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Performers and Israeli BDS

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milo204
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there is nothing anti semetic about BDS, first of all because palestinians are semetic and BDS is in support of them, and on top of that it is nothing more than a personal choice to not financially support institutions that profit from others suffering, like boycotting gilette when they tested on animals etc.

 

The other thing is that Israel is all about BDS when it comes to people they don't agree with....iran sanctions, gaza blockade etc.  They only think it's negative when it's used against them, instead of BY them.  think israel would have objected to BDS against 1930's germany? doubt it.

 


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I just dug up an article by Robert Fisk in which he enumerated some of the many comparisons by Israeli leaders of Palestinians to animals, insects, diseases, etc. And there was the following quote as well:

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Even before the slaughter inside the camps had ended, Shahira Abu Rudeina says she was taken to the Cite Sportif where, in one of the underground "holding centres", she saw a retarded man, watched by Israeli soldiers, burying bodies in a pit. Her evidence might be rejected were it not for the fact that she also expressed her gratitude for an Israeli soldier--inside the Chatila camp, against all the evidence given by the Israelis--who prevented the murder of her daughters by the Phalange.

Long after the war, the ruins of the Cite Sportif were torn down and a brand new marble stadium was built in its place, partly by the British. Pavarotti has sung there. But the testimony of what may lie beneath its foundations--and its frightful implications--might give Ariel Sharon further reason to fear an indictment.

Sharon fears nothing now, being in a permanent vegetative state after a massive stroke.

What artist wants to do a concert in Israel and discover that the bodies of the victims of Israeli atrocities and torture were dumped underneath the very stage they played on?

There are plenty of reasons for an artist NOT to perform in Israel, not to go to Israel at all. And those reasons may not all be clear for some time.

After 19 years, the truth at last? Fisk (back in 2001) on the Sabra and Chatila massacres.

 

I have read some more and must acknowledge that I've made an error here. The Cite Sportif was the site of terrible Israeli atrocities. But it was also just outside Beiruit, Lebanon. My argument here, is still sound however.

 


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milo204 wrote:

The other thing is that Israel is all about BDS when it comes to people they don't agree with....iran sanctions, gaza blockade etc.  They only think it's negative when it's used against them, instead of BY them.

Not to mention that Israel supports an academic boycott... of Noam Chomsky

 

milo204 wrote:
think israel would have objected to BDS against 1930's germany? doubt it.

Actually, there are quite a few scary quotes by Zionist leaders around the time regarding Nazism, the Holocaust, and the situation in Germany.  I think in the back of their minds, some of them thought that Hitler was doing them a favour by increasing anti-semitism, forcing more Jews to move to Israel and giving some intellectual backing for the Zionist project, namely the idea that Jews aren't safe anywhere but in a Jewish state.  Some Zionist leaders even went so far as to oppose attempts to save Jews which would have brought them to safety outside of Palestine.


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Michelle wrote:

I think it's crossing a line for any babbler to label people who support BDS "anti-semitic", even with weasel words like "perhaps".

Just thought I'd point a certain "animal" word out that no-one seemed to object to.


al-Qa'bong
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I'm sure no words have been offended.


al-Qa'bong
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<quote>In a statement posted on his website, Costello described his decision as a “matter of instinct and conscience.” Israel’s culture minister, Limor Livnat, responded by saying that Costello “is not worthy” of performing in Israel.

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Yeah, this guy hasn`t so much as shoplifted from a Palestinian, never mind stealing her home or killing her.

 

http://www.forward.com/articles/128185/


NDPP
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Israeli Actors Boycott Stirs Settlement Debate

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9241120

"Dozens of Israeli actors have signed a pledge not to perform in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank where a theater opens this fall.."


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Tutu urges South African opera to boycott Israel

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"Just as we said during apartheid that it was inappropriate for international artists to perform in South Africa in a society founded on discriminatory laws and racial exclusivity, so it would be wrong for Cape Town Opera to perform in Israel," he said.

"Only the thickest-skinned South Africans would be comfortable performing before an audience that excluded residents living, for example, in an occupied West Bank village... while including his Jewish neighbours from an illegal settlement on occupied Palestinian territory."

 


M. Spector
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Michelle wrote:

I thought an omnibus thread about performers who are following or not following the BDS movement (that is, refusing or not refusing to play in Israel) might be useful

According to the website of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, these performers have honoured the cultural boycott:

• VANESSA PARADIS - February 2011
Vanessa Paradis is an international singer model and actress of French origin, scheduled to perform in Israel on February 10, 2011. She became a child star at 14 (in the mid-1980s) with the worldwide success of her single "Joe le taxi." Since then, she has been successful as a singer, as an actress and in modeling.

• TINDERSTICKS - November 2010
Tindersticks is an indie rock band from Nottingham, England that has been active on the music scene since 1992. On November 23rd 2010, Tindersticks announced the cancelation of its December 1-2 shows in Tel Aviv. In an official statement explaining their decision, they said ""When agreeing to play our music in Israel we, perhaps naively, believed that the music we make is beyond political considerations. Over the past weeks, the pressure exerted on us by people and organizations, some close to us, has shown us that this is not the case. It is difficult to defy a rapidly growing movement with whose aims we agree, even if we are not wholly convinced by their methods."

• MIKE LEIGH - November 2010
Filmgoers have come to love British director Mike Leigh's films (Life is Sweet, Secrets and Lies, Vera Drake, and Happy-Go-Lucky, to name just a few). Now we all have two other reasons to appreciate him: he cancelled a master class he was scheduled to teach in Israel in November and had the courage to announce that he had done so because of Israel's conduct toward the Palestinians.

• ELVIS COSTELLO - May 2010
Every once in a while, someone puts ethics above financial gain. Elvis Costello is one such person. In May 2010 he cancelled two summer concert dates in Israel. In Mr. Costello's statement, he said, "There are occasions when merely having your name added to a concert schedule may be interpreted as a political act ... and it may be assumed that one has no mind for the suffering of the innocent... It is a matter of instinct and conscience."
[Too bad Diana doesn't agree - see below] 

 

...and these performers have not (so far):

• THE FALL - January 2011
The Fall are an English post-punk band, formed in Prestwich, Greater Manchester in 1976. The group has existed in some form ever since then, and is built around its founder and only constant member, Mark E. Smith. Smith is proudly working class and anti-authority. The Fall have released 58 albums and 50 EPs and singles, as well as appearing on dozens of compilation albums. The group is known for its witty lyrics and caustic social observations. The Fall have played for Rock Against Racism concerts. The group is scheduled to play in Barbi, Tel Aviv, on January 20.

• JEFF BECK - October 2010
Jeff Beck is a British rock guitarist, ranked 14th in Rolling Stone Magazine's list of 100 top guitarists. He has been inducted into the Rock and Rock Hall of fame twice. Beck has given benefit concerts for tsunami victims and research on multiple sclerosis.

• OZZY OSBOURNE - September 2010
Ozzy Osbourne is an English heavy metal singer, who divides his time between England and L.A. He rose to prominence as the leader of Black Sabbath. He and his family had a reality TV show from 2002 to 2005, with the highest ratings in MTV history. All of his solo albums have gone platinum. Osbourne has said, "I've never seen any intelligent military person, nor I have seen any sense in the bloody stupid wars." He has been involved in benefit concerts for Live Aid, the homeless and Haiti earthquake victims.

• LCD SOUNDSYSTEM - August 2010
LCD Soundsystem is the stage name of dance-punk musician and music producer James Murphy. In live concerts he is usually accompanied by six other musicians. He has released three critically acclaimed albums, including 2010's This Is Happening, which made Billboard's Top 10. LCD won Grammy Awards in 2006 and 2008. Has participated in a concert to fund Oxfam and Doctors Without Borders' work in Darfur.

• PUBLIC IMAGE LTD. - August 2010
Public Image Limited is a British post-punk band led by former Sex Pistol John Lydon. They entered a hiatus after being very active from 1978 to 1992, but reformed in 2009 and hit the road for a new string of concerts. Lydon indicated in a recent MoJo interview that sanctions against Iraq and Iran have not worked, therefore he saw no reason they would have any impact on Israel, therefore he would proceed with the concert scheduled there, despite pressure to cancel.

• THIRTY SECONDS TO MARS - August 2010
Thirty Seconds to Mars is a Los Angeles - based rock band composed of Jared Leto, his brother Shannon Leto and Tomo Milicevic. To date they have released three studio albums and two EPs. The group has won three MTV Europe Music Awards and four Kerrang! Awards. It has been involved in charitable work for Haiti earthquake victims and Habitat for Humanity projects in Malaysia and publicly expressed alarm about global warming and the dissolution of the Arctic shelf.

• DIANA KRALL - August 2010
On August 4, 2010, Diana Krall performed in Israel, despite the fact that her husband, performer Elvis Costello, had chosen not to do so two month earlier for reasons of conscience. Diana Krall is a Canadian jazz pianist and singer. She has sold over 6 million albums in the US and over 15 million worldwide - altogether, more albums than any other female jazz artist in the 1990s and the 2000s. Krall has been involved in benefits for Katrina hurricane relief and research on multiple myeloma. She was made an Officer of the Order of Canada in 2005. She lives in Vancouver, B.C. with her husband, singer Elvis Costello, who in May 2010 cancelled his own concert dates in Israel.

• MISSY ELLIOTT - July 2010
On July 15, 2010, despite receiving letters and hundreds of emails, American rapper Missy Elliott performed in Israel. Missy Elliott is an American rapper, and former member of R&B band Sista as well as the Swing Mob collective. With record sales of over seven million in the United States, she is the only female rapper to have six albums certified platinum. Elliott has contributed to charity for a number of causes, including domestic violence, teen obesity, AIDS and poverty.

• SUZANNE VEGA - July 2010
On July 15 and 16, 2010, despite appeals not to do so, Suzanne Vega performed in Israel. Suzanne Vega is an American songwriter and singer known for her folk-inspired music. An international performer since the mid-1980s, Vega has had two songs which have reached the top 10 of various international chart listings. In 2006, Vega performed in New York City in a benefit concert for "The Save Darfur Coalition." At the same time, she asserted her support for Amnesty International and its important work. Vega says she has been a member of Amnesty International since 1988.

• ROD STEWART - June 2010
On June 30, 2010, despite requests not to do so, Rod Stewart performed in Tel Aviv Israel. Rod Stewart is an international performer who began his career in the 1960s. He has sold over 130 million records worldwide, and is one of the best selling British singers of all time.


Ripple
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Well, the Cape Town opera did perform in Tel Aviv.  So did these folks.

 

 


Unionist
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Great find, Ripple! Thank you.

 


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VICTORY! - Vanessa Paradis cancels Israel concert!

You can use this CJPME link to email Ms. Paradis and thank her for responding positively to the boycott request.

 


M. Spector
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I've amended post #39 accordingly.


NDPP
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Macy Gray is Waiting To Hear From You: Shall I perform in Israel?

http://youthanormalization.blogspot.com/2011/01/bds-macy-gray-is-waiting...

Macy is being coy - but ask her not to play in Israel


NDPP
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Singer to Perform in Israel Despite Boycott Pressure

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20687&am...

"Dear Israel fans. Me and the band will be there in 20 days. Can't wait. See you then. Peace,' read the Twitter message sent last Wednesday night."

guess Gray, like Atwood and Egoyan, decided to follow the money instead.

her facebook page is listed above in post #44


M. Spector
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Why the hell would she tweet this on Wednesday (saying she's going), but her fan page on Facebook still has her Jan. 17 question asking whether she should boycott or not? And people are still posting to her fan page saying she shouldn't go?

Pathetic.

 


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Dodger718
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I'm with him. The Israelis have suffered enough. The last thing they need is a Justin Bieber concert.


Caissa
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JB is definitely a WMD.


Ripple
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Knesset discusses combating cultural boycott

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The power of the Palestinian-led movement to boycott, divest and sanction Israel (BDS) has resulted in yet another first - a discussion of the cultural boycott on 1 February by the Education and Culture Committee of the Knesset.


Ripple
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M. Spector
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John Greyson - alias John Grey - has posted an item about this video on rabble. Apparently the Zionists tried to get YouTube to shut it down.

He has made other similar videos about BDS and other performers. You can check them out on his YouTube channel.


NDPP
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Justin Bieber WILL Play Israel, Says His 'Jewish Road Dad'

"On April 14, Bieber is scheduled to perform in Israel. 'No matter what, we're going,' Braun answered when asked about other performers such as Elvis Costello who have cancelled performances in Israel...'Justin wants to be part of the seder,' he said.."

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20873&am...


NDPP
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It's Official Bob Dylan To Perform in Israel June 20

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/it-s-official-bob-dylan-to-per...

Hey Mr Tambourine Man....WTF?! DON'T PLAY ISRAEL!!


Bob Dylan Boycott Israel

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116628888365109


Dodger718
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Gene Simmons (of Kiss fame and reality TV shame) is blasting artists who would participate in this boycott and was just back there (I didn't realize that he was born there).

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13196236

"They're fools," the legendary bassist told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday, on his first return to Israel since leaving the country as a child more than 50 years ago.

Simmons described the visit as a "homecoming." He offered a description of himself that might shock his legions of fans who know him as an American icon prone to spitting blood and sticking out his exceptionally long tongue:

"I'm Israeli. I'm a stranger in America. I'm an outsider," he said, speaking in a hotel lobby across a valley from the walls of Jerusalem's historic Old City. "I was born here and I'm proud of it."


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Dodger718 wrote:
"I'm Israeli. I'm a stranger in America. I'm an outsider," he said, speaking in a hotel lobby across a valley from the walls of Jerusalem's historic Old City. "I was born here and I'm proud of it."

Long time lurker, first time poster. Why is Dodger allowed to post here? He's clearly a Zionist, and does not even attempt to hide his contempt of this site, progressives, etc. 

Also, the fact that Gene Simmons spent his entire career spreading VD to women, and spewing blood on audiences all over the world, would predispose him to support a blood-thirsty state.


Dodger718
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You throw "zionist" around like it's this unaprdonable insult. Probably not even sure what it means because it's basically become a meaningless term that people like you hurl around as an insult.

Meanwhile your use of 'blood-sucking" to describe the Jewish state plays on some of the worst anti-Semitic stereotypes from history.


al-Qa'bong
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NDPP wrote:

It's Official Bob Dylan To Perform in Israel June 20

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/it-s-official-bob-dylan-to-per...

Hey Mr Tambourine Man....WTF?! DON'T PLAY ISRAEL!!

 

Are you kidding?

 

Neighbourhood Bully

Don't expect Li'l Bobby Zimmerman to be critical of the Zionist entity any time soon.

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Why is Dodger allowed to post here?

 

I dunno; I just learned something from him.  I used to dislike Gene Simmons just because I thought he was a scumbag.  Now I have political reasons as well.

 


I. Braun
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Dodger718 wrote:

You throw "zionist" around like it's this unaprdonable insult.

If I raped and murdered for generations, I'd expect unaprdonable insult as well. 

Dodger718 wrote:
Probably not even sure what it means

European Jews feeling superior to those: "backwards Arabs"... murdering their way to a State. How's that?

Dodger718 wrote:
Meanwhile your use of 'blood-sucking" to describe the Jewish state plays on some of the worst anti-Semitic stereotypes from history.

You bring it upon yourselves. Have you once... ever... asked yourself why you have been so disliked, and for so long?


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