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"We have received the following message from the Honduran activists of the National Front of People's Resistance against the repression of the Porfirio Lobo government.."
here's another one where the international solidarity movement wasn't...
"a US airforce document justifying the need to increase military presence in Colombia affirmed that Washington is preparing for 'expeditionary warfare' in South America.."
"soon Washington will publish its annual list of 'state sponsors of terrorism', and if Venezuela is placed on the list this year, the region could be on the brink of an unprecedented military conflict.."
.......usual list of 'state sponsors of terrorism', and if Venezuela is placed on the list this year, the region could be on the brink of an unprecedented military conflict.."
I could be having soft boiled eggs fro brekkie tomorrow, or not, depending.
As to Venezuela they have so many problems with the drought reducing their hydro-electric power generating capacity they're not a threat to anyone but themselves.
As to Venezuela they have so many problems with the drought reducing their hydro-electric power generating capacity they're not a threat to anyone but themselves.
You wouldn't get that idea listening to the Pentagon and the U.S. Department of Defense.
It seems there's no such thing as too many wars.
Great Recession, what Great Recession? Hell our budget for 2010 is $907 billion.
"Canada's imperial role in the region has taken on a similar guise as the US, although shaped more specifically around Canada's mining interests in the area.."
Narco wars are the means the Pentagon has used to fund wars and its "black operations" since Vietnam. In fact, America learned this game from the French.
YA!!! You know it FM. The French resistance was funded with heroin money. Vietnam intelligence operations by the CIA was funded with heroin money. South America, Afghanistan, etc etc etc - the CIA has "allowed" illegal drug trafficing to the USA for decades now. It is how they fund their illegal operations that Congress cannot fund.
"The situation in Colombia now is that we will have another four years of delivering the country to transnational corporations, of rampant corruption and delivering the natural resources to private hands...
Finally, we will have, most likely and this is the most frightening scenario, we're going to get closer and closer to an armed conflict in the region, an armed conflict from Colombia against Venezuela and Ecuador. Colombia has become a threat for the whole region.
The project of social movements will be to change the entire system, before the earth can no longer support us..
"On March 22 Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullens accompanied Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Mexico and upon returning top US military commander Mullen spoke of Mexico's 'own version of counterinsurgency' and said, 'We're working with them to generate as much capability as they can in that fight.' In speaking as he did Mullens reiterated his statements in January of 2009 that the US military was prepared to employ the same counterinsurgency tactics used in Afghanistan and Iraq for Mexico, and that the infamous Plan Colombia could be the 'overarching' model for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.."
Anti-Coup Resistance a Target of Extra-judicial Killings
"The Honduran Professor Jose Manuel Flores, member of the anti-coup resistance movement was murdered at the school where he worked..According to social organizations, since the coup of June 28 Honduras reported 4,200 human rights violations among them more than 130 murders of resistance and about 3,000 arrests.."
Although I like the place and the people Ecuador has always been a messy place politcally, the present President is just the latest in a long line of corrupt autocrats.
Hmm. That article is accompanied by a general effort to smear pretty well every left of centre government in South America. Special attention is paid to the Chavez government in Venezuela; is military action in the offing by Uncle Sam?
Perhaps a source other than a stock market website might be more appropriate for a left wing site like this one?
I read those links and the Spanish language ones as well-they all say the same thing-someone was sentenced to jail for what they wrote-this in a country that purports to be a democracy.
Ok, so you're not interested in addressing the drive-by smear unrelated to the charges against Palacio?
I thought so.
Incidently, while the $10,000 fine is by no means excessive in defamatory libel cases - like this one - the three year prison term handed down by the judge does seem excessive.
Here is the data for some other countries that also "purport to be a democracy"
Azerbaijan - max sentence up to 3 years in jail
Belgium - up to 1 year and can be doubled if it is considered a hate crime
Finland - up to 2 years in prison
But how about we just cut to the chase, shall we:
Quote:
In Canada, the so-called « blasphemous libel» is a crime punished with a maximum term of two years in prison, according to Article 296-1 of the Canadian Criminal Code, as well as the crime of « defamatory libel » (Article 298), which receives the same penalty (see Article 301). In the specific case of a "libel known to be false" (Article 300), the prison term increases to a maximum of five years. According to Article 298, a defamatory libel "is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published"[74].
The criminal portion of the law has been rarely applied. In the most recent case, in 1994 Bradley Waugh and Ravin Gill were charged with criminal libel for publicly accusing six prison guards of the racially motivated murder of a black inmate.[75]
According to a OSCE official report on defamation laws[when?], 57 persons in Canada were accused of defamation, libel and insult, among which 23 were convicted - 9 to prison sentences, 19 to probation and one to a fine. The average period in prison was 270 days, and the maximum sentence was 1460 days of imprisonment.
Canada, last time I checked, also "purported" to be a democracy.
Conrad, it's hard not to laugh at you when you're such a sitting duck on this one. Every country has libel laws. (Well, maybe except the USA which absolutizes free speech to the point of allowing anyone to yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre.) And the libel laws in Ecuador aren't more draconian than the same laws in other "purported" democracies.
Give it a rest. You crashed and burned. Maybe next time don't be so quick to re-gurgitate the papal missives of the stock market without doing a little homework. Like I did.
"Both the Canadian and US governments have praised the Jan. 27 elections in Honduras as a major step forward toward a return to democracy and national reconciliation. Yet the reality on the ground under the newly elected government of Porfiro Lobo is one of continuing repression and select assassinations of those who dared to oppose the June 28, 2009 military coup.."
"Former Panamanian ruler Manuel Noriega was taken from the American prison which had been his home for the past 21 years and flown to Paris...The extradition was itself illegal.."
"In the Theatre of the Absurd anything is possible. And so it is that Guyana's president, Bharrat Jagdeo, is among six winners from government, science, business and entertainment to be awarded this year's UN 'Champion of the Earth' prize for leadership in environmental conservation..
Champion of the Earth is no title for a man who heads one of the most corrupt and repressive regimes in the Caribbean and South America.."
"More than 34 Mapuche politial prisoners in Chile have entered into day 75 of a hunger strike. They are seeking significant changes in the way the Chilean state treats Indigenous Mapuche people.."
"Expanding his recent analysis of the situation in Ecuador to the rest of Latin America, James Petras' provocative assessment shows that facts and figures do not sustain the widely-held dogma that much of the continent has veered to the left. With the exception of Venezuela, no structural changes have taken place nor are being envisaged. Latin America has embarked on diversified roads to a 'smarter' brand of capitalism, very distant from socialism..."
"An in depth analysis of the current situation in Latin America, is cause for no little concern, because I feel it is degenerating,' says Eric Toussaint. Several recent events account for the Belgian historian's position..."
NATO will not intervene in Latin America but it will not stop the United States from assembing a coalition of the willing to take police actions. Columbia, Chile are likely allies. The United States has entered into a period in which, it does not wish its hand to be seen. Therefore, it would be useful to see how the CIA and Dept. of Homeland Security are firming up the graduates of the School of Americas to take over when the IMF imposes its next round of austerity. For all these countries still have massive debts and the conditions to pay them back - are the same as Greece & Ireland - save the people know they will not be conned again by the oligarchs - hence the need for regional/homegrown policemen.
Stop Killings and Harassment Against the Revolutionary Movement in Honduras
http://www.marxist.com/stop-killings-harassment-against-revolutionary-mo...
"We have received the following message from the Honduran activists of the National Front of People's Resistance against the repression of the Porfirio Lobo government.."
here's another one where the international solidarity movement wasn't...
War on the Horizon in Latin America
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24978.htm
"a US airforce document justifying the need to increase military presence in Colombia affirmed that Washington is preparing for 'expeditionary warfare' in South America.."
War on the Horizon in Latin America
http://www.chavezcode.com/2010/03/permanent-aggression-war-on-horizon-in...
"soon Washington will publish its annual list of 'state sponsors of terrorism', and if Venezuela is placed on the list this year, the region could be on the brink of an unprecedented military conflict.."
I could be having soft boiled eggs fro brekkie tomorrow, or not, depending.
As to Venezuela they have so many problems with the drought reducing their hydro-electric power generating capacity they're not a threat to anyone but themselves.
You wouldn't get that idea listening to the Pentagon and the U.S. Department of Defense.
It seems there's no such thing as too many wars.
Great Recession, what Great Recession? Hell our budget for 2010 is $907 billion.
Canada's Long Embrace of the Honduran Dictatorship
http://www.counterpunch.com/gordon03192010.html
"Canada's imperial role in the region has taken on a similar guise as the US, although shaped more specifically around Canada's mining interests in the area.."
YA!!! You know it FM. The French resistance was funded with heroin money. Vietnam intelligence operations by the CIA was funded with heroin money. South America, Afghanistan, etc etc etc - the CIA has "allowed" illegal drug trafficing to the USA for decades now. It is how they fund their illegal operations that Congress cannot fund.
Manuel Rozental on Resistance and the Consolidation of Fascism in Colombia
http://www.mediacoop.ca/audio/3096
"The situation in Colombia now is that we will have another four years of delivering the country to transnational corporations, of rampant corruption and delivering the natural resources to private hands...
Finally, we will have, most likely and this is the most frightening scenario, we're going to get closer and closer to an armed conflict in the region, an armed conflict from Colombia against Venezuela and Ecuador. Colombia has become a threat for the whole region.
The project of social movements will be to change the entire system, before the earth can no longer support us..
We have to find the cracks in the system"
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US Plunges Central America Back to Era of Coups and Deaths
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18356
"On March 22 Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullens accompanied Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Mexico and upon returning top US military commander Mullen spoke of Mexico's 'own version of counterinsurgency' and said, 'We're working with them to generate as much capability as they can in that fight.' In speaking as he did Mullens reiterated his statements in January of 2009 that the US military was prepared to employ the same counterinsurgency tactics used in Afghanistan and Iraq for Mexico, and that the infamous Plan Colombia could be the 'overarching' model for the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.."
Anti-Coup Resistance a Target of Extra-judicial Killings
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18338
"The Honduran Professor Jose Manuel Flores, member of the anti-coup resistance movement was murdered at the school where he worked..According to social organizations, since the coup of June 28 Honduras reported 4,200 human rights violations among them more than 130 murders of resistance and about 3,000 arrests.."
Ecuadorn journalsi given 3 year prison term for criticing Correa Govt
Although I like the place and the people Ecuador has always been a messy place politcally, the present President is just the latest in a long line of corrupt autocrats.
Hmm. That article is accompanied by a general effort to smear pretty well every left of centre government in South America. Special attention is paid to the Chavez government in Venezuela; is military action in the offing by Uncle Sam?
Perhaps a source other than a stock market website might be more appropriate for a left wing site like this one?
Here's the article from the Associated Press- do you believe someone is going to prison for what they wrote now?
You should have read that AP link before posting it. They do the same shit as the NASDAQ link does.
I read those links and the Spanish language ones as well-they all say the same thing-someone was sentenced to jail for what they wrote-this in a country that purports to be a democracy.
Ok, so you're not interested in addressing the drive-by smear unrelated to the charges against Palacio?
I thought so.
Incidently, while the $10,000 fine is by no means excessive in defamatory libel cases - like this one - the three year prison term handed down by the judge does seem excessive.
Here is the data for some other countries that also "purport to be a democracy"
Azerbaijan - max sentence up to 3 years in jail
Belgium - up to 1 year and can be doubled if it is considered a hate crime
Finland - up to 2 years in prison
But how about we just cut to the chase, shall we:
Canada, last time I checked, also "purported" to be a democracy.
ha ha ha ha. HA ha ha ha. Thanks for showing up.
Libel humour: Perhaps Palacio should have accused the official of having a small penis? He might have avoided the litigation entirely.
Surprising to see someone here sneering @ press freedom-is that what progressive means?
Conrad, it's hard not to laugh at you when you're such a sitting duck on this one. Every country has libel laws. (Well, maybe except the USA which absolutizes free speech to the point of allowing anyone to yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre.) And the libel laws in Ecuador aren't more draconian than the same laws in other "purported" democracies.
Give it a rest. You crashed and burned. Maybe next time don't be so quick to re-gurgitate the papal missives of the stock market without doing a little homework. Like I did.
Nice turn of phrase-too bad you're using to defend the actions of a notoriously corrupt demagogue/his toadies.
Why am I not surprised that we're no longer discussing the specifics of the libel case?
Conrad, your ship has burned to the water line. Give it a rest. Swim to shore.
Congratulations on not taking the bait and defending totalitarianism.
Honduras: New Wave of Repression
http://en.maquilasolidarity.org/node/935
"Both the Canadian and US governments have praised the Jan. 27 elections in Honduras as a major step forward toward a return to democracy and national reconciliation. Yet the reality on the ground under the newly elected government of Porfiro Lobo is one of continuing repression and select assassinations of those who dared to oppose the June 28, 2009 military coup.."
The Revenant: Brief Glimpses of Empire's Reality
http://www.chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/1963-the-revenant-brie...
"Former Panamanian ruler Manuel Noriega was taken from the American prison which had been his home for the past 21 years and flown to Paris...The extradition was itself illegal.."
Extra-Judicial Killings in Guyana
http://bajan.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/champion-of-the-earth-united-natio...
"In the Theatre of the Absurd anything is possible. And so it is that Guyana's president, Bharrat Jagdeo, is among six winners from government, science, business and entertainment to be awarded this year's UN 'Champion of the Earth' prize for leadership in environmental conservation..
Champion of the Earth is no title for a man who heads one of the most corrupt and repressive regimes in the Caribbean and South America.."
Chile: The Roots of Mapuche Resistance
http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/3660
"More than 34 Mapuche politial prisoners in Chile have entered into day 75 of a hunger strike. They are seeking significant changes in the way the Chilean state treats Indigenous Mapuche people.."
Contact Embassy of Chile in Canada:
http://www.chile.ca/en/?q=node/22
Latin America: Roads to 21st Century Capitalist Development - by James Petras
http://www.voltairenet.org/article167336.html
"Expanding his recent analysis of the situation in Ecuador to the rest of Latin America, James Petras' provocative assessment shows that facts and figures do not sustain the widely-held dogma that much of the continent has veered to the left. With the exception of Venezuela, no structural changes have taken place nor are being envisaged. Latin America has embarked on diversified roads to a 'smarter' brand of capitalism, very distant from socialism..."
Worrying Signs from Venezuela to Ecuador
http://www.counterpunch.org/ferrari11102010.html
"An in depth analysis of the current situation in Latin America, is cause for no little concern, because I feel it is degenerating,' says Eric Toussaint. Several recent events account for the Belgian historian's position..."
NATO will not intervene in Latin America but it will not stop the United States from assembing a coalition of the willing to take police actions. Columbia, Chile are likely allies. The United States has entered into a period in which, it does not wish its hand to be seen. Therefore, it would be useful to see how the CIA and Dept. of Homeland Security are firming up the graduates of the School of Americas to take over when the IMF imposes its next round of austerity. For all these countries still have massive debts and the conditions to pay them back - are the same as Greece & Ireland - save the people know they will not be conned again by the oligarchs - hence the need for regional/homegrown policemen.