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H1N1 Advisors received kickbacks from H1N1 vaccine manufacturers

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Bec.De.Corbin
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oldgoat wrote:

Well you can't sell the same pandemic twice, andf it's time to gear up for the new season.  We've had swine flu, avian flu, I woder which species will get the nod for the next one.

 

Golden Retriever flu, now that would sell some vaccine!

Cat scratch fever flu...Laughing


remind
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Tigana wrote:
People are getting wise to Pharma and natural good health is catching on!

I think so too,and see that more get it all the time!


jrootham
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I just saw that clip.  I'm speechless.

OK,  Big Pharma wants to make lots of money, and isn't the most ethical group out there.

But damn right you should be afraid of your kids chicken pox.

And what is this, I can't see germs, so they won't hurt me?

Also, the CDC is not Big Pharma, it is operating under an entirely different set of institutional imperatives.

Do you really want to go back to this?


Tigana
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 It's amazing what science is doing these days.

Want genetically modified warm fuzzy teeth?
http://intraspec.ca/avoid-GMO-products.php

 

jrootham, these are not our parents' vaccines.


A recombinant (reverse engineered) trivalent (3 viruses) Hemaggluten protein-based (cloned vectors/sections of DNA) Influenza vaccine will replace the current egg based Flu shot in 2011-12 in the US, likely worldwide. Frankenstein science? "high density of repeats... ...spontaneous recombination of plasmid." Your baby's DNA will be turned inside out, as will yours. Time to wake up folks. 

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMra1002842

A recombinant trivalent HA protein–based influenza vaccine is in the late stages of clinical development in the United States (Fig. 2A). As soon as the influenza vaccine strains are selected, the genes encoding the HA proteins are cloned in...to baculovirus vectors. Insect cells infected with these vectors express HA proteins, which are then further purified and formulated into a trivalent vaccine.41

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMra1002842

 

Speaking at a Senate committee hearing today, US Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said a cell-based seasonal influenza vaccine from Novartis could be on the US market in time for the 2011-12 flu season.

 

With the help of a $487 million HHS contract, Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics recently built a facility in Holly Springs, N.C., to make cell-based flu vaccines and vaccine adjuvants. No cell-based flu vaccine has yet been licensed in the United States, though such vaccines have been approved in Europe.

 

Referring to the Novartis facility, Sebelius said, "It's scheduled to be online to apply for licensing early in 2011 for cell-based seasonal vaccine, and a licensed vaccine is expected to be marketed for the 2011-112 flu season." http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/sep2910hearing.html

 

Analysis of DNA repeats in bacterial plasmids reveals the potential for recurrent instability events -

In natural plasmids, we observed an overrepresentation of close direct repeats in comparison to inverted ones and a preferential location ...of repeats with high recombination potential in intergenic regions, suggesting a highly plastic and dynamic behavior. In plasmid vectors, we found a high density of repeats within eukaryotic promoters and non-coding sequences. As a result of this in silico analysis, we detected a spontaneous recombination between two 21-bp direct repeats present in the human cytomegalovirus early enhancer/promoter (huCMV EEP) of the pCIneo plasmid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20496146

 


jrootham
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You will notice that the url for the problem report is the NIH.  I am not saying we should not scrutinize the licensing process closely, I am saying a blanket evasion of vaccination is a bad thing.


Noah_Scape
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First off, I just have to say this is excellent reportage, Tigana.

jrootham wrote:

Do you really want to go back to this?

  "This" being a list of illnesses that are commonly vaccinated against.

  Taken a look at one at a time, and then deciding which illnesses we and our kids should be vaccinated against, is the way to go, methinks.

  We should be asking "which illnesses do we suffer least from, and possibly benefit from by stimulating our immune systems?" If it doesn't kill us, it just might make us stronger.

Quote from Link: "Before 1963, more than 3 million cases of measles and 500 deaths from measles were reported each year. More than 90% of children had measles by age 15. In 2002, there were 44 cases of measles" end quote

I say "let them eat measles!!". Its good for the kids. They almost never don't die from it, and it makes the immune system stronger in a natural way. Along the same lines, I have a belief that I have "innoculated" myself against Salmonella by eating lots of raw eggs [nobody is telling me different, but I am listening...].

 

Perhaps an illness that should be considered for vaccination is Polio. It is very destructive in many cases {right? or is that just an historical innaccuracy?}

 

Such a debate, about which diseases to endure and which to vaccinate against, is not about to be proposed as the Health Authorities campaign to vaccinate against every germ and virus on the planet. This tastes a lot like the human race's absurd idea of controlling nature - we have a LOT to learn before we can assume to know how to do that, including the lesson that nature has been working pretty damn well on it's own [it produced humans, possibly it's worst mistake but nature will recover eventually].


Noah_Scape
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And then 10 minutes after posting the above, I came across this article at HitmanUSA - Quote:

    "A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Libary found no evidence of benefit for influenza vaccinations and also noted that the vast majority of trials were inadequate.

     The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were industry-funded. They also pointed out that the industry-funded studies were more likely to be published in the most prestigious journals...and one more thing: They found cases of severe harm caused by the vaccines, in spite of inadequate reporting of adverse effects.

     The study, "Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults", is damning of the entire pharmaceutical industry and its minions, the drug testing industry and the medical system that relies on them."

- end quote -

Links -

Whole Article, with Study notes:

  > http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/myths-and-facts-study-veri...

USAHitman: 

> http://usahitman.com/myths-and-facts-study-verifies-that-there-is-no-val...

 


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jrootham
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I could believe that.  Flu is tough.  It keeps changing.  You will notice that recommendations for getting flu shots are a lot more optional than other vaccines.

Cost benefit analyses are done for vaccines.  And, yes, the ones out of the industry should be taken with a grain of salt.

If I had my druthers I'd shot down for profit drug makers and replace them with academic co-ops, starting by resurrecting Connaught Labs.


Tigana
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jrootham, I think vaccines are a wicked lie - and now with DNA mutations, likely to be fatal.

Our universities take huge sums of money from Pharma. So Pharma tells them who shall be chairs, what shall be researched, what shall be taught -  perfect miseducation. 

Update from the creator of http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/

In 2 recent landmark Canadian Studies researchers found that seasonal flu vaccination was associated with a 68 percent increased risk of getting swine flu (a 1.4- to 5.0-times greater risk of having swine flu). CONCLUSION? THE "HERD" IS BEING RE-ENGINEERED IN PREPARATION FOR A PLANNED PANDEMIC CIRCA 2012. THE ELITES HAVE THEIR VIRUS/BACTERIUM BIOWEAPON IN PLACE.

The traditional seasonal flu vaccine may have increased the risk of infection with pandemic H1N1 swine flu, according to the results of four new studies by Canadian researchers.
Click here to find out more!

In one study, the researchers used ...an ongoing sentinel monitoring system to assess the frequency of prior vaccination with the seasonal flu vaccine in people diagnosed with H1N1 swine flu in 2009 compared to people without swine flu. The researchers found that seasonal flu vaccination was associated with a 68 percent increased risk of getting swine flu.

The other three studies included additional case-control investigations in Ontario and Quebec, as well as a transmission study in 47 Quebec households that were hit with swine flu. In these studies, the researchers found that seasonal flu vaccination was associated with a 1.4- to 5.0-times greater risk of having swine flu.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/infectious-diseases/articles/2010/04/06/did-regular-flu-shot-up-risks-for-h1n1-flu.html

Estimates from the sentinel and three other observational studies, involving a total of 1,226 laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 cases and 1,505 controls, indicated that prior receipt of 2008–09 TIV was associated with increased risk of medically attended pH1N1 illness during the spring–summer 2009, with estimated risk or odds ratios ranging from 1.4 to 2.5.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000258

Research on the H1N1 Virus/Bacterium hybrid traces back even further however to 1942,

ROCKEFELLER CONNECTION – Always follow the money

‘Synergistic Action Of Hemophilus Influenzae Suis And The Swine influenza Virus On The Chick Embryo’ By Fre...derik B. Bang, M.D. *Department of Animal and Plant Pathology of The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, Princeton, New Jersey – Received for publication, August 20, 1942

“We have found that the combined infection of embryos with swine influenza virus and H. infl~nzae suis produces a highly lethal infection, while neither one alone kills many embryos. Infection with the virus allows the Hemophilus to persist longer than it does in normal embryos. Finally the combined infection has a selective destructive effect on the embryo lungs.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135289/pdf/7.pdf

BIO WEAPON COCKTAIL: H1N1 (Swine) + H1N2 (Swine) + H5N1 (Bird) + H3N2 (Human) + BACTERIA = PANDEMIC
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=884

USC Sec. 1524/TITLE 50 – WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE: CHAPTER 32 (CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM)

‘The Secretary of Defense may enter into agreements with the Secretary of Health and Human Services to provide support for vaccination programs of the Secretary of Health and Human Services in the United States through use of the excess peacetime biological weapons defense capability of the Department of Defense.’
http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t49t50+1902+0++%28%29++AND+%28USC+w%2F10+%281524%29%29%3ACITE

Excerpt from recent Rockefeller study/Scenario Narratives: LOCK STEP - A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback,

'In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009’s H1N1, this new influenza strain — originating from wild geese — was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults.'
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=5102


jrootham
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I have nothing to say to anyone who thinks vaccinations are a wicked lie, except to throw them in jail if they try to avoid vaccinating their children.

 


Noah_Scape
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jrootham wrote:

I have nothing to say to anyone who thinks vaccinations are a wicked lie, except to throw them in jail if they try to avoid vaccinating their children.

 

to jrootham: 

   Oh, my. That is just so "the propaganda got to me".  You obviously read Tigana's post just above your comment, and you STILL say that?

  I was told that I was putting other people at risk by not getting the H1N1 flu shot - that was purely propagandist and it was spread throughout our local communities by people like you.

  You would throw me in jail for my stance. That shows an authoritarian slant that is typical of people who are swept up by government and corporate propaganda.

  But, I guess you have "nothing to say" to me because I believe "vaccines are a wicked lie". I suppose that is just as well, but go ahead anyhow.


jrootham
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Damn right I still say that.  yes, Big Pharma is corrupt, but childhood vaccinations are still critical.  I am not in favour of killing children.

Flu shot is not what I was talking about, that's optional and should be.

 


remind
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jrootham wrote:
Damn right I still say that.  yes, Big Pharma is corrupt, but childhood vaccinations are still critical.  I am not in favour of killing children.

Flu shot is not what I was talking about, that's optional and should be.

 

Wow, "killing children" is pretty far fetched. So how about you slap up some stats on how many children have been killed by their parents by their not having childhood vaccinations?

Personally, I am more worried about the real and actual killing of children, by parents, mainly men, than I am about choosing not to vaccinate your children for diseases they will not normally die from in the first place.


Noah_Scape
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Right, there are other issues, but this thread is specifically about the H1N1 vaccine.

More of the same I suppose, but FYI I found another article here > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fastTrackSwineFluVaccineUnderFire.php

Quotes and Notes from that link:

the mass vaccination programmes governments are putting in place to combat the emerging pandemic could well be worse than the pandemic itself.

Critics point out that the ‘vaccination experts' are dominated by the vaccine makers standing to gain from the enormously lucrative vaccine and antiviral contracts awarded by governments. But the decisive argument against mass vaccinations is that flu shots simply don't work and are dangerous [9].

 


jrootham
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Killing children is not far fetched.  It is exactly what vaccinations are about. Here is polio fatalities in Canada, you really want to go back to 1953?

Here is some stuff on measles.

The CBC is showing about 400 solved child and youth homicides per year, and in family, a relatively even split between fathers and mothers who kill.

So, yeah, at this point dealing with homicide is more important.  No reason not to do vaccinations though.

 


polly bee
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jrootham wrote:

I have nothing to say to anyone who thinks vaccinations are a wicked lie, except to throw them in jail if they try to avoid vaccinating their children.

 

 

If you were responding to the comment right above yours, and it would appear you were, it is pretty obvious that it referred to H1N1 vaccinations...........not all childhood vaccinations.


Tigana
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Vaccine garbage?

 

VRM: H1N1 Vaccine Surplus From 2009 Reveals Growing Distrust of Gov’t & WHO – Cost To Taxpayers Exceeds 2.5 Billion VRM: H1N1 Vaccine Surplus From 2009 Reveals Growing Distrust of Gov't & WHO - Cost To Taxpayers Exceeds 2.5 Billion 10th July 2010 - By Joel Lord

Vaccine surplusVACCINE SURPLUS FROM 2009 – Canada: $200,000,000+ worth of unused H1N1 vaccine. United States: $455,000,000+ worth of unused H1N1 vaccine. France: approximately $750,000,000 worth of unused H1N1 vaccine supply. Britain: $250,000,000 worth of unused H1N1 vaccine supply (3.8 million doses). Germany: $300,000,000 (approximately 48 million doses wasted). Italy: $260,000,000 worth of H1N1 vaccine supply unused (40 million doses). Netherlands & other Euro countries: comparable waste.

$200,000,000 (Canada)
$455,000,000  (United States)
$750,000,000 (France)
$250,000,000 (Britain)
$300,000,000 (Germany)
$260,000,000 (Italy)
$150,000,000 (Netherlands)
$250,000,000 (Europe misc.)
—————————————————-
$2,500,000,000+ (Conservative total)

 

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=4969

 

And as for vaccines for childhood diseases - parents have pox parties -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party


Tigana
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edited - double post

More from http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/

"SLIGHT" CONFLICT OF INTEREST - Dr. Arnold Monto, University of Michigan, co-author of ‘WHO Guidelines on the Use of Vaccines & Antivirals during Influenza Pandemics 2004, simultaneously received honorariums, consultancy fees & research support from Pharma giants GlaxoSmithKline, Roche & ViroPharma.

 

Prominent Scientists, Professors & Doctors on the double dipping payroll include:

 

1) Dr.René Snacken/Belgian Ministry of Public Health, WHO Division of Viral Diseases (1998), Co-author of ‘Influenza Pandemic Plan: The Role of WHO and Guideli...nes for National and Regional Planning’ (1999), also funded researcher for Roche (Tamiflu)

 

2) Dr Daniel Lavanchy/Co-author of ‘Influenza Pandemic Plan: The Role of WHO and Guidelines for National and Regional Planning’ (1999), appeared at a Roche sponsored symposium in 1998 while employed at WHO Division of Viral Diseases.

 

3) Professor Karl Nicholson/Leicester University, UK, Member of The European Scientific Working Group on Influenza (ESWI) which collaborated with WHO on ‘Influenza Pandemic Plan: The Role of WHO and Guidelines for National and Regional Planning’, co-author of ‘WHO Guidelines on the Use of Vaccines and Antivirals during Influenza Pandemics 2004′ (author of the third annex, Pandemic Influenza), also on Roche pharmaceutical Company Payroll, conducted a randomised controlled trial on oseltamivir (Tamiflu) supported by Roche and also received travel sponsorship and honorariums from GlaxoSmithKline and Roche for consultancy work and speaking at international respiratory and infectious diseases symposiums.

 

4) Professor Abe Osterhaus/Erasmus University, Netherlands, Member of The European Scientific Working Group on Influenza (ESWI) which collaborated with WHO on ‘Influenza Pandemic Plan: The Role of WHO and Guidelines for National and Regional Planning’, also conducted a randomised controlled trial on oseltamivir (Tamiflu) supported by Roche.

 

5) Professor Fred Hayden, University of Virginia, co-author of ‘WHO Guidelines on the Use of Vaccines and Antivirals during Influenza Pandemics 2004′ (Section titled ‘The specific guidance on antivirals, Considerations for the Use of Antivirals During an Influenza Pandemic’), was being paid by Roche for lectures and consultancy work for the company at the time the guidance was produced and published, also received payments from GlaxoSmithKline for consultancy and lecturing until 2002.

 

6) Dr. Arnold Monto, University of Michegan, co-author of ‘WHO Guidelines on the Use of Vaccines and Antivirals during Influenza Pandemics 2004′ (annexe dealing with vaccine usage in pandemics), while simultaneously receiving honorariums, consultancy fees, and research support from Roche, consultancy fees and research support from GlaxoSmithKline ($3000 speakers fees in 2009) and also research funding from ViroPharma. 

 

7) Arnold Monto, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, has declared current and past consultancies in the field of pandemic and/or seasonal influenza for GSK, Novartis, Roche, Baxter and Sanofi. The remuneration for each of these consultancies is below US$10 000. In addition, his research unit at the University of Michigan has received a grant from Sanofi Pasteur for a clinical trial conducted in 2007-2008 on the comparative efficacy of inactivated and live attenuated influenza vaccines.

 

8) John Wood, a principal scientist in the virology division of the UK’s National Institute for Biological Standards and Control, has performed contract research for Sanofi Pasteur, CSL, IFPMA, Novartis and Powdermed in the field of influenza vaccine research and development.

 

9) Maria Zambon, who heads the respiratory virus unit in the virus reference department at the Health Protection Agency, Centre for Infection in London, receives funding from vaccine manufacturers, including Sanofi, Novartis, CSL, Baxter and GSK, for contract work in her laboratory.

 

10) Neil Morris Ferguson, a chair in mathematical biology in the department of infectious disease epidemiology at the Imperial College Faculty of Medicine in London, has acted as a consultant for Roche and GSK Biologicals (ceasing in 2007), with total remuneration from all such work being under US$7 000 in 2007.

 

11) Nancy Cox, the director of the influenza division at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, disclosed that her public health and surveillance research unit at the US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) receives financial support from IFPMA for activities of CDC as a WHO Collaborating Centre in the field of influenza vaccine research and virus isolation work.

 

VRM: World Health Organization & Vaccine Manufacturers Implicated In Massive H1N1 Financial Scam Involving Kickbacks & Cover-ups

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=4610

 

The WHO have issued a measured statement in conjunction with this release; deflecting attention away from the obvious conflicts of interest while back-peddling away from any further investigation into suspicious corporate alliances: “The in...terests summarized above do not give rise to a conflict of interest such that the experts concerned should be partially or totally excluded from participation in the Emergency Committee. However, following WHO’s policy, they were disclosed within the Committee so that other members were aware of them. All other Members of the Emergency Committee declared no relevant interests.”

http://www.who.int/ihr/emerg_comm_members_2009/en/

 


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When my kids were little we did something similar for chickenpox.  When one of the group was infected with chickenpox we actively did NOT quarantine them from the other kids.  The idea was to have your kids get it and get it over with, and it seemed to have worked.  There was no chicken pox vaccine back then.

 

(edit - obviously whatever comment I was referring to has disappeared.  It was something about parents getting together for the purpose of having their kids contract diseases from one another.)


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I will apologize to the extent that it applies only to the flu vaccine.  When I read it I assumed it was a blanket objection to vaccination.

 

polly bee wrote:

jrootham wrote:

I have nothing to say to anyone who thinks vaccinations are a wicked lie, except to throw them in jail if they try to avoid vaccinating their children.

 

 

If you were responding to the comment right above yours, and it would appear you were, it is pretty obvious that it referred to H1N1 vaccinations...........not all childhood vaccinations.


Tigana
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There is not need to apologize to us, jrootham. I hope that you will never have to apologize to people your erroneous beliefs have harmed. Please read some vaccine package inserts.

I do object to vaccinations because of what I have learned about what goes into them and what they do to the body.

Vitamin C is harmless, will prevent most infections or stop them in their tracks - even polio.

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-19...

Vaccines can be used as a sort of "smallpox blanket" to decimate indigenous peoples - and other useless eaters:

 

FOREWORD by Linus Pauling to 'Every Second Child' by Dr Kalokerinos

"THIS book presents the engrossing account of the attack, in large part ultimately successful, made by Dr. Archie Kalokerinos on the problem of the very high death rate of Aboriginal children in the part of New South Wales in which he was working. After he had recognized the problem and had rejected the usual explanations of the high death rate of the Aboriginal infants, he was led finally to the conclusion that the infants were suffering from scurvy, a deficiency of vitamin C. This discovery was at first re jected by the authorities, and by most of his fellow physicians; but the weight of the evidence has finally led to acceptance of his views.

Through his work Dr. Kalokerinos has made a great contribution to the health and welfare not only of the Australian Aborigines but also of people everywhere in the world.

The idea that there might be a rather general deficiency in vitamin C was developed slowly during the twenty years from about 1949. In that year G. B. Bourne pointed out that the gorilla, which like man requires vitamin C in his food in order to keep alive, obtains in his daily supply of food a very large amount of vitamin C, about 5,000 milligrams, 100 times the amount usually recommended for human beings. In 1965 the American biochemist Irwin Stone presented several arguments to support the thesis that the optimum intake of vitamin C, the intake that leads to the best of health, probably for most people lies be tween 1,000 and 5,000 milligrams per day. One argument leading to this conclusion is that most animals manufacture vitamin C in their own bodies, and the amount manufactured corresponds to an intake by man of between 4,000 and 16,000 milligrams per day. It is interesting also that the Committee on Human Foods and Nutrition of the United States Academy of Sciences-National Research Council recommends only 60 milligrams per day for human beings, whereas the Committee on Feeding of Laboratory Animals, also a committee of the United States National Academy of Sciences-National Research Council, recommends 2,000 milligrams per day for monkeys. It is likely that the second committee has more reliable experimental information to support its recommendation than the first commit tee, because it is possible to carry out controlled experiments on monkeys more easily than on human beings.

In the period between 1942 and 1961 several investigations were reported in which it was found that people receiving 200 milligrams to 1000 milligrams of vitamin C per day had fewer colds than people who were given an inactive tablet. During the last three years six more studies have been made of people who receive either vitamin C or an inactive tablet over a period of weeks or months, and they were observed to see whether the incidence and sever ity of colds were affected. It was found in every one of these investigations that an added intake of vitamin C leads to a decrease in the number of colds and also to a decrease in the amount of illness caused by colds. Moreover, it has been found that there is a decrease in the incidence of non-respiratory diseases, as well. We may conclude from these studies that an improvement in health may in general be expected to result from an increased intake of vitamin C.

The problem of obtaining a suitable amount of vitamin C is, of course, a far more serious one for the Australian Aborigines than for other people. I believe that the conclusion reached by Dr. Kalokerinos that the high infant mortality and generally high incidence of disease among the Aboriginal infants are to be attributed in considerable part to a low body content of vitamin C is correct. Moreover, it seems to be not unlikely that the Australian Aborigines have a special immunological problem, as described by Dr. Kalokerinos, and that in addition the deficiency in vitamin C is exacerbated by immunizations and inoculations, since it is known that immunization and inoculation lead to destruction of vitamin C. Dr. Kalokerinos deserves much credit for having made these discoveries."

LINUS PAULING, Ph.D.

http://www.whale.to/b/pauling.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/every_second_child.html

http://www.amazon.com/Every-Second-Child-Archie-Kalokerinos/dp/0879832509

VRM: Vaccine Clinic – A Concise Compendium To The Problem With Vaccines 7th November 2010 - By Joel Lord

Factors determining the extent of vaccine derived neurological damage: 

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=6278


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I know about Linus Pauling, and on this subject he is talking crap.

Count the dead.  There are more dead without vaccination than with.

 


Tigana
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It looks as if the entire vaccination industry was built on a lie.

 

from http://www.reformation.org/newsday-lies.html

Newsday and Smallpox

Obviously Newsday receives hugh bribes from the vaccine manufacturers. Why else would they print the LIES about smallpox without having spent time researching the subject?

Newday states:

"Jenner, a British physician, developed a vaccine against the disease after noticing that young women who milked cows never got smallpox."

Edward Jenner's biography was written by his close friend and confidant, John Baron, M.D. The book was published in 1838. It is out-of- print but is available in many libraries in America. Even though he tries very, very hard to do well by his good friend, Jenner's folly is apparent on almost EVERY page. That is probably the reason why the book is not in print. Here is a quote from that book about smallpox and milkmaids:

"Many years elapsed before he had an opportunity of completing his projected experiments in vaccination, and he encountered numerous difficulties in carrying on the preliminary part of his inquiry. In the first place, he had found from his own observation, as well as from that of other medical gentlemen in the county, that what was commonly called cow pox, was not a certain preventive of small-pox. This fact damped, but did not extinguish, his ardour. By prosecuting his investigation a little farther, this difficulty was obviated. He discovered that cows were subject to a variety of spontaneous eruptions on their teats; that they all were capable of communicating sores to the hands of the milkers; and that whatever sore was so produced, was called, in the dairy, cow-pox. This was satisfactory information and removed one great difficulty, and suggested a distinction between these diseases,--one being called by him the true, the other the spurious, cow-pox ; the former possessing a specific power over the constitution, the other not. This impediment was scarcely removed before another of more formidable aspect arose. He learned that there were well authenticated instances to prove that when the true cow-pox broke out among the cattle at a dairy, and was communicated to the milkers, even they had subsequently had small-pox. Tidings of this kind, which seemed to render farther investigation useless, checked for a season his fond hopes; but resistance and difficulty only augmented his energy, and he resumed his labours with redoubled zeal. The result was most happy, and enabled him to take that great step in the progress of his inquiry, without which none of its anticipated advantages could have been realized.

"On the former occasion he discovered that there were two distinct affections, both vulgarly denominated cow-pox; that one gave protection against smallpox, that the other did not: but when he found that what he concluded to be the true cow-pox itself could not be depended on, he felt much perplexed.Most men would, at this stage, have abandoned the investigation in despair. It was not so with Jenner. He conceived that in such cases there must be some ascertainable cause for the deviation from the ordinary effects of the disease. It occurred to him that the virus of the cow-pox itself might have undergone some change whereby its specific virtues were lost; that, in its deteriorated state, it might have been incapable of producing a local disease upon the hand of the milker, but no such influence upon the constitution as is requisite to render the individual unsusceptible of variolous contagion; so that the same cow might one day communicate a genuine and efficacious preventive, and the next, nothing but a local affection which could exert no beneficial influence whatever on the constitution. This most ingenious and forcible reasoning, supported by analogies drawn from the well-known properties of the virus of small-pox itself, received an ample confirmation from experience, and was the basis on which some of the fundamental rules for the practice of vaccination were founded. It was ascertained that it was only in a certain state of the pustule that virus was afforded capable of imparting to the constitution its protecting power; that matter taken after this period might excite a local disease, but not of such a sort as to render the individual proof against the effects of variolous contagion. (Life of Edward Jenner, by John Baron, Vol. I, pages 131-132.)"

 


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A little something on H1N1 package inserts

 

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-insert-adm...

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock And Death

 

 

http://debstake.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-package-...

Observations by a concerned blogger

 

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedpro...

FDA - Sanolfi package insert


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Canadian Comedy -  Cool

Make your own flu vaccine - Eye on the Flu Shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIjm9w_-tNY

 


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Tigana wrote:

A little something on H1N1 package inserts

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Insert Admits It Causes Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, Anaphylactic Shock And Death

Influenza infection causes GBS at five times the incidence of influenza vaccinations.


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Tigana, please be more judicious when posting links and sources. Aside from the fact that your posts are bordering on spamming, www. whale. to contains holocaust denier material, which is unacceptable on babble. If you continue to bombard babblers with reams of material in order to dominate discussion, you'll be suspended.


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The smallpox germ seems to have believed the lies.  There is no smallpox in the wild in the world.  It got killed off by a vaccination programme.  Trying  to break the one absolute victory in medicine bespeaks a disconnect from the real world.

 


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Catchfire, I have not noticed that you or other pharma supporters actually read or discussing my vaccination materials.  But you sure know how to toss the innuendo around.  My Yiddish is pretty good, how's yours?


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