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Are they NOT removing loose rocks from under the Gardner for the G20?
Hey cool, I guess they read my post since Friday, because it was not blocked off on Friday thank goodness, and thanks for posting the picture. Although that looks like Lashore/Reese I took my pics at Lakeshore/York but they probably got that blocked too.
Why were you so worried, Daniel? Seriously, do you think protesters are going to run down to the Gardiner, grab the rocks, and start throwing them? Do you think that's a reasonable concern?
I mean, I suppose it's slightly more probable than thinking that protesters are going to rip up or chop down saplings on the streets to use as weapons, but still.
But I also wonder whether they read your post here and acted upon it. :) It's not like they don't have enough people to monitor every website on the planet at the moment. radiorahim and I were walking down Yonge Street around 5:30 tonight and there were about ten cops just standing around at the corner of Yonge and Gould near Ryerson. They weren't doing anything. Just hanging around, looking at people who passed by. It was surreal. I think they just had nothing to do so they were just looking busy. Apparently a bunch of cops are staying nearby at the Delta Chelsea just a block up the street.
Boom boom - I was wondering the same thing - did Mayor Miller have a say in this at all? Somehow I really really doubt it.
I believe there needs to be an inquiry into the mismanagement of this entire mess - why Toronto, why not the alternative location (Exhibition Stadium) and why the incredible cost for security.
The earlier poster was correct, I drove by there today and indeed they have covered the rocks and put a fence around the rock area. Good for them, they do have everything looked after.
In past summit's it is a known fact that some of the protesters and I mean only a very few will bring/find grapefruit size rocks and throw them at police or motorcades to get things hyped up. Things look very safe downtown with at least 50 officers on every street. I just hope the rest of the city will be safe.
In past summit's it is a known fact that some of the protesters and I mean only a very few will bring/find grapefruit size rocks and throw them at police or motorcades to get things hyped up. Things look very safe downtown with at least 50 officers on every street. I just hope the rest of the city will be safe.
My MSM troll alert is tingling......
Don't bring that activists throw rocks bullshit. Not now. In Quebec city in 2001 I saw maybe 5 people throw anything at cops that wasn't thrown at them by cops first.
And the LAST thing 50 cops on every street makes me feel is safe. Just got home from downtown and it's a goddamned mess. Fences and armed fascists everywhere. It's a nightmare. But I'm glad you feel safe.
In a universe where a stapler is considered a lethal weapon a sapling is very dangerous.
With tongue firmly in check I think that the more windows that get broken the more economic activity there will be and the sooner we will get out of the economic downturn. All spending is good spending right? Think of it a poor people trying to help stimulate the ailing economy.
sticks, trees, bicycle lockups: all create opportunities for non-violent demonstrators to lock themselves up & give indie media time to catch cruel nonsense & malfeasance = bad idea for 'enforcers'
leaving rocks gives an excuse for agents provocateurs, or thugs to run around doing something criminal & maniacal for the mainstream media cameras
better opportunity to facilitate the legend of the 'dangerous peaceful demonstration' as thuggery & bullshit violence that only makes dissent look indistinguishable from exactly the sorts of behaviours that piss off the Public at large rather than genuinely winning hearts & minds to a sustainable & ethical cause.
convincing the Public that demonstration is futile, dangerous, criminal & full of unstable people whose ideas can't be trusted, opinions are suspect & worst: that we're incapable of organizing anything that isn't *corporate* or *conservative* in nature.
you're fucking right that those rocks will stay there: they're exactly what they want...
they're dangling a red flag in front of the media in hopes somebody is stupid enough to bite & give the Money & Power the eyecandy they need for propaganda.
Catchfire. There will be many POC, women among them and I find the generalization that every single female police officer there is a fascist VERY offensive.
Ya whatever everyone hates cops. Just because a woman puts on a uniform doesn't mean we stop supporting her.
Women work hard to become police officers , ESPECIALLY non-white females. Painting everyone fascists is horrible and demeans the females who have managed to make their way in a male dominated work place rife with harassment stereotyping and even abuse.
Yes you are right, I am not sure whether this makes us safer either. When I walked downtown yesterday I looked around curiously and could see all kinds of potential problems. Safe, I'm not sure, police presence yes, there is a ton of it but does that make us safe?
This is probably the closest I'll be getting to a G20 motorcade, it was just a test run around downtown yesterday.
Safe from what? Are the anarchists going to blow up your neighbourhood. How about Moslems seen any of those lately? They might also be plotting against our leaders of the free world.
The protest that Libby attended in Vancouver had a few dozen cops on bicycles in their regular uniforms doing mostly traffic control. There was no violence and no confrontation despite many of the same people being there. I have only seen violent confrontation when the police get into their swat team clothes. They then get far more aggressive while becoming far more restrictive in their interpretation of what constitutes freedom of expression.
Why do we need to spend a billion dollars? Certainly not to stop the protesters from only marching around while chanting anti-government slogans.
Catchfire. There will be many POC, women among them and I find the generalization that every single female police officer there is a fascist VERY offensive.
Ya whatever everyone hates cops. Just because a woman puts on a uniform doesn't mean we stop supporting her.
Women work hard to become police officers , ESPECIALLY non-white females. Painting everyone fascists is horrible and demeans the females who have managed to make their way in a male dominated work place rife with harassment stereotyping and even abuse.
I saw in that face the face of the Universal Soldier and her orders do not come from far away she is responsible for her actions. The overseers on the plantations were black but that doesn't fit my idea of an employment equity program, although it did to improve the plight of that individual slave.
Get a grip, since when do women give other women their undivided support and loyalty?
Feminism has never indicated nor required such either.
If women want to become part of the oppressors then that is their choice it does not mean I have to respect them for it.
Oh ya I forgot cops and sex workers sold their souls. You're right they don't deserve our support sorry! So how long before you feel the need to publically announce you've flagged my post?
I've changed my stance. All women who are police officers or anything to do with authority are fascists.
Here's your answer! (via Antonia Zerbisias's facebook page)
Hey cool, I guess they read my post since Friday, because it was not blocked off on Friday thank goodness, and thanks for posting the picture. Although that looks like Lashore/Reese I took my pics at Lakeshore/York but they probably got that blocked too.
Daniel ... Toronto
Why were you so worried, Daniel? Seriously, do you think protesters are going to run down to the Gardiner, grab the rocks, and start throwing them? Do you think that's a reasonable concern?
I mean, I suppose it's slightly more probable than thinking that protesters are going to rip up or chop down saplings on the streets to use as weapons, but still.
But I also wonder whether they read your post here and acted upon it. :) It's not like they don't have enough people to monitor every website on the planet at the moment. radiorahim and I were walking down Yonge Street around 5:30 tonight and there were about ten cops just standing around at the corner of Yonge and Gould near Ryerson. They weren't doing anything. Just hanging around, looking at people who passed by. It was surreal. I think they just had nothing to do so they were just looking busy. Apparently a bunch of cops are staying nearby at the Delta Chelsea just a block up the street.
I believe there needs to be an inquiry into the mismanagement of this entire mess - why Toronto, why not the alternative location (Exhibition Stadium) and why the incredible cost for security.
The earlier poster was correct, I drove by there today and indeed they have covered the rocks and put a fence around the rock area. Good for them, they do have everything looked after.
In past summit's it is a known fact that some of the protesters and I mean only a very few will bring/find grapefruit size rocks and throw them at police or motorcades to get things hyped up. Things look very safe downtown with at least 50 officers on every street. I just hope the rest of the city will be safe.
Daniel .. Toronto
My MSM troll alert is tingling......
Don't bring that activists throw rocks bullshit. Not now. In Quebec city in 2001 I saw maybe 5 people throw anything at cops that wasn't thrown at them by cops first.
And the LAST thing 50 cops on every street makes me feel is safe. Just got home from downtown and it's a goddamned mess. Fences and armed fascists everywhere. It's a nightmare. But I'm glad you feel safe.
Fascist Pig
In a universe where a stapler is considered a lethal weapon a sapling is very dangerous.
With tongue firmly in check I think that the more windows that get broken the more economic activity there will be and the sooner we will get out of the economic downturn. All spending is good spending right? Think of it a poor people trying to help stimulate the ailing economy.
seriously?
you need this explained to you?
you're fucking right that those rocks will stay there: they're exactly what they want...
they're dangling a red flag in front of the media in hopes somebody is stupid enough to bite & give the Money & Power the eyecandy they need for propaganda.
SparkyOne, this post constitutes trolling and contributes nothing to the discussion. Knock it off.
Catchfire. There will be many POC, women among them and I find the generalization that every single female police officer there is a fascist VERY offensive.
Ya whatever everyone hates cops. Just because a woman puts on a uniform doesn't mean we stop supporting her.
Women work hard to become police officers , ESPECIALLY non-white females. Painting everyone fascists is horrible and demeans the females who have managed to make their way in a male dominated work place rife with harassment stereotyping and even abuse.
What?
Get a grip, since when do women give other women their undivided support and loyalty?
Feminism has never indicated nor required such either.
If women want to become part of the oppressors then that is their choice it does not mean I have to respect them for it.
Daniel, you and I have a very different understanding of what constitutes "safety".
And my MSM troll alert is buzzing too.
Yes you are right, I am not sure whether this makes us safer either. When I walked downtown yesterday I looked around curiously and could see all kinds of potential problems. Safe, I'm not sure, police presence yes, there is a ton of it but does that make us safe?
This is probably the closest I'll be getting to a G20 motorcade, it was just a test run around downtown yesterday.
I guess we'll know by Sunday.
Daniel .. Toronto
My G20 pics
Safe from what? Are the anarchists going to blow up your neighbourhood. How about Moslems seen any of those lately? They might also be plotting against our leaders of the free world.
The protest that Libby attended in Vancouver had a few dozen cops on bicycles in their regular uniforms doing mostly traffic control. There was no violence and no confrontation despite many of the same people being there. I have only seen violent confrontation when the police get into their swat team clothes. They then get far more aggressive while becoming far more restrictive in their interpretation of what constitutes freedom of expression.
Why do we need to spend a billion dollars? Certainly not to stop the protesters from only marching around while chanting anti-government slogans.
I saw in that face the face of the Universal Soldier and her orders do not come from far away she is responsible for her actions. The overseers on the plantations were black but that doesn't fit my idea of an employment equity program, although it did to improve the plight of that individual slave.
Oh ya I forgot cops and sex workers sold their souls. You're right they don't deserve our support sorry! So how long before you feel the need to publically announce you've flagged my post?
I've changed my stance. All women who are police officers or anything to do with authority are fascists.
Catchfire I was trolling sorry.
Sparkyone that should make the Babble post Hall of Fame in the passive/aggressive category.