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You'll find all the information you need - and more - on that topic here. There are alternatives to coyoticide.
But that's not what, er, triggered this thread. This is:
I've been reflecting a fair bit on this argument.
Unless every single person on babble tolerates - nay, enjoys - filthy dishes, why shouldn't a discussion on kitchen sinks and dishwashers (and perhaps washing fluids) have a place here?
NOTE: This is NOT one of those "green environmental" discussions, although I would have no objection to the "phosphates or not" controversy, hard vs. soft water, etc. All I insist upon is that the discussion here be respectful, and be conducted from an unambiguously pro-dishwashing perspective.
Thanks, and let the debate begin!
Well, I guess I've got to earn that four hours' pay.
This is non-progressive BS. Dishes? Only a fascist will set a table, Unionist! Real leftists use their hands for their food and simply drink directly from the tap (no faucets either, imperialist decadence). Of course, you small, Canadian city progressives will never understand it. You fail all purity tests of progressivism. Indoor plumbing is terrorism of the Earth and we need to have stricter drain plug control laws, because god knows if you leave the plug in the bottom of the sink the sink could overflow and then get on the floor and then the floorboards could rot and then mould could get into your house fostered by the high humidity that comes from leaving the tap running for days on end in the summer (because that tap is only doing what it wants to do, who are you to tell it to go off? Eh, buddy?!). Sooner or later the whole rotten floor of the sink-faucet-water washing complex will collapse and you'll be standing right there. And then what? You expect the government to bail you out for your risky behaviour? NO! Deal with the consequences Tina Tap Turner.
etc., etc., sarcasm, etc.
eta:: @catchfire - my goal tonight is to make sure that rabble gives you some cherry overtime pay.
Unionist: If you don't know by now that you cannot possibly dictate how a thread will go then I don't know if there will be help for you. And if you're suggesting drowning coyotes in sinks then I'm calling the Humane Society of Montreal right now.
Catchfire: Heatless beast indeed....harumph
Papal Bull I'm crushing on you big time right now. Thanks for the laughs.
For the record I'm pro-sinks of all kinds. If that makes me a bourgeois sell out, then so be it.
(less than 24 hours to go until my vacay, suckas! Bwa ha haaaaaaaa)
All right, folks, this is exactly the kind of discussion I had in mind! Many thanks.
And PB, I think you touched on my real motive for opening this thread. I was worried about getting plugged in the G&A forum... Safer here.
Hey... speaking of "PB" - isn't that something or other on the periodic table? Are you a G&A spy!!??
Interestingly I have been the only person in babble history to once destroy Rome, chemically, and then imbue one of its residents with ridiculous power, theologically.
But yeah, you've discovered my dark secret!
I've never had a dishwasher and never will. My hands do the job just fine thank you. Those who cook, cook. Those who don't, wash the dishes.
I get annoyed by those idiots/lazy louts who can't quite master the whole, "Wash First, Then Rinse" concept. Soap on dishes can make a person ill. Really ill.
I once had a roommate who solved the problem of his turn to do this dishes by buying, and eating, only food that could be prepared right in the package. His efforts to avoid work were ... unrelenting. And his room was a moonscape of almost empty beer bottles, many used as an ashtray, littering the floor like a nursery for aliens. The stench was palpable.
Never place a glass container in murky or soapy water and then forget about it. If you're like me, then you'll wind up with a geyser of blood, straight to the ceiling, and a lovely scar to show for your efforts. Ever see the ending of "Sanjuro" ?
N Beltov, please stick with the topic of the thread and keep your lewd personal habits to yourself.
Ha ha! I pulled that quote out of context! Whatcha gonna do? Complain about me? Tee hee.
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Ok, I need to get away from the computer immediately.
I didn't realize they had minature coyotes in Montreal... I thought you would have had to use a bathtub to drown a coyote. On the other hand, skwerels should fit quite nicely into a kitchen sink... and if you have one of those automatic garbage grinding thingies installed.... *bagkitty indulges himself in one of those jaw cracking, ear to ear smiles*
*waves bye to Maysie... have a good holiday*
U? That is SOOOO last year....
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/environmental-justice/dirty-dishesdishwashingdishwashers
Y'know, PB, I was about to send you an invitation to help me with a few domestic ishews, but it appears you have already surveilled the place.
As the main (ie: sole) cook and bottle-washer here, I regard this as a most serious topic. I don't know why Unionist thinks it's funny. He's probably an urban male with a dishwasher that works and who doesn't have to rinse out a gazillion catfood tins for recycling every night so the sink won't start to grow mould. And so forth.
There is a dishwasher here, but as I discovered shortly after I moved in, it is non-functional and needs to be lugged out (one of the ishews I mean to raise shortly with PB).
That didn't bother me much, though, since I actually have some china/pottery vanity, and I like to think that I wash things better than the machines do. Maybe I don't do it so often, but when I wash, those dishes are washed.
On some forums I know, this discussion would now turn to china/pottery finishes that wash up best -- ie: vitrified surfaces, which wash up as if they were glass (which they are), or how to get those tea stains out of your mother's bone china cups ...
LOL!!! You're right, I totally missed that!
But when I scan the posts, there's still a bit too much care for the environment in evidence. There's still room for a pure joy-of-washing thread, I think.
I'd like to hear some comments on the washing-for-subsistence and washing-for-sport phenomena. And perhaps, dishes for target practice.
I just love being ignored. Most women do. It's the chopped-liver experience -- it has such deep sentimental significance to most of us, stretching back so far in each of our lives.
We have a working dishwasher. I tend to wash much by hand, while my partner insists that everything that can fit in the dishwasher should go there. I like my manual results better, including the fact that I want things clean now. I rinse on average two (2) catfood tins daily pre-recycling. I'm not always careful, and am wearing a bandaid right now to prove it.
And I don't think there's anything funny about washing dishes. I think it's a basic human activity and need in our society. We don't obsess over it, we don't worship it, and if someone said we had to register, or even recall, our dishwashers for safety reasons, we wouldn't view it as an attempt by the state to suppress civil liberties.
I am not a big believer in individual rights to own things. Not even dishes.
Are you a big believer in craftwork, Unionist?
You mean these guys?
Well anyone who has any bolshy ideas about my doulton or my vintage chinese restaurant settings is going to have to answer to the antique carbon steel sitting in my drawer.
Cast enamel sink with a bowling alley dishrack in our house. Hot water is very good for the joints, IMO.
Don't try this at home.
Curse you Catchfire, not only did you toss in the Kraftwerk link before I did, but you went and closed the guns and ammo thread before I could post this (and the only reason that I didn't post the Kraftwerk link was that my paste memory was containing that guns and ammo link)... I think a suitable punishment would be for you to tour the country, stopping by the individual residences of all the babblers along the way and manually washing our accumulations of dirty dishes. [A much more effective deterrent/punishment than a suspension or banning!]
[ETA: of course I would have linked Radioactivty, which is altogether a better song]
More a medium-size believer, I'd say.
I'm a big believer in magic, however.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zra0Br1NK5c
But do you believe in life after love, Unionist?
What is a bowling-alley dishrack, please? I might like one of those ...
follow the link image too big to post
@ skdadl
Here's a a double one:
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/12/08/1197092...
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crosspost
and thanks, remind. THat's almost the same sink, except for the fixture.
Ours is a single.
Gorgeous, and thanks for the idea.
When I first got entangled with my husband (1985), he had one of those in his house, a single though and ancient. I loved it, but he had already got started on his notion of a kitchen reno -- my opinion at that level wouldn't count for some months further on, so the whole works was pulled out and handed on to some friends who wanted it for their cottage, drat them.
I'd forgotten that. Pretty soon I have to do something about my funky kitchen, and that is an inspiring thought. Thanks.
@ skdadl
Funny. I actually put ours in; it was holding plants in a friend's garden. There was some ridiculous stainless steel thing that dribbled all over the counter when we bought the place.
One thing on my do in the winter project list is to make my own kitchen sink out of concrete. I've seen some beautiful ones before and they're not that difficult. Just take a lot of steps. This way I can make it exactly the size I want and with the look I want. I've seen custom ones that run into the thousands and thousands of dollar range. Material cost wise they don't even come close to some of the prices I've seen but I guess they're a decorating 'thing' right now. I just like the way they look and they would fit into the my house. Plus I just like making things. Heck if it's successful maybe I'll start charging people thousands and thousands of dollars for one....
Neat idea, ElizaQ. I'd take on a few other smaller projects with cement first though, just to kind of experiment. Like a small bird bath or something. There's always some technique or something that requires practice and experience.
I wash dishes by hand and always will. But then, I have a window over the kitchen sink that looks out over the garden. I don't think I could handle doing dishes without a window over the sink.
And, Beltov is right. Rinse, rinse, rinse.
I remember back years ago, Michelle and I got into over the issue of hand drying dishes as opposed to air drying. Back then, I prefered hand drying so the dishes got put away and finished. Dishes sitting there air drying just looked like an unfinished job to me.
But I saw the wisdom in the hygiene, and now air dry. I particularly prefer this method in this kind of hot humid weather where I'd rather not dampen a dish towel to have it take on that damp dishtowel smell that I seem to be able to detect before anyone else I know.
Can't stand that smell.
I also learned over the years that you don't put your big meaty fist into a glass to wash it or dry it. Funny how the actual cut from glass never hurts at first.
Anyway, don't throw out those broken glass shards! They can be loaded into a replica blunderbuss, and used to kill coyotes at close range.
Reduce, reuse and recycle.
I'm with Tommy - both on hand washing and the over-the-sink window (though I wish I had a garden...).
If the movement spreads, all those discarded dishwashers, with just a smidgen of re-engineering, make fab DIY coyote traps.