrone deciding to suddenly tell the world that he has a partner.
Exactly. That would be dumb. It takes quite a while to adopt a child.
Did Giambrone ever put out a press release that he had a partner?
Looks like Kristyn Wong-Tam has declared she's running. Though she's yet to file her papers.
Well he introduced his girlfriend at his campaign launch, didn't he?
The point is that it is not acceptable for someone to be having multiple relationships with other people when they have a permament partner at home.
Well you're free to believe that and not tolerate that kind of relationship, but if other people (including politicians) do that it's none of anyone's business.
Augustus, you need to devote more time to catching up with the threads before you dive back in.
For entertainment value we require something more than automated spewing of talking points.
It could be that the permanent partner knows and approves - not that that's what happened here but it could.
As I recall former Tory Premier Ernie Eves was pretty open about screwing Isabel Basset while he was still married and then he very openly dumped his long suffering wife who had raised his two kids into a garbage heap so he could co-habit with Isabelita and go to high society parties! Of course Isabel was smart enough to make sure that Ernie would never get his grubby hands on her fortune and wouldn't marry him.
That's family values Tory style!
Not to cheaply Tory-bash, but wasn't it sort of similar with Mike Harris, Sharon Dunn, etc?
2003 Ward 27 runner-up Enza Anderson running again
Michael had been rumoured as a candidate in the northern part of Toronto-Danforth (currently represented by the retiring Case Ootes).
Given that the left came within 20 votes of knocking off Ootes in 2006, I trust that someone else progressive will be running there.
Speaking of Ken Chan and Ward 27, the Kristyn Wong-Tam facebook fan page now lists her launch event for 6pm next Monday.