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Aliens Land!

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Jingles
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I called it.


Fidel
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And as for why alien Bubba crashed his earth excursion vehicle back in '47, there could be a plausible explanation for that, too. What if cosmic rays knocked a bit off one of the auto pilot sub programs stores on tape drive then? It's possible,

What if grey Bubba had the flu that day? I know I shouldn't drive when I'm under the influence of some of those over the counter snake oil remedies myself.

Or what if cowboy Bubba just wasn't used to flying in earth gravity? Come on! Cut 'em some slack why can't we? It's not like they're crashing all the time. It's not like earth gravity and all weather flying is exactly the same as interStella navigation in the deep black wide openness.

All we know is that real people from all walks of life and nationalities are seeing things which some of us have great difficulties believing ourselves without hard, empirical proof. And there is physical proof as we've mentioned before.


Jingles
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And there is physical proof as we've mentioned before.

What physical evidence? Lemme guess; "the US Air Force is hiding it".


Fidel
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Jingles wrote:

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And there is physical proof as we've mentioned before.

What physical evidence? Lemme guess; "the US Air Force is hiding it".

There exists:

1. Eye witness testimonies. Of course, you can scratch this as you don't trust anyone between the ages of 21 and 99.

2. Paintings depicting UFOs dating back centuries

3. Photographic evidence dating back to the 19th century

4. Video

5. RADAR records

All of that is considered empirical, physical evidence. Note I say evidence and not hard, irrefutable proof. And some people accused of being criminals have been given prison sentences and even put to death by circumstantial evidence. Sad but true.  UFO enthusiasts say the feds are hiding the good stuff from public scrutiny for a number of reasons we can only speculate on at this point.


Jingles
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None of that is evidence. It's all hearsay and conjecture. "Paintings depicting UFOs"? Really? They painted dragons, unicorns, and devils too. I guess that's all the proof we need! And everybody knows that it's impossible to fake photos, or to misinterpret the image. They took pictures of ghosts at seances, should we start a thread about ghosts too? 

So, you're telling us that there is no physical evidence whatsoever. Not a damn thing. That's what I thought.


Fidel
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And make sure never to look at or comment on the evidence. This will enable you to say and repeat with impunity something along the lines of, "I have never seen any evidence to support your ridiculous claims." This method of refusing to even look through Galileo's telescope bought the Catholic Church and its inquisitors about 300 years worth of quality denialism.

The Real X-Files

 


6079_Smith_W
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How about this pic - Vancouver City Hall, 1937

 

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/pre1940/Photo136.htm


Fidel
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

How about this pic - Vancouver City Hall, 1937

 

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/pre1940/Photo136.htm

That Vancouver UFO looks like a little like this flier depicted in a 14th century crucifixion fresco at the monastery of Decani, Kosovo


Bec.De.Corbin
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Jingles wrote:

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So while I believe intelligent life exists out there, I don't believe that we will ever encounter it.

LTJ hits the nail on the head again. We're more likely to encounter a Perforated Messiah than the Great Gazoo.

 

Actually I think we may someday talk to them via radio telescope or something.

radio telis

Also jingles the craft crashed on a ranch near Roswell New Mexico after/during a lighting storm; it didn't "land" at Area 51... just saying.Smile


Fidel
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Boyd Bushman says he knew the pilot who shot it down... the UFO at Roswell that is. If so, then apparently they didn't anticipate encountering hostile avatars, or something.

So if invaders from Mars lost one of their bubba wingmen in '47, how many have the good guys lost? What are the chances that  experienced fighter pilots from the cold war era would fly dozens or hundreds of missions over Europe and even airspace over communist countries, and dogging it out with the best MIG pilots, and then return to the States only to crash land unceremoniously while chasing lights in the sky? Did homeys lose 20 of their ace Bubbas in one day?


My Cat Knows Better
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Pogo wrote:

I would think that if there is any long distance space travel it would automated.  Otherwise even in a frozen state there is a need to provide life support for an awful long time.  I could see Earth in 1000 years discovering conclusive proof of life on a far away planet and deciding to send a probe.

Unless of course in a thousand years, human civilization is back to chasing small mammals with wooden spears. Time is also a factor, civilizations, come and go. Maybe the aliens are really looking for the Maya...


Jingles
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Actually I think we may someday talk to them via radio telescope or something.

Not a snowballs chance in hell.


Fidel
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 Seth Shostak agrees with Pogo.

Astronomer Seeks ET Machines

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“The continued exponential growth in computer power implies that even consumer-grade computers will have the processing power of a human brain by the year 2040,” he says.

If and when we do create true AI, it would surpass us quickly. An AI would have the power to self-direct its own evolution.

“If we build a machine with the intellectual capability of one human, then within 5 years, its successor is more intelligent than all humanity combined,” he says.

The window between a society’s technological birth and its shift to artificial intelligence is amazingly small.

Machines. Damn! It's no wonder we can't hear them. They could be machines speaking some kind of alien machine language. Or would the drones actually be a new species engineered by aliens? I don't think they would necessarily have to look like Robby the robot or Will Smith's companion, and prolly nothing like "Gort" What if the probes were engineered from organic material? Would aliens create an actual new species of being in their likeness? Expendable? Moral? Feelings? Smarter than all of humanity combined?


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Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:
So while I believe intelligent life exists out there, I don't believe that we will ever encounter it.

I think we've encountered them already, or rather, they've been observing us like zoologists would observe macaques and monkeys in the wild.

According to some scientists who apparently don't believe in the UFO phenomenon, our first encounter with an advanced civilization will likely be with what's known by Kardashev-Dyson as a type III civilization. We are still type zero. And the encounter would likely occur similar to the scenario depicted in the Stanley Kubrick movie, 2001:A Space Odyssey based on former scientist Arthur Clarke's book of the same name. If we ever make it to type II, then we should become immortal as a species ourselves. Type III status would come not so long after that given a modest growth rate of one percent per year. At which point the most efficient way of exploring outer space would be to send probes fanning out across the galaxy.


al-Qa'bong
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I'm surprised no one has made the connexion between alien landings and the pod-person who is currently living in 24 Sussex Drive.


Fidel
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Well I guess we can't say the Tories have held back in this regard.

Canada releases UFO X-Files to the World

 

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The Canadian Government has authorized open public access to thousands of federal government documents concerning UFOs. A total of 9500 digitized documents spanning the years 1947 to the early 1980s have been made available through the Library and Archives Canada website.

What the? 1947? Why would UFO reports begin in the year 1947?

Were Canadians seeing US Air Force's top secret ballons and crash test mannequins in the sky, too?

That's strange, because so do other western countries UFO archives begin in the year 1947. International mass hysteria? Is there ANY SPECIAL REASON they chose 1947 to start reporting UFO sightings?

Anyone know the answer? Anyone at all? Woohoo? Yew! Yes, you behind the bikes shed!


al-Qa'bong
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In related news...

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The Science Centre is reviewing the footage frame-by-frame to determine whether Hickey-Jones' claim is legitimate. With closer examination, Science Centre staff is hoping to establish whether or not a genuine unicorn sighting has occurred.

In the meantime, the Science Centre is asking the public to use caution if they think they see a unicorn. Do not make any sudden movements or attempt to use flash photography. Although legends of unicorns state that they are peaceful creatures, scientists worry that they may harm themselves or others if they end up on a road or highway. The Ontario Science Centre has set up an emergency unicorn hotline for the public for further information on unicorns or to report any unusual or questionable sightings. The hotline number is 416-696-3260.

 

I heard they didn't get aboard Noah's Ark.

 


Fidel
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Oh aye!

A long time ago, when the Earth was green,
There was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen.
And they ran about and played while the Earth was being born,
And the loveliest of all was the unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-necked geese,
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees.
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born,
The loveliest of all was the unicorn. - Irish Rovers


Fidel
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Zen . . . And the Art of Debunkery

Zen of debunkery wrote:
HOW TO DEBUNK JUST ABOUT ANYTHING

Part 1: General Debunkery

<> Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment. Equipment needed: one armchair.

<> Put on the right face. Cultivate a condescending air that suggests that your personal opinions are backed by the full faith and credit of God. Employ vague, subjective, dismissive terms such as "ridiculous" or "trivial" in a manner that suggests they have the full force of scientific authority.

<> Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but as a holy war against unruly hordes of quackery- worshipping infidels. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may fudge, stretch or violate the scientific method, or even omit it entirely, in the name of defending the scientific method.

<> Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will "send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining...

Hilarious!


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Fidel wrote:

That's strange, because so do other western countries UFO archives begin in the year 1947. International mass hysteria? Is there ANY SPECIAL REASON they chose 1947 to start reporting UFO sightings?

Anyone know the answer? Anyone at all? Woohoo? Yew! Yes, you behind the bikes shed!

Reason #3:

The advancement of technology, particularly in aircraft, communication and tracking that took place during the war was just becoming known to civilian populations.

Reason #2:

Publications, such as Asimov's SF magazine and science fiction novels were becoming popular; the kids who grew up on this stuff were .. well... growing up... ish...

Reason #1

I landed on Earth


Fidel
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Or, would the US Air Force lie to the public for any other possible reasons? Stanton Friedman summarizes the US Air Force's lies since the Roswell incident in this order:

StantonFriedman.com wrote:
  1. A flying saucer(throw this one out right away)
  2. A radar reflector and weather balloon
  3. A Mogul balloon train over 500 feet long with 23 balloons, sonobuoys, etc.
  4. And most recently, a Mogul balloon train plus crash test dummies dropped at least six years AFTER the 1947 crashes Southeast of Corona and West of Magdalena.”

Some of us in this thread tend to want to ignore the US Air Force's whistleblowers testimonies as being credible evidence whatsoever. They were inebriated "rum soaked" pilots and officers in charge of guarding nuclear weapons installations etcetera and so on.

But when it comes to the US Air Force's official and ever changing explanations pawned off on the public concerning Roswell, do we take them seriously and accept their story(s) as truth? Or is it only retired US Air Force officials who have taken up imbibing and are not to be believed? Apparently it doesn't pay to be a whistleblower in the US Air Force, or NASA, or the CIA, NSA, US Army, US State Dept. US Government etc because then suddenly they are not so credible. Why is it that only after quitting or retiring from the US government agencies do these people suddenly take up drinking and telling tall tales? Are they just trying to command attention? Are their government pensions too small to live on, and now they have to write science fiction stories to supplement their incomes?


My Cat Knows Better
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Come on people, the real reason that the aliens don't come down and visit is because they can't find any intelligent life on the planet.


Fidel
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How many might try flying a Cessna plane over the White House, or over a nuclear power station today?

Amateur Cessna pilots may have dominated NORAD air space for nearly two hours on 9/11, but those were highly irregular incidents and not the norm.

US and international air force pilots have tried to shoot down UFOs ever since the 1950s. Most of the time the UFOs and 'foo fighters'  blow the doors off the fastest military jets though. It's not something they want to advertise a lot.

A small percentage of UFO sightings are actually unexplainable by the experts and skeptics.


Fidel
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Fidel
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Well I guess I'll have to apologize to Jingles. Because both he and Luther Campbell have it figured out. The ex-military guys really are whackos!

Aliens, military wackos, and the next war

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A propaganda campaign to prepare us for the next big war is underway. But this time, the enemy is neither a terrorist nor a communist. Our new nemesis is from another galaxy — that is, if you believe a bunch of former military men who two weeks ago held a news conference in Washington, D.C., to let us know Martians exist and they want our nuclear weapons. Now that's bananas. /.../

I'm telling y'all: It's a scam to keep financing the military defense industry.

The UFOs are being made in China. Then they are exported to the United States, where the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff concoct sightings to get the mainstream media hyped up. Once this lunacy makes MSNBC and CNN, it floods the Internet. Then before you know it, we're slipping millions more into the defense budget.

Very clever, Jingles. And Luther.


Fidel
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Okay, it's nice and quiet in here...

We have crossed galaxies and travelled billions of miles...where are we exactly? Er...Rotherham...

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Eerily it looks just like an object spotted over Belgium in 1990 - which so spooked authorities that F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept it.

Why would they travel to this blue dot just to check out Rotherhammers? Don't they know they know we're not that important and that life here is a wild accident never to be repeated in at least a hundred Darwinian attempts elsewhere? A bloody miracle you say? Go on, duck. I'll have a cup 'o.


Fidel
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UFO disclosure has happened! Did you notice?

Well it took long enough. But why haven't they landed on the White House lawn and announced their presence? Give us one good reason why the US President and Congress are not recognized as speaking for and representing all nations.


Snert
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Here's the question I've always had about extraterrestrials:  so they've got all kinds of awesome technology, and they can communicate telepathically, and they can travel vast distances in space, so they use all of this to come to Arkansas, find some bumpkin on a deserted back road, pluck him from his pickup truck and probe his bum.  WHY???  What is it about the human rectum that "the greys" just cannot get enough of??

No, no we don't want Einstein's DNA.  We're not here for your Molybdenum.  This isn't a diplomatic mission.  But can we probe your hoop, please??


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Jingles wrote:

Exactly, LTJ. I think the fact that most people have no understanding, or ability to understand just how vast are the distances, and how long the timeframe, leads them to the same conclusions as the end-timers and the creationists.

Here's a tool to help with that problem


Fidel
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Snert wrote:
Here's the question I've always had about extraterrestrials:.  WHY???  

Why do people go to the zoo? Why do you find, on any particular day, dozens of people at a bus stop? Why do people like to travel in general? Because they can?

At one time, real scientists said that air travel was impossible. There were once people in Toronto, Ontario who, if asked about air travel from that city to Los Angeles in just a few hours, would have said it was a crazy idea. Obviously those people were not very scientific minded at the time. They were not being very objective about the problem of intercontinental travel by air.

 

snert wrote:
No, no we don't want Einstein's DNA.  We're not here for your Molybdenum.  This isn't a diplomatic mission.  But can we probe your hoop, please??

Diplomatic mission? Usually a diplomatic mission means two equal parties meeting to discuss something. You're assuming they are our intellectual equals. Why would you assume that? When you go to the zoo, are you there on a mission to talk to the monkeys? Why not offer them a book to read, something by Marx in hope that they might learn the way it is and liberate themselves?


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