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Urgent Action: Stop JDL-EDL's TO Islamaphobic Hate-Fest Rally Planned for January 11
What's more ... the largest Hindu temples are deeply, deeply in bed with the Conservatives. One of the biggest temples is the Vishnu Mandir in Richmond Hill, their leader is a brain surgeon Dr Doobay.
This temple is THE destination for every Conservative politician. Everyone from Peter Kent to Fantino addresses the Vishnu Mandir, then gets connected and whisked off to fund raisers from there... and now the Hudak provincial Tories are also on this circuit
< Vikram Khurana is with the Canada-India Foundation, millionaire CEO of Prudential Consulting.. most of these CIF guys are millionaires who contribute heavily to Conservative coffers>
"Zionazi" implies the whole trope that Zionists are like Nazis and Israel is like Nazi Germany. The term doesn't advance discourse, it's just inflammatory and, because of the history of Nazi oppression, alienates all Jews regardless of whether or not they are Zionist. It's insensitive.
As a member of and somone fairly involved in the "Jewish community", I can tell you firsthand that neither Farber or Weinstein is taken seriously at all by more than a handful of Canadian Jews. They are completely irrelevant and dwarfed in influence by so many other people and do not deserve the attention they're getting either here or in the mainstream media.
It's rather sad, really, that both have become something of (self appointed) "representatives" of the community and that lazy journalists have them in their rolodex and call them whenever they need a comment on any story with a Jewish element to it.
I think most Jews look at them the way most African Americans look at someone like Al Sharpton, e.g. "Shut up, get a real job and stop embarrassing the rest of us."
So I did some research on Google regarding Mr. Farber. I know people like to make wild statements from time to time but like this man or hate him he is taken very seriously both inside the Jewish community and in the general coommunity.
He has met with virtually all political leaders here and in israel. he and his organization have been lauded by the Pm, Premiers of Ontario, Quebec and BC; he has written a large number of articles published in newspapers across canada and even in the USA.
I guess I understand why you would want to try to minimize this guys importance but you will have to do better than that.
If the term is offensive it is because of the reality it describes: a violent, zionist, right-wing, Kahanist hate-group, led by an ex IDF member, in my city, has allied his organization with a vicious, out and out racist, Muslim hating, white supremacist, nazi formation, the EDL.
Zionist + Nazi = Zio-Nazi. As we both know there are many Jews not Zionists. I reject "all Jews" are 'alienated' by the descriptor, which is, alas, accurate. Sometimes consciousness is painful. The best I can do is a hyphen.
ps - it is perhaps not the first time...
"this strategy of enlisting Europe's virulent Jew-Haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.."
"Let us be clear, we view negatively the Canadian Arab Federation's ongoing bigoted public policy positions. The Canadian Arab Federation is abusing our principled position for its own unprincipled ends. We condemn intolerance everywhere, be it from the Canadian Arab Federation or the English Defence League [what about Kahanist terror groups?]
...we understand that the only arrests were of the Anti-Racist Action protesters who were outside protesting the rally. Such violence is un-Canadian and unacceptable. We condemn it without reservation.."
"Let us be clear, we view negatively the Canadian Arab Federation's ongoing bigoted public policy positions. The Canadian Arab Federation is abusing our principled position for its own unprincipled ends. We condemn intolerance everywhere, be it from the Canadian Arab Federation or the English Defence League [what about Kahanist terror groups?]
...we understand that the only arrests were of the Anti-Racist Action protesters who were outside protesting the rally. Such violence is un-Canadian and unacceptable. We condemn it without reservation.."
JDL-EDL : Zio-Nazis Out Now!
so Bernie et al are unaware of the 'security' outside - provided by the JDL and Hindu Advocacy - which clashed with the ARA and 'assisted' the police with arrests, including the punching in the head of an ARA member as they were being handcuffed?
"The CANADIAN HINDU ADVOCACY security team, which has been training with JDL at the Toronto Zionist Center, joined JDL security tonight to deter ARA and Islamic attackers.
Together, Hindu and JDL security assisted Toronto Police in making a number of arrests as several masked attackers blocked roads and violently assaulted police.
In the conflict that ensued, Hindu and JDL defenders succeeded in repelling the violent assault. The fleeing attackers abandoned a large amount of paraphernalia."
of course, only ARA people were arrested after the police on horseback charged their line. also, weren't 3 of the 4 arrested released later? also, there an accusation has been made that the Police erased at least one video camera's footage, so it's possible that the missing footage shows a real melee where fists are flying on many sides. and now that Bernie has finally said something negative about the JDL, he's upset that The Canadian Arab Federation is in agreement?
I'd like to see the footage of JDL and CHA members assaulting protesters.
The fact that police attacked the protesters and allowed these domestic neo-nazis to take liberties on protesters is appalling to say the least.
The fact that police would go so far as to confiscate or destroy video evidence is even more sickening.
I hope protesters atleast TRIED to retaliate when these goons got physical.
If these neo-fascists want to try to intimidate people with their fists,I can't wait for a similar event to happen here in Montreal...I'll happily oblige their challenge.
Well, Alan, dont know about Montreal but you may get your chance if you happen to be in Toronto this week. Looks like the JDL goon squad is going to be picketing OISE this Tuesday, and sure enough CHA is tagging along :
Well, Alan, dont know about Montreal but you may get your chance if you happen to be in Toronto this week. Looks like the JDL goon squad is going to be picketing OISE this Tuesday, and sure enough CHA is tagging along :
the BEST comment on JK's speculation as to why not is from Marc63:
Here's an idea: Why not act like a journalist and ASK her why she's not appearing? I guess you missed that lesson in journalism class where its taught that FINDING OUT an answer is preferable to vacantly 'speculating' about 'possibilities'. Obviously, as we can see here, you remember how to procure a 'false dichotomy'. And you managed to slip in YET AGAIN the name of Jenny Peto. You should start charging her for all the publicity you've given her.
Like the man said, I can win ANY argument, as long as I get to formulate the questions. A real journalist would at least ATTEMPT to avoid using 'apparently' and 'possibly' when an answer was achievable. It's called 'sticking to the facts'. But I'm willing to bet Jonathan is too cowardly to directly contact Zerbisias, lest he actually have to defend his relentless smearing of her, and engage in actual debate. This is a textbook example of yellow journalism.
the second best comment is from SpecialK41:
Jonathan Kay, There's a whiff of petty-minded sniggering and smirking about the the way you break news re the latest wrinkle in the change made to the events calendar of the Star's proto-feminist Antonia Zerbisias. You come across as the kind of dude that were you put behind bars would seek to ingratiate yourself with the prison guards by acting as a snitch and informant.
"Tentative links are developing between the reactionary Tea Party movement in the US and right-wing groups here. 'Going to the US is particularly interesting because the far-right in Britain has never gone that way before. It has always gone toward Europe. If it does forge strong links to the Tea Party, it would be important beause the Tea Party has significant resources...'
The movements are not yet formally aligned but the racist English Defence League (EDL), which insists that Islamic fundamentalism will soon engulf Britain, is busy building bridges with US figures who take a similar anti-Islamic position...The trip was organized by EDL activist Roberta Moore, who has formed a 'Jewish division' of the group."
"On the heels of the Jewish Defence League's rally in support of the fascist English Defence League comes the news that the JDL and Meir Weinstein is cozying up with another group of extremists - none other than the Freedom Party of Austria (FPO) You may remember their founder, late, longtime leader Jorg Haider who praised Waffen SS veterans, praised the Nazis, described concentration camps as 'punishment camps' and compared the wartime deportation of Austria's Jews to concentration camps to the postwar expulsion of Sudetenland Germans from Czechoslovakia. The Freedom Party's entry into Austria's ruling coalition resulted in a widespread diplomatic boycott of the country.
Well it seems that as much as the FPO hates Jews, they hate Muslims more and that's good enough for the JDL and Meir Weinstein who seems to be working under the rallying cry of 'Muslim-haters of the world unite!' Of course, it's not only the JDL that is building links with fascist parties,
"Islamophobes in and outside Congress are claiming that a mass 'radicalisation' of American Muslims is taking place. It is now clear that for Islamophobes (actually Islam haters) 'radical' Islam is just Islam. And 'radical' Muslims are just Muslims"
wake up and smell the coffee Canada - first they came for the Muslims, next they'll come for you. Smash the JDL-EDL-FPO Alliance!
What's more ... the largest Hindu temples are deeply, deeply in bed with the Conservatives. One of the biggest temples is the Vishnu Mandir in Richmond Hill, their leader is a brain surgeon Dr Doobay.
This temple is THE destination for every Conservative politician. Everyone from Peter Kent to Fantino addresses the Vishnu Mandir, then gets connected and whisked off to fund raisers from there... and now the Hudak provincial Tories are also on this circuit
See http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=106331464902
timhudak: Heading to fundraiser at home of Vikram Khurana. Will see some people I met at Vishnu Mandir Temple and other biz l...by Tim Hudak on Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 12:58pm
< Vikram Khurana is with the Canada-India Foundation, millionaire CEO of Prudential Consulting.. most of these CIF guys are millionaires who contribute heavily to Conservative coffers>The term "ZioNazi" is offensive and insensitive. Please don't use it.
How so? What do you call it when you cross a zionist hate group with a nazi fascist one?
"Zionazi" implies the whole trope that Zionists are like Nazis and Israel is like Nazi Germany. The term doesn't advance discourse, it's just inflammatory and, because of the history of Nazi oppression, alienates all Jews regardless of whether or not they are Zionist. It's insensitive.
You call them the CPC
So I did some research on Google regarding Mr. Farber. I know people like to make wild statements from time to time but like this man or hate him he is taken very seriously both inside the Jewish community and in the general coommunity.
He has met with virtually all political leaders here and in israel. he and his organization have been lauded by the Pm, Premiers of Ontario, Quebec and BC; he has written a large number of articles published in newspapers across canada and even in the USA.
I guess I understand why you would want to try to minimize this guys importance but you will have to do better than that.
If the term is offensive it is because of the reality it describes: a violent, zionist, right-wing, Kahanist hate-group, led by an ex IDF member, in my city, has allied his organization with a vicious, out and out racist, Muslim hating, white supremacist, nazi formation, the EDL.
Zionist + Nazi = Zio-Nazi. As we both know there are many Jews not Zionists. I reject "all Jews" are 'alienated' by the descriptor, which is, alas, accurate. Sometimes consciousness is painful. The best I can do is a hyphen.
ps - it is perhaps not the first time...
"this strategy of enlisting Europe's virulent Jew-Haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.."
Zionism And the Jews: by Ralph Schoenman
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch06.htm
WJC: Jewish And English 'Defence Leagues' Alliance Sparks Violent Protests in Canada
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/9836
see comments by BNP'er Thompson
CJC: Further Comment on the CJC Op-Ed Troubling Marriage for TO Jews
http://www.cjc.ca/2011/01/14/troubling-marriage-for-t-o-'s-jews/
"Let us be clear, we view negatively the Canadian Arab Federation's ongoing bigoted public policy positions. The Canadian Arab Federation is abusing our principled position for its own unprincipled ends. We condemn intolerance everywhere, be it from the Canadian Arab Federation or the English Defence League [what about Kahanist terror groups?]
...we understand that the only arrests were of the Anti-Racist Action protesters who were outside protesting the rally. Such violence is un-Canadian and unacceptable. We condemn it without reservation.."
JDL-EDL : Zio-Nazis Out Now!
so Bernie et al are unaware of the 'security' outside - provided by the JDL and Hindu Advocacy - which clashed with the ARA and 'assisted' the police with arrests, including the punching in the head of an ARA member as they were being handcuffed?
CANADIAN HINDU ADVOCACY and JDL-CANADA security teams work with Toronto Police to repel violent assault by Islamists - http://www.canhindu.com/jdlhindudefence.doc
"The CANADIAN HINDU ADVOCACY security team, which has been training with JDL at the Toronto Zionist Center, joined JDL security tonight to deter ARA and Islamic attackers.
Together, Hindu and JDL security assisted Toronto Police in making a number of arrests as several masked attackers blocked roads and violently assaulted police.
In the conflict that ensued, Hindu and JDL defenders succeeded in repelling the violent assault. The fleeing attackers abandoned a large amount of paraphernalia."
of course, only ARA people were arrested after the police on horseback charged their line. also, weren't 3 of the 4 arrested released later? also, there an accusation has been made that the Police erased at least one video camera's footage, so it's possible that the missing footage shows a real melee where fists are flying on many sides. and now that Bernie has finally said something negative about the JDL, he's upset that The Canadian Arab Federation is in agreement?
I'd like to see the footage of JDL and CHA members assaulting protesters.
The fact that police attacked the protesters and allowed these domestic neo-nazis to take liberties on protesters is appalling to say the least.
The fact that police would go so far as to confiscate or destroy video evidence is even more sickening.
I hope protesters atleast TRIED to retaliate when these goons got physical.
If these neo-fascists want to try to intimidate people with their fists,I can't wait for a similar event to happen here in Montreal...I'll happily oblige their challenge.
Well, Alan, dont know about Montreal but you may get your chance if you happen to be in Toronto this week. Looks like the JDL goon squad is going to be picketing OISE this Tuesday, and sure enough CHA is tagging along :
http://www.canhindu.com
LATEST NEWS: CANADIAN HINDU ADVOCACY to join JDL-CANADA in picket of OISE Tuesday 6pm
http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/jdl-protest-on-tues-jan-18-600-pm-oise-protest-against-hatefest
*JDL* Protest on Tues. Jan 18 @ 6:00 pm OISE - PROTEST against HATEFEST.THE JEWISH DEFENCE LEAGUE OF CANADA
IS CALLING ON THE PUBLIC TO JOIN OUR
PROTEST AGAINST THE FOLLOWING HATEFEST
TUES. JAN. 18, 2011
6:00 pm
OISE
252 Bloor Street West (St. George and Bloor)
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Pls read the very brief article in the National Post by Jonathan Kay.
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The following is the information about their HateFest with a Toronto Star journalist and Peto speaking at the University of Toronto"
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Ms. AZ may not be speaking afterall
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/11/toronto-star-writer-apparently-withdraws-from-anti-israel-hatefest/
the BEST comment on JK's speculation as to why not is from Marc63:
Here's an idea: Why not act like a journalist and ASK her why she's not appearing? I guess you missed that lesson in journalism class where its taught that FINDING OUT an answer is preferable to vacantly 'speculating' about 'possibilities'. Obviously, as we can see here, you remember how to procure a 'false dichotomy'. And you managed to slip in YET AGAIN the name of Jenny Peto. You should start charging her for all the publicity you've given her.
Like the man said, I can win ANY argument, as long as I get to formulate the questions. A real journalist would at least ATTEMPT to avoid using 'apparently' and 'possibly' when an answer was achievable. It's called 'sticking to the facts'. But I'm willing to bet Jonathan is too cowardly to directly contact Zerbisias, lest he actually have to defend his relentless smearing of her, and engage in actual debate. This is a textbook example of yellow journalism.
the second best comment is from SpecialK41:
Jonathan Kay, There's a whiff of petty-minded sniggering and smirking about the the way you break news re the latest wrinkle in the change made to the events calendar of the Star's proto-feminist Antonia Zerbisias. You come across as the kind of dude that were you put behind bars would seek to ingratiate yourself with the prison guards by acting as a snitch and informant.http://gazaybo.wordpress.com/about/
GYBO - Manifesto 2.0: Gaza Youth to Planet Earth! Anyone out there? 'Gaza What?'
"Cast-Lead wasn't a war, Cast Lead was a massacre, a slaughter!"
...and a war crime supported by our own government
Come out and support the people of Gaza and Palestine January 18 @ 7PM Uof T (see above)
and may the stupid JDL zios freeze outside with their flags...
JDL-EDL-Tea Party?: EDL Wants Taste of Tea Party's Islamophobia
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/edl-wants-taste-of-tea-partys-is...
"Tentative links are developing between the reactionary Tea Party movement in the US and right-wing groups here. 'Going to the US is particularly interesting because the far-right in Britain has never gone that way before. It has always gone toward Europe. If it does forge strong links to the Tea Party, it would be important beause the Tea Party has significant resources...'
The movements are not yet formally aligned but the racist English Defence League (EDL), which insists that Islamic fundamentalism will soon engulf Britain, is busy building bridges with US figures who take a similar anti-Islamic position...The trip was organized by EDL activist Roberta Moore, who has formed a 'Jewish division' of the group."
JDL Allies With Austrian Freedom Party
http://canadian-firebrand.blogspot.com/2011/01/jdl-allies-with-austrian-...
"On the heels of the Jewish Defence League's rally in support of the fascist English Defence League comes the news that the JDL and Meir Weinstein is cozying up with another group of extremists - none other than the Freedom Party of Austria (FPO) You may remember their founder, late, longtime leader Jorg Haider who praised Waffen SS veterans, praised the Nazis, described concentration camps as 'punishment camps' and compared the wartime deportation of Austria's Jews to concentration camps to the postwar expulsion of Sudetenland Germans from Czechoslovakia. The Freedom Party's entry into Austria's ruling coalition resulted in a widespread diplomatic boycott of the country.
Well it seems that as much as the FPO hates Jews, they hate Muslims more and that's good enough for the JDL and Meir Weinstein who seems to be working under the rallying cry of 'Muslim-haters of the world unite!' Of course, it's not only the JDL that is building links with fascist parties,
Israel's ruling Likud Party is as well..."
'We need allies like Canada...' Avigdor Lieberman
The 'New' Rhetoric of Islamophobia
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/201111074425968803....
"Islamophobes in and outside Congress are claiming that a mass 'radicalisation' of American Muslims is taking place. It is now clear that for Islamophobes (actually Islam haters) 'radical' Islam is just Islam. And 'radical' Muslims are just Muslims"
wake up and smell the coffee Canada - first they came for the Muslims, next they'll come for you. Smash the JDL-EDL-FPO Alliance!
"I'd like to see the footage of JDL and CHA members assaulting protesters."
I think that everybody would like to see this evidence.
Closing for length. And the Jan 11 is over.