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Because, like so many male leaders of the NDP before her, she tried hard to be a pandering, opportunistic, wannabe Liberal in all but name - utterly convinced that people would never vote for a party and a leader with courage and principles.
So you're right. It's not just Carole James. It's the tradition she embodied.
Good riddance to her. Hopefully NDP supporters will draw the right conclusion. Somehow, I'm pessimistic.
Mable Elmore for leader!
That is slander IMV, unionist.
I don't blame NDP voters in B.C. Because more of them than Liberal Party supporters voted for modernizing the obsolete, white male friendly electoral system favoring big money parties out there.
Not voting is tantamount to saying, Yes! I agree with ALL of that lying-liar Gordon Campbell's anti-women and anti-child rights policies of the last decade. And, May I have some more, please!
This is really something. We have Fidel and Remind urging a boycott of the NDP. What happened to party unity for the sake of winning the next election?
Remind the problem with Carole James was she didn't resonate with enough people. You are likely right that her heritage is tightly wound inside that paradigm. She was never going to lead the party into the next election. The sit down with the boys from the unions was always coming. i am just hoping the timing has been put off enough to get a better leader not a worse one.
Unlike you I will be rejoining the party and when I determine who I want to be Premier I will be working to sell memberships and help the party rebound and get stronger. Mable is a good choice for a candidate but not really experienced enough to be Premier. At this point I don't know who I would like to see. Dawn Black is well positioned within the old guard side of the party to be one of their preferred candidates. If the back room dealers in the party don't pull too many procedural "tricks" then the exercise will be healing. I would suggest that in BC all progressives should reengage in the party to show energy and get a solid leader who will win the next election.
Or Twilight White?
Seriously now, is there any policy and principle issue dividing all these ambitious little people, or am I just being terribly naive?
Just watch Kropotkin, many progressive women, at the very least will be walking away, and this will be compounded even more if a male leader is picked, and other demographic segments will be walking away as well.
You all miscalculated her real, not poll, popularity.
Fidel is actually NOT advocating what you stated, in fact quite the opposite.
Meanwhile;
Women of BC, boycott the NDP, stay at home at election time, and work hard in your community to build a better province from the grass roots up.
You could do several thing to inform yourself. Lots of reasons here on babble. Read about her torpedoing pro rep, watch her torpedo the ndp in her exit speech. read about her pro carbon tax, anti carbon tax and then pro carbon tax conversions. Then we have her attempted cosying up to business all the while being backed by some pretty intense union bosses. The leadership wanted to spend lots and lots of money on the anti hst campaign too.
Where does that money come from? They are not exactly flush with cash for fighting the next election, are they? But no, lets dig the hole a few miles deeper.
What the hell did she really stand for? She is pretty clear "the law is the law" but that is only except when she broke it. Remember? She kicked simpson out on her own. She is not allowed to do that.
I had better repeat because you did not get it the 4th time. She is not allowed to do that.
There has to be limits ESPECIALLY for leaders.
Campbell was a despot but what is the point in changing to NDP if you are just going to get another despot?
So the despot is gone. There is a chance to build thrust in the NDP again.
But the despot tried very hard to leave her culture behind her. Her parting speech showed just how far down the "I am right, and you are WRONG" road she has gone.
There is the door Carole, try not to slash any more people on your way out.
I don't know what voting for the lesser evil gets you, but I know that not voting leaves you powerless.
Again, don't hold your breath. James didn't enjoy unity, so those who opposed her can't expect anything different for the next leader.
Those who live by the sword die by it.
And gracefull victory speeches like this will certainly unite the party.
You know, remind, if I said that, you would call me a male etc pig and have me banned from babble.
Maybe you are away and someone sneeked in and wrote it? (I edited to make it clearer. ) Try saying it with gordo's voice or Archie bunkers and you might get the picture.
In the rush to get an 'electable' leader I hope the party learns an important lesson from this. Being 'middle-of-the-road' and sucking up to the powers that be doesn't make people any more likely to vote for you. All the praise you could ever hope for from mainstream media personalities like Gary Mason and Vaughan Palmer doesn't make you more popular. People vote for you because they think you'll fight for their interests, that means having some clear principles, articulating them and sticking by them regardless of what rightwing media hacks might write about you. I'd be pretty dubious about anyone Vaughan Palmer was promoting, he's got it completely wrong up to this point.
Dawn Black trys for leadership, and it will be even worse, as her resignation federally, to run provincially will smack of planned events.
All everyone needs to know is that it is time to boycott the BCNDP.
If the BCNDP gets a couple of interesting candidates(no one on Palmer's list qualifies) I predict membership will get a significant bump.
Absolutely cannot see any sense in this post of yours at all...are you trying to state "reverse sexism" or what?
and then what?
It was not a victory speech. Have you done ANY of that research yet? Coming wadeing in every 6 or 8 posts like J wayne
and proclaiming that you do not know why people are pissed at James even after a dozen attempts to tell you why is kinda annoying.
How about reading the history of James first?
Every time James opens her mouth she pisses people off. Its like she thinks we are stupid. She talks down to people.
That's pretty far-fetched. YOu'd have to credit her with playing some sort of Harper-like eight-dimensional chess game to belive that - and in any case - even if it were true - so what? I expect politicians to be ambitious - if they weren't they wouldn't be in politics. In any case Dawn Black was loyal to Carole James right to the end.
It does look almost certain that the NDP will pick its next leader AFTER the BC Liberals pick theirs - I wonder to what extent the winner of the NDP leadership will partly be a reaction to who they are going to have to run against?
PS: Brian White - why don't you lay off Carole James already - you got your pound of flesh - aren't you happy now? I really don't see why you feel the need to keep lobbing vicious, hateful mean-spirited comments at her. You got what you wanted - time to move on and find someone new to direct all your hostility towards. maybe you should start a campaign to crucify Jane Sterk (there's a name no one has mentioned in a long time).
You're pissing off James supporters needlessly.
Thanks Remind when I reread Fidel I realized he was being sarcastic. I often find it hard to differentiate between a rant and a sarcastic rant.
Just a few of the strong progressive women still in the caucus. I hope Carole stays on to win another election as MLA and become a great Education Minister.
Brian White, how about you name me just five ridings, anywhere in BC, that the NDP could have or should have won in the last election, but which went Liberal specifically because of Carole James' positions on the carbon tax or MMP, and in which the loss had nothing to do with the fact that the NDP was already at its traditional vote ceiling that it can never, ever break through in the absence of a split on the right?
There's a big difference between what issues play with the base and what issues play with the swing voters that you need to win over to actually win the election -- and while as a member of the NDP base I may not agree with every position a leader takes, I don't see how those were the make-or-break issues with the rest of the voting public.
Let us know who you consider to be an "interesting candidate" and at least that will tell me who NOT to root for!
Nothing, BC Liberals get back in, as having a male BCNDP leader would be no damn different. Need I say Clark and Dosanjh again and again????
The 'wanna be' boyzzz in the BCNDP have gone too far this time.
Diane Watts would be their only saving option :P
Hahah, it's true, your politics seem to be a lot more in line with Can West/Global scribes like Vaughan Palmer and Gary Mason. They thought Gordon Cambell was pretty good too!
None of the 3 women you mentioned, Kropotkin, who stood against Carole have a chance at leadership, say nothing of winning the election.
Quislings one and all.
Any women that don't agree with Remind are sexist, racist quislings, there's no point arguing.
The NDP stalwarts on this board are certainly unpredictable. Who would have thought that people would all ready be asserting that they will never put away the knives? Pathetic
Not at all, she knows exactly what is going on in the back rooms.....
You are wrong on both accounts, but that is hardly surprising.
I mentioned her above, and Brian White voted for Jane Sterk, he is Green Party, like the majority of advocates here against James. Somehow they think the BC Green Party will pick up the pissed off women vote.
But that won't be happening either, given Sterk's Reform Party roots and her love of Gordon Campbell.
Any women who would knfe another woman in the back to further themselves is in the wrong party, and needs to move on to the BC Liberals or Conservatives. They are quislings.
Men who try to deny the entrenched racism and sexism in our society say nothing of the world of politics, are only deluding themselves
Nope, I never said that. I worked very hard for the Clark goverrnment after Harcourt was tossed out, even though I thought Harcourt got a bad deal. I live in Alberta now, so I don't have a lot of knives to use in BC anymore.
I'm just observing and predicting. Don't shoot the messenger.
But also, don't be surprised. This is entirely predictable, has happened every single time (both in the BC NDP and elsewhere) when leaders with a strong base are forced out.