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CAS says children should not be involved in G20

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Cueball
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Sky Captain wrote:

Then teach your kids how to work for change beyond and besides demonstrating in the streets all of the time-teach them to take a page from the recent right-wing victory in the Toronto elections and work at building relations with those people that aren't convinced/who disdain the progressive message.  Also, teach them how to use the system to get progressive people elected to public office (a great way to start would be to get them the book How to Get Stupid White Men Out of Office: The Anti-Politics, Un-Boring Guide to Power and have them read it from cover to cover, so that they can apply the principles to their lives and truly advance the progressive ideal more than just what's done as usual by the left.

The Chinese govenment would love you to post that in Mandarin. Democracy is predicated on numerous principles. Some of them include the following, the right to free speech, the right to free assembly, and the right to associate freely. Case you forgot that.

You do know that a Canadian court recently sided with a Crown Prosecutor in determining that a panel discussion at a university constituted a "demonstration"?


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Details, details...

I'll bet the judge was a whitey, wasn't he? See, Sky Captain has his single answer to every issue already. Lose all the white guys, and the world is fixed.

Might even work, if democracy and free speech for all (even us pale and aging males) isn't an issue.


Sky Captain
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Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Details, details...

I'll bet the judge was a whitey, wasn't he? See, Sky Captain has his single answer to every issue already. Lose all the white guys, and the world is fixed.

Might even work, if democracy and free speech for all (even us pale and aging males) isn't an issue.

I don't necessarily mean get rid of all the white guys, just the stupid ones, LTJ; it's the title of the book, after all. And one can do worse than to not follow what the book's saying. One can keep on doing the same thing, and get the same result, like most of the left does. I've just shown a better way forward; it's up to the others if the want to pay heed to the wise teachings, or to throw it away like garbage.

Cueball wrote:
 Democracy is predicated on numerous principles. Some of them include the following, the right to free speech, the right to free assembly, and the right to associate freely. Case you forgot that?

Democracy is also predicated on working within the system, and using it to it's fullest extent, in the manner prescribed. Obviously, you've lost your perspective on that, and can only see screaming in the streets as the only way. Maybe the next generation will be somewhat wiser.


Cueball
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What hasn't worked so well? Instituting a national health care program? Welfare? Equity legislation? Charter of Rights? You think that came into being simply because some get along Johnny's didn't rock the boat?

Your reading of history is about a month deep.

You'll be fine though. I don't remember a line for apologists in Pastor Niemöller's famous poem.


RosaL
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There are obvious connections between this thread and the thread about the couple in Calgary who were threatened with losing their children. It's a disturbing trend: radicals can't have kids. Kids can't grow up as radicals. 

 


Sky Captain
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Cueball wrote:

What hasn't worked so well? Instituting a national health care program? Welfare? Equity legislation? Charter of Rights? You think that came into being simply because some get along Johnny's didn't rock the boat?

Your reading of history is about a month deep.

And your cynical nature, along with refusal to see and progress beyond what was done in the past is years deep-right back at you.


Unionist
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Hello - Godwin here!

What about those irresponsible people in Europe of the 30s and 40s who persisted in having Jewish children, rather than converting, escaping, practising birth control, etc.? Not blaming them for being Jewish, but you know, their timing could have been better.


Cueball
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Sky Captain wrote:

Cueball wrote:

What hasn't worked so well? Instituting a national health care program? Welfare? Equity legislation? Charter of Rights? You think that came into being simply because some get along Johnny's didn't rock the boat?

Your reading of history is about a month deep.

And your cynical nature, along with refusal to see and progress beyond what was done in the past is years deep-right back at you.

And you have achieved what? Did you throw a few cents the way of some homeless person or other. Is that your contribution?

I am not cynical at all. I know for a fact that every act of resistance, no matter how small has an impact, directly and concretely. You would rather denigrate those that have the courage to take to the streets than take a stand on anything, and defend the supression of the rights that were won for you by others who you insult.


Cueball
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I guess it is pretty clear that Sky Captain actually doesn't approve of public demonstrations. So much for all the "for the sake of the children" clap-trap. That was just an excuse for inserting his real agenda, much like the CAS, in this case.


Fidel
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It's teaching kids disrespect for the fascist-bastard establishment. I don't see what's wrong here.


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Sky Captain wrote:

One can keep on doing the same thing, and get the same result, like most of the left does. I've just shown a better way forward; it's up to the others if the want to pay heed to the wise teachings, or to throw it away like garbage.

Actually, you haven't shown doodley-squat; you can't even be bothered to paraphrase this yanqui scribbling you reference so reverently. Instead you repeatedly give us your views on some phantom 'left' that you hold in contempt - for reasons you can't seem to enunciate.


Cueball
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At least we now know that Sky Captain actually doesn't approve of public demonstrations, or the "left", and all this chatter that he has been purveying on this thread for the "sake of the children" was little more than cynical manipulation of child safety issue for purely political reasons, and nothing at all to do with protecting children.

He was just using that as an emotional wedge issue.


Sky Captain
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And your 'concern' for the kids 'victimized' by CAS is just hatred of an organization set up to help them simply because you disagree with what they say. Kind of like 'Suppose you were an unreasoning zelot who could not see a different way of doing something. And suppose you were a member of Babble. But, I repeat myself.' (in response to the quote of Martin Niemöller said by you above, and with apologies to Mark Twain.)


Cueball
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Based on what supposition? You entered this discussion with a great big faux argument based in your "think of the children" rhetoric that had nothing to do with anything you really care about. It was just senseless left bashing. obviously, now we see, because you disagree with public demonstration. You can't even prove that public demonstrations hurt children.

Not one case, where you can show that children were put in harms way, yet alone harmed. All this cynical manipulation shows precisely how hypocritical and deceitful you really are.

Fine. You don't like the "left". And fine "public demonstration" offends you. Fine. You are entitled to your opinions, but please don't drag in other peoples children into your personal issues with the left, as if you really care. Its truly disgusting.


Cueball
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How the German people used demonstration to end the euthanasia program against the disabled during WW2:

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By August the protests had spread to Bavaria. According to Gitta Sereny, Hitler himself was jeered by an angry crowd at Hof - the only time he was opposed in public during his 12 years of rule. Despite his private fury, Hitler knew that he could not afford a confrontation with the Church at a time when Germany was engaged in a life-and-death war, a belief which was reinforced by the advice of Goebbels, Martin Bormann, head of the Party Chancellery, and Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS. Robert Lifton writes: "Nazi leaders faced the prospect of either having to imprison prominent, highly admired clergymen and other protesters - a course with consequences in terms of adverse public reaction they greatly feared - or else end the program." Himmler said: "If operation T4 had been entrusted to the SS, things would have happened differently", because "when the Führer entrusts us with a job, we know how to deal with it correctly, without causing useless uproar among the people."

On 24 August 1941 Hitler ordered the cancellation of the T4 program...

Suck on it Sky Captain...

 


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Unionist wrote:

What about those irresponsible people in Europe of the 30s and 40s who persisted in having Jewish children, rather than converting, escaping, practising birth control, etc.? Not blaming them for being Jewish, but you know, their timing could have been better.

Laughing


Maysie
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Closing for length.


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