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How do we mobilize support for Joe Pantalone?

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Cueball
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takeitslowly wrote:

if Joe didnt talk about how toronto is really a nice garden and needs little fixing, and instead realize the horrifying nightmare of sitting at a subway train that is barely moving from Kennedy station all the way throughout Bloor and Young, or the fact that the RT at Scarborough is literally dying before our very eyes and going down in flames, we might be able to relate to Joe better.

Fixing the Scarborough LRT and bringing it up to modern standards is part of Transit City.


writer
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SPACING VOTES: Making the case for Pantalone

If possible, Smitherman has run an even worse campaign than Hall. Whereas in 2003 she said little and created no persona for herself other than entitled, Smitherman has crafted a shrill, bizarre image he is probably now stuck with.

Is Joe Pantalone the guy to offer the counter to Ford? He could be, should he find a way to energize an increasingly demoralized city. As an immigrant, he would represent at least a nod in the direction of the real face of Toronto. As a Council veteran, his record suggests the ability to run a pragmatic and functional team. As an environmentalist, he has a vision of a Toronto not defined solely by resentment over a vehicle registration tax. And he’s not a screamer, something I appreciate every time I see footage of Ford and Smitherman.

It’s a tough road for any candidate opposing Ford right now. But here’s another reminder from 2003: David Miller did not rise out of the teens in the polls until Thanksgiving. Right up until that point, the Hall campaign exerted constant pressure for him to fold, claiming that he was stealing “Barbara’s votes” and risking a John Tory mayoralty. We know how that turned out: Miller and Tory ignored her, waged high-energy campaigns with exciting debates, and they left her in the dust on election day.

Maybe we should put the 2003 comparisons to bed. This campaign is its own thing – and so far its tenor has been really corrosive. This is not the moment for anyone to drop out and concede defeat to a candidate whose sole message is “tear it down.” With five weeks to go, a frontrunner can fall a long way. Someone needs to take Rob Ford head on and clarify the choice Toronto must make. Get moving, people.


SimonP
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There is still a ton of time left in this campaign. It's not just possible that the polls will change dramatically over the next weeks, but likely. Municipal elections are very fluid affairs. It's not just the 2003 Miller example. In 2006 in Ottawa, all through October Alex Munter had about 40% of the decided vote and was well in the lead of his two challengers, but he ended up losing to the guy who was at 6% in August.

I'm working on Joe's campaign, and have seen the underlying numbers. Rob Ford is still very beatable, and the only person who can do so is Joe Pantalone. It won't be easy, but if Joe gets enough volunteers and enough money it is possible.

To repeat Writer's call, if you have any time, please sign up at mayorjoe.ca . If you have any money, please donate. For anyone who doesn't know, the city has a very generous rebate program. For any donation up to $300, you are refunded 75%. So a $300 donation actually only costs you $75.


thorbeast
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Joe Pantalone is the only credible candidate running for mayor.

Here are some links for more information about what he stands for and his experience:

Now Magazine: Here's Looking At Joe

Joe Pantalone for Mayor - Links

 

 


trippie
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@radiorahim post #20:

 

There's nothing bigoted about my remark. The guys fat. Meaning that in all likely hood his eating habits are out of control. That may not matter to you but to me it shows a person that manages his stress in a negative way.

 

You think one thing in the guys life doesn't relate to other things? How about the guy take a serious look at himself.

 

He's fat, prone to addictive substances, says bigoted remarks, has reactionary right winged tendencies, will not compromise with others, and the list goes on. Yet people think this guy can lead the City of Toronto. What's that say about the whole situation?

 

Heres the prediction . Unless the guy takes a serious look at himself and start to fix his own life, the following will happen, if he becomes mayor of Toronto.

 

The stress of the job will become a burden. He will turn to his vices to over come his problems. He will make bad decisions and become very confrontational with others. He will blame everyone else. Toronto will suffer.

 

Personally the guy should take care of himself. This is just going to make his situation worse and make us worse at the same time. The people voting for him are blinded by there own ignorance.

This is not a good time for Toronto. Capitalism is in the shitters and people are looking for direction. The left parties have abandoned their Socialism and confidence in it a long time ago. Conservatives are confident in themselves and their ideology. As people look for answers the conservatives will sound appealing.


RevolutionPlease
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trippie, c'mon dude.  You've nailed a lot about Ford but you've got to reconsider your choice of words and execution.  It's unbecoming.


Cueball
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trippie wrote:

@radiorahim post #20:

 

There's nothing bigoted about my remark. The guys fat. Meaning that in all likely hood his eating habits are out of control. That may not matter to you but to me it shows a person that manages his stress in a negative way.

 

You think one thing in the guys life doesn't relate to other things? How about the guy take a serious look at himself.

 

He's fat, prone to addictive substances, says bigoted remarks, has reactionary right winged tendencies, will not compromise with others, and the list goes on. Yet people think this guy can lead the City of Toronto. What's that say about the whole situation?

 

Heres the prediction . Unless the guy takes a serious look at himself and start to fix his own life, the following will happen, if he becomes mayor of Toronto.

 

The stress of the job will become a burden. He will turn to his vices to over come his problems. He will make bad decisions and become very confrontational with others. He will blame everyone else. Toronto will suffer.

 

Personally the guy should take care of himself. This is just going to make his situation worse and make us worse at the same time. The people voting for him are blinded by there own ignorance.

This is not a good time for Toronto. Capitalism is in the shitters and people are looking for direction. The left parties have abandoned their Socialism and confidence in it a long time ago. Conservatives are confident in themselves and their ideology. As people look for answers the conservatives will sound appealing.

"Direction and leadership" does not mean calling people "fatso".

For one thing, it is a mistaken belief that all people who are overweight are so because they overeat. Some, indeed, have different metabolism, and others have genuine disorders. Indeed, why am I reminded of a discussion with John Tory on 680 News, where some people were discussing charging people extra for health care costs associated with being over weight... judged by the pound.

There are a whole lot other things to talk about Ford, as opposed to bringing up his weight. If that is the best you can do for confident "leadership" from the left, the left is truly dead. Sounds like CPC (ML) bunko to me.


Stockholm
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trippie wrote:

 The guys fat. Meaning that in all likely hood his eating habits are out of control. That may not matter to you but to me it shows a person that manages his stress in a negative way.

or, maybe he has a "glandular problem" or his metabolism is out of kilter and he actually doesn't eat all that much. But then again the comedian Lenny Bruce once said "Whenever you see an enormously fat person, they always say that it wasn't because of overeating - they just have a "glandular problem". If that's true why is that when the allies liberated Buchenwald - you never saw any morbidly obese prisoners walking out saying 'all I ate was bread and water for four years'".

I agree though that we are going wayyy off message by talking about Ford's weight. There are plenty of politicians on the left who could lose a pound or two as well (are you there Howard Moscoe?)


writer
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It's really unfortunate that a discussion about a progressive, inclusive  candidate is being marred by such knee-jerk lookist hate. Could we stop with the fat phobia?


Maysie
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Moderator hat on.

What writer said.

trippie your choice of words, and your feeble "defence" of them in post #35 are deplorable. Stop now or you will be given a few days off.

Ford's not suitable for mayor of Toronto for many reasons. There's a thread about Ford here. His weight and size are irrelevant.

This thread is called How do we mobilize support for Joe Pantalone? Let's talk about that.


Polunatic2
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I'm starting to wonder if Ford isn't also campaigning for Tim Hudak at the same time he's running for Mayor. 

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 “I’m pretty confident Mr. McGuinty will give me the money,” said Mr. Ford. And if he doesn’t? “I’ll let Mr. McGuinty explain why we won’t get subways.” And how would that help, exactly?

While it's not part of the story at the NP, I heard Ford on the radio yesterday reminding everyone that there's a provincial election next year and that if McGuinty doesn't pay up, he'll have to face the voters. Sounds like a set up to me. Demand the impossible and then use it as a reason to campaign for the Hudak Cons in 2011. 

If 40% of the voters turn out to vote, and Ford wins with 30% in a 5-way split, he'll have a mandate from 15% of the electors - less than 10% of Toronto's population. Doesn't sound like a lot of clout to me. 

Go, Joe, Go! Put some Pants on the Mayor's office! 


Lord Palmerston
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Horrible piece in the Star by Bob Hepburn today:

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Back in 2000, consumer advocate Ralph Nader was the Green party’s nominee for U.S. president, running against Al Gore for the Democrats and George Bush for the Republicans.

Despite pleas from friends to withdraw because his no-hope candidacy could hurt Gore’s chances of beating Bush, Nader campaigned tirelessly.

In the battleground state of Florida, Nader received 97,488 votes — and the undying anger of Democrats who claimed his bid drained votes from Gore, who lost Florida by just 537 votes to Bush.

That narrow and controversial victory in Florida secured the U.S. presidency for Bush.

We all know what happened next — Bush went on to become the worst U.S. president ever.

That same election scenario is taking place right now in Toronto.

Here, a trio of candidates with no chance of winning the Oct. 25 mayoral race may contribute heavily to the election of Rob Ford, whom the candidates themselves claim would be “scary” and a disaster for Toronto if he wins.

Because of that, Joe Pantalone, Rocco Rossi and Sarah Thomson should withdraw immediately and let Ford and George Smitherman, the two clear front-runners, fight it out by themselves in the last month of the election.

If they refuse to end their ego-fuelled campaigns, which is most probable, then these also-ran candidates would be partly to blame for helping Ford become mayor if he beats Smitherman.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/865079--hepburn-...

 


writer
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Some of the coverage from yesterday's policy announcement:

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Pantalone noted he’s the only candidate, other than Rob Ford, to have recently experienced an increase in support in public opinion polls. The latest survey put Ford ahead with 45.8 per cent support from decided voters. Pantalone gained a few points, up to 16.8 per cent support.

At a press conference held in the pedestrian zone at Gould and Victoria Streets on the Ryerson campus Wednesday morning, Pantalone vowed to build on and expand the city’s green initiatives, which includes ensuring all new structures built in the city meet the highest green standards. He also promised to keep Toronto Hydro in public hands.

Toronto Media Responds to Joe’s Plan for Greener Prosperity and a Pedestrian Mall on Yonge

Hey, an obvious way to mobilize support for Joe is to comment on news items about the campaign, and speak up for what Joe has to offer.


N.R.KISSED
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START TO CHANT

 

GIVE PANTS A CHANCE!!!


Aristotleded24
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Olly wrote:
I don't think it's clear that people in Etobicoke, Scarborough, etc want Transit City. In fact, I'm not sure how much support there is for Transit City in Toronto. Ford is promising subways. He'll never be able to deliver of course, but no one seems worried about that at the moment.

I don't think it's so much a matter of not wanting as a matter of it simply not being on the radar of people living in the suburbs. Theoretically Transit City will address many of the transit issues at some point in the future. For all practical purposes, there is nothing happening right now, so it just doesn't figure highly on people's minds. I think that once the lines start servicing the suburban areas, then people will start catching on and supporting the program.

We're in a similar situation in Winnipeg trying to win over support for our up-and-coming rapid transit system.


takeitslowly
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my frustration with Joe is once again he is always claiming that the city is wonderful and working fine, he doesnt seem to acknowledge and affirm the frustration and problems people face in all parts of the city..its about a lack of empathy and the preception that he is emotionally out of touch and downtown centric, regardless of the actual policies.


adma
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Wondering what effect this would have... 

http://torontoist.com/2010/09/duly_quoted_joe_pantalone_1.php


nussy
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None. 


Cueball
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takeitslowly wrote:

my frustration with Joe is once again he is always claiming that the city is wonderful and working fine, he doesnt seem to acknowledge and affirm the frustration and problems people face in all parts of the city..its about a lack of empathy and the preception that he is emotionally out of touch and downtown centric, regardless of the actual policies.

What is downtown centric about helping develop and champion a transit plan that only expands transit in suburbs, Scarborough, Finch, and so on? Perceptions should be guided by reality. In reality the perception is spawned by the fact that successive adminstrations at higher level of government have reneged and changed plans and downloaded services on the city, while denying the city the right to create progressive taxes so that it can do its own planning.

For example, the Malvern extension of the Transit City plan was revoked by the Provincial government because it wanted to chop 4 billion from the Transit City budget. Interstingly, this 4 billion is precisely the amount that McGuinty is handing over to the corporate sector in terms of his new tax reduction for corporate profits. An interesting parrallel in that 4 billion figure.

No doubt people are frustrated, but the energy of that anger is entirely misdirected at city hall.


Stockholm
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We all (I think) agree with Pantalone's policies and with what he's saying - the problem is in the delivery. There is no connection, no empathy...I've heard him at a debate and I nod in agreement, but the other candidates are speaking to John Q Public and Joe sounds like he is on an expert panel at a meeting of the Ontario Municipal Board. His answers to questions tend to be in some impenetrable bureaucratese.  


Cueball
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Some people appreciate that he doesn't come across like a loud mouthed blow hard like the rest. Indeed, isn't the point really that we need a competent manager and team player at city hall as opposed to an ranting idealogue or a snake oil salesman.

In other words, the fact that he is not like that is something of a strength. That is why we have to provide the energy to communicate that message.


Lord Palmerston
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John Cartwright has launched the One Toronto campaign, which is having a meeting on Monday night.  I think this may lead to the creation of a municipal party of the Left.

 


Stockholm
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"Some people appreciate that he doesn't come across like a loud mouthed blow hard like the rest."

Yes, SOME people appreciate that - unfortunately I think that there aren't enough of them. Most people are attracted to some vision, some cut and thrust, some charisma etc...They don't get inspired to vote for someone who is about as exciting as a mashed potato sandwich - especially in a five way race where you really need to distinguish yourself. Pantalone would make a great mahyor but as a candidate he is BORING.

I try to put myself in the position of the being an undecided voter and I struggle to figure out what would motivate me to vote for someone who basically just says "you never had it so good and whatever isn't so good in the city is the fault of the provincial and federal governments"


Cueball
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Actually, Joe Pantalone said the only thing that inspired me at all in this campaign. He said: "there are more of us than there are of them."


Lord Palmerston
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Walkom: Rob Ford isn't the Anti-Christ.

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Rob Ford is not the Anti-Christ. He’s just a right-winger from Etobicoke who wants to be Toronto mayor. His critics should get a grip.

The demonization of Ford is over the top. He’s mocked as a buffoon and a slob. He’s treated as a candidate driven solely by anger with nothing serious to say.

On the basis of absolutely no evidence, his supporters have been compared to the ultra-right, anti-immigrant, anti-government Tea Party movement in the United States and to racists in Europe.

The higher he climbs in the polls, the more his critics wring their hands. They ask who in their right minds could possibly vote for Rob Ford. They wonder whether his fans – variously described as anti-downtown suburbanites or old white males – are evil or merely delusional.

All of this might be explicable if Ford were a true outlier, if all other serious mayoralty candidates were promising something different. But except for leftish councilor Joe Pantalone, all are on the same wavelength, calling for deep spending cuts and privatization.

George Smitherman, who according to the polls is in the number two spot, says he’s the only one who can stop Ford. But even if he does, what difference would that make? On important issues, the platforms of the two men (yes, Ford does have a platform) are eerily similar.

Both would attempt to cut spending in ways that aren’t fully defined; both would contemplate contracting out garbage collection; both would hire more cops.

Both would slash the vehicle registration tax and curb the growth of bike lanes on major streets. Both would scrap current TTC expansion plans and instead concentrate on more subways.

In fact, Smitherman’s platform is more extreme. He would freeze property taxes which, when done in the past, has sent the city spiralling into debt.

 


Cueball
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He fails to join the dots at the end and endorse Pantalone... not quite there yet but they are coming: This however will be the main editorial tomorrow in the Star:

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Transit planks lack practicality

Many issues remain to be addressed in Toronto’s mayoral race but at least one has received a thorough airing — the future of public transit in Canada’s largest city. All five leading candidates have presented their visions. Each has pledged faster and better service for the more than 470 million riders now using the TTC each year. Some plans are bold, even to the point of rashness. Only one is realistic.

Joe Pantalone is promising to carry on with Mayor David Miller’s “Transit City” expansion plan, including light-rail lines on Eglinton, Sheppard and Finch Aves. and replacement of the Scarborough LRT. Funding for these lines has already been pledged by the province. Metrolinx, the provincial transit agency, is solidly behind the plan.

Pantalone’s endorsement of the status quo may lack the drama of his rival candidates’ visions of new subway routes criss-crossing the city. But it has the advantage of being practical.

Seems like maybe Torstar is getting the message...

 

 


Lord Palmerston
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Good for the Star for pointing this out...but I'm betting we'll see hysterical shilling of "Smitherman or the end of civilization as we know it" over the next few weeks nonetheless.


adma
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Stockholm wrote:
Yes, SOME people appreciate that - unfortunately I think that there aren't enough of them. Most people are attracted to some vision, some cut and thrust, some charisma etc...They don't get inspired to vote for someone who is about as exciting as a mashed potato sandwich - especially in a five way race where you really need to distinguish yourself. Pantalone would make a great mahyor but as a candidate he is BORING.

Which...in an unfortunate tables-are-turned circumstance--sounds like what helped doom Barbara Hall in 2003.  Meanwhile, it's Hall's erstwhile honcho Smitherman who knows how to turn on the Millerish passion taps when he really wants to...


jrootham
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I got a call from Ipsos-Reid today polling about the mayoralty campaign.

The questions were:

In what part of the city do you live?

Are you going to vote?

Who would you vote for now?

Are you going to change your mind?

If you had to vote for Ford or Smitherman, who would it be?

 

The last question suggests that the Star is doing the poll and they are trying to set up a push for Smitherman because Ford is the anti Christ.

 


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