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I recently saw Monty Python's AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, which has the Terry Gilliam animated bit about two cancer spots falling in love, and moving into a house, which prompts the neighbours to say "Did you see the colour of the ones who just moved in next door? Yes; black as the Ace of Spades! Well, there goes the neighbourhood!"
If someone of African origin saw that, and objected to it's broadcast on similar grounds to the Dire Straits song, is it a valid claim of racism. Granted, it's Monty Python, the absolute kings of satire, but...!
i know what you mean bagkitty, i find it ridiculous that they have no problem showing people getting tortured, killed, maimed, beaten, etc. but the "bad" words have to be bleeped or overdubbed. My point though is there is no front page headlines/days of news coverage about "they bleeped out "fuck" in rambo! nanny state!" like there is with this.
it just seems like the people complaining about this don't seem to object to the censoring of other equally offensive words in music like fuck, shit, other racial expletives, and other so called "bad" words, in any context.
it sounds like people are unjustly equating beeping or changing the word in a public broadcast with actual censorship of the recorded material, like with mark twain, where the book will actually be printed with the changes, meaning hypothetically the original book might no longer be available at some point.
i think if it was any other word, and not an expletive used to denigrate gay people that is still commonly used, there would be no uproar. Did anyone freak out when the changed "shit" to "ish" in that nicky minaj song? no. So why freak about this?
Also, we should keep in mind, the band themselves recorded the vocal change to "mother" instead of "fa***t". And any band that doesn't want their song changed (provided they actually own the rights/publishing and not the record company) can always say no to changing the song and simply withdraw it from commercial radio play.
Pet peeve (I have a whole menagerie): if we are discussing the use of the word "faggot" let's use the word... no need to type in the asterisks. It is not being applied as a label to anyone and yes it's use is disgusting -- but if we are going to have to delve into the muck, let's not get all prissy about it. I find the avoidance of the word itself by using f****t actually more annoying than seeing the word itself. My 2 cents anyway.
I took the opportunity of this ruling to have an "All Offensive Lyrics" show today. I haven't been able to work some of these tunes into a program before. I don't think I've ever had to do a disclaimer before a show in the past 17 years, but I did today.
Sissy Man - Josh White
Masculine Women! Feminine Men! - Irving Kaufman
Manana - Peggy Lee
Egyptian Ella - Ted Lewis and his Band
Mr. Wu's a Window Cleaner Now - George Formby
Puttin' on the Ritz - Fred Astaire
Let's Do It (Let's Fall in Love) - Rudy Vallee
Mississippi Mud - Paul Whiteman Orch.
The Sun has Got its Hat on - Ambrose and his Orch/ Sam Browne voc.
Chinese Blues - Irving Kaufman
Two Cigarettes in the Dark - Bing Crosby
Smoking Reefers - Larry Adler
Was I Drunk? Was he Handsome? - Georgia White
Slap 'Er Down Again, Paw - Arthur Godfrey
She Wouldn't do What I Asked Her To - Original Memphis Five/ Billy Jones voc.
Shoot Him High, Paw - Rosalie Allen
Hong Kong Blues - Hoagy Carmichael
Swinging on the Reservation - Chick Webb Orch. /Ella Fitzgerald voc.
Totem Pole - Lucille Hegamin
Oh, is She Dumb - Eddie Cantor
The Cake Walk - The Victor Minstrels
You've Got to Beat Me to Keep Me - Trixie Smith
Since Ma is Playing Mah Jong - Original Memphis Five
Complainin' - It's Human Nature - Sophie Tucker
The CRTC should shut the station down any day now.
I decided to do a nostalgia trip and watched the 1967 film To Sir With Love for the first time in many decades. Given this thread I found it hilarious that in one scene in an East End London market one of the women stall vendors calls one of the male vendors a faggot. Fortunately I didn't have to endure a bleep it was just left in. It came out the same year that I was thrown out of high school for the first time so I enjoyed it at the time. It held up fairly well despite the obvious flaws in its portrayal of a young women's proper place in society. The message of self respect was great but since it came in a wrapping of a "women's place is in the kitchen" it didn't quite work 40 years later.
I wondered if the writers even thought about using the term faggot as an insult or whether it was written into the dialogue because it was so everyday that nobody reading the script noticed.
I had more tunes, but ran out of time. I did play the really bad ones, as I'd have trouble finding an excuse to play them in any other context.
I listened to "Rainbow Radio" for a while, waiting to hear their take on the decision, but they noodled around talking about other things so I shut off the radio.
favorite offensive songs (great message-plenty of swearing. Will all the people saying dire straights is censorship defend the unedited play of these songs? not in a million years, even though the "context" is wonderful.
Killing Me Softly ...Isn't that song about masturbating?
Good Golly Miss Molly...Sure likes to ball-->It amazes me that that song always ran under the radar even back at the time of its original release which was in the late 50's or early 60's.
But for some reason,according to censors, Louie,Louie was the filthiest song ever recorded.
Killing Me Softly ...Isn't that song about masturbating?
But for some reason,according to censors, Louie,Louie was the filthiest song ever recorded.
No, she wrote it about Don McLean, I believe ...about his singing, to be specific (I think it you google it you can find out for sure).
And the only actual filthy version of Louie Louie I ever heard was The Stooges' version, I think the whole rumour was because no one else who sang it enunciated clearly.
Now, I know this guy His name is Mick Now, he don't care when he ain't got no chick He do the shake The rattlesnake shake Yes, he do the shake And jerks away the blues Now, jerk it
perhaps we should all agree that all censorhip is wrong, or complete censorship is the way to go. Someone will always find something offensive in most forms of art, music or everyday living, others may aprreciate the content of the so called art, music or the way that others live. I am probably wrong because everyone should be more offended than I.
wassup, I invite you to check out the link in post 55. The lyrics are also available here. If you are unfamiliar with Jamaican slang, batty boy is basically synonymous with "faggot". Poison like this pretty much undercuts the possibility of my agreeing that all censorship is wrong.
You should also consider researching overt "hate rock" - a North American and European sub-genre popular with certain elements in the "white nationalist" and skinhead communities. Lyrics are available on most of the sites that link to it.
the thing is, it doesn't bother me that some people generally don't want to hear certain expletives on the radio. A bunch of corporate radio stations that play the same 100 songs over and over do far worse things then edit content for "objectionable language"...as in they censor out a large portion of music i'd like to hear, political views that many people have, are used to shill advertising etc. to me that's much more offensive.
The best music on the airwaves in the dismal mid '80's was the Parachute Club. At the Feet of the Moon was a far superior album to anything Dire Straits did. Gad thinking about that era reminds me of frat boys with mullets and high heeled boots slagging gay people.
They were a Canadian band from the 80's. Got a lot of airplay from the Canadian content rules. And they had some really good songs too.
Still have some of their songs on a cassette somewhere that I taped off the radio back in the day.
'Course, you young whippersnappers wouldn't know what a cassette is. Back in MY day, you didn't have all these newfangled eyephones and eyepatches and whatnots that you could listen to music on. You considered yourself lucky to have a small single speaker tape player that was only about a foot long and a few pounds in weight, and that ran off as few as 2 D batteries. It was either that or cart around a huge ghetto blaster.
Now, now, simmer down there, I don't mean nothing from calling it a ghetto blaster. That's what we called them back in the day. Weren't nothing racist at all to it. The important thing to remember is it was a larger and heavier tape player that often used to come with a radio. And it had 2 speakers. The fancier ones had 2 tape decks too so you could record tape to tape. What's all these tapes I keep going on about you say? I'm getting to that part. The important part of the story was that these larger tape players or ghetto blasters if you will, heh, would run on as many as 6 D batteries or even more on larger versions.
Yes, darnitall, you heard me right. That's D batteries. Kind of like those AA batteries that seem to run the world, but way bigger. Nowadays everything seems to run on those bitty little AA batteries, back in the day we had C's and D's and those funny little square 9 volt batteries but for some reason I don't think they had a letter, everyone used to just call them 9 volts. At least where I grew up as a kid we sure did.
You'd have to save up a lot of dollar bills to buy one of those fancy tape players anyhow, and dollar bills were a might rare in the home where I grew up. Yes, dagnabbit, dollar bills. Just like the Americans. We didn't have all this modern pocket change when I was a kid. "Can I change this 5 for 5 singles?" you'd ask the bank teller. Yes, bank teller. In my day you went to the bank when it was open, which wasn't all that often, that's where the term banker's hours comes from. Because the banks opened fairly late and closed pretty early. Anyhow you would go to the bank when it was open and stand in a lineup by these fancy velvety rope dividers.
Those things always reminded me of a snake for some reason. Which is kind of funny, since I grew up in northern Alberta and we didn't have a lot of snakes up there. Too cold in the winters or some such. I remember my father coming home once and telling us he had seen a turtle swimming in the Clearwater River, but that's another story.
you know, hurtin albertan, most of us here are not that young. Not only do i remember cassettes, but eight tracks, vinyl records, laser discs, mini discs and all the rest.
Who gets to decide what is offensive?
I recently saw Monty Python's AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, which has the Terry Gilliam animated bit about two cancer spots falling in love, and moving into a house, which prompts the neighbours to say "Did you see the colour of the ones who just moved in next door? Yes; black as the Ace of Spades! Well, there goes the neighbourhood!"
If someone of African origin saw that, and objected to it's broadcast on similar grounds to the Dire Straits song, is it a valid claim of racism. Granted, it's Monty Python, the absolute kings of satire, but...!
i know what you mean bagkitty, i find it ridiculous that they have no problem showing people getting tortured, killed, maimed, beaten, etc. but the "bad" words have to be bleeped or overdubbed. My point though is there is no front page headlines/days of news coverage about "they bleeped out "fuck" in rambo! nanny state!" like there is with this.
it just seems like the people complaining about this don't seem to object to the censoring of other equally offensive words in music like fuck, shit, other racial expletives, and other so called "bad" words, in any context.
it sounds like people are unjustly equating beeping or changing the word in a public broadcast with actual censorship of the recorded material, like with mark twain, where the book will actually be printed with the changes, meaning hypothetically the original book might no longer be available at some point.
i think if it was any other word, and not an expletive used to denigrate gay people that is still commonly used, there would be no uproar. Did anyone freak out when the changed "shit" to "ish" in that nicky minaj song? no. So why freak about this?
Also, we should keep in mind, the band themselves recorded the vocal change to "mother" instead of "fa***t". And any band that doesn't want their song changed (provided they actually own the rights/publishing and not the record company) can always say no to changing the song and simply withdraw it from commercial radio play.
Pet peeve (I have a whole menagerie): if we are discussing the use of the word "faggot" let's use the word... no need to type in the asterisks. It is not being applied as a label to anyone and yes it's use is disgusting -- but if we are going to have to delve into the muck, let's not get all prissy about it. I find the avoidance of the word itself by using f****t actually more annoying than seeing the word itself. My 2 cents anyway.
I took the opportunity of this ruling to have an "All Offensive Lyrics" show today. I haven't been able to work some of these tunes into a program before. I don't think I've ever had to do a disclaimer before a show in the past 17 years, but I did today.
The CRTC should shut the station down any day now.
Don't forget "Bomb the Boats" by the Forgotten Rebels, and "Fuck Off" by Wayne County and the Electric Chairs.
Can you imagine the outrage that would have taken place if they had ruled that "faggot" was acceptable for being broadcast?
Hmm, my guess is that Corus Radio Corp. wouldn't have played those anyway.
That reminds me, back in my pre-current progam days, I played Rachbottomoff by The Pansy Division, as well as Patti Smith's "Rock and Roll N*****."
I decided to do a nostalgia trip and watched the 1967 film To Sir With Love for the first time in many decades. Given this thread I found it hilarious that in one scene in an East End London market one of the women stall vendors calls one of the male vendors a faggot. Fortunately I didn't have to endure a bleep it was just left in. It came out the same year that I was thrown out of high school for the first time so I enjoyed it at the time. It held up fairly well despite the obvious flaws in its portrayal of a young women's proper place in society. The message of self respect was great but since it came in a wrapping of a "women's place is in the kitchen" it didn't quite work 40 years later.
I wondered if the writers even thought about using the term faggot as an insult or whether it was written into the dialogue because it was so everyday that nobody reading the script noticed.
Isn't a 'fag' British slang for a cigarette?
@ alan smithee: yep, you are correct it is.
Yes but not faggot. Fag in British slang can mean either a cig or someone's whose gay.
@ al-Q
Great playlist.
I could suggest a few others in the same vein, but I don't think that sort of tangent would get too far.
I presume you saw the Twain-Knopfler cartoon in the star kleenex.
Nope; I avoid the Kleenex, and rarely read it.
I had more tunes, but ran out of time. I did play the really bad ones, as I'd have trouble finding an excuse to play them in any other context.
I listened to "Rainbow Radio" for a while, waiting to hear their take on the decision, but they noodled around talking about other things so I shut off the radio.
favorite offensive songs (great message-plenty of swearing. Will all the people saying dire straights is censorship defend the unedited play of these songs? not in a million years, even though the "context" is wonderful.
hallie selasie, up your ass: propagandhi'
shamus' nuts: i spy
needle up my cock: gg allin
fuck the police: j dilla
nazi punks fuck off: dead kennedy's
fuck you: the germs
too drunk to fuck: dead kennedy's
mass communication mindfuck-insect warfare
hey, fuck you:beastie boys
talk about fucking: big black
you don't want to fuck with me: odb
i don't give a fuck: partisans
expensive shit: fela kuti
oh shit!: buzzcocks
get the fuck out: phobia
wu tang clan ain't nothin ta fuck wit: wu tang
gator fuckin':big boys
the sin-hellfucked: belphegor
i was a teenage fuckup: really red
no fuckin' war!: the dicks
tough fuckin' shit: gg allin
dick dogs: sonny sharrock
big dick: no means no
lick my ass: kool keith
never mind the potty talk, no one has ever questioned how appropriate Down By The River or Hey Joe are for the airwaves.
Nice playing. Vile fucking songs IMO. There are a mere handful of songs I can't stand to hear, and those two are on the list.
How about album covers?
Blind Faith took alot of heat for theirs...
But The Scorpions 'Virgin Killer' album cover...How the fuck did they get away with that?
Those protectors of all things holy and good are slouching on the job. There's some purdy nasty paralanguage goin' on out on the airwaves.
Donna Summer
Serge Gainsbourg et Jane Birkin
Killing Me Softly ...Isn't that song about masturbating?
Good Golly Miss Molly...Sure likes to ball-->It amazes me that that song always ran under the radar even back at the time of its original release which was in the late 50's or early 60's.
But for some reason,according to censors, Louie,Louie was the filthiest song ever recorded.
No, she wrote it about Don McLean, I believe ...about his singing, to be specific (I think it you google it you can find out for sure).
And the only actual filthy version of Louie Louie I ever heard was The Stooges' version, I think the whole rumour was because no one else who sang it enunciated clearly.
I don't know, but "She Bop" by Cyndi Lauper is, as is The Who's "Pictures of Lily."
Wow. Talk about double entendres.
I think there might be some hidden meaning in this one too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwAtifCoB3I
(one of the greatest pop bands of all time, BTW)
And this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVmsPv6_Ic
Now, I know this guy
His name is Mick
Now, he don't care when he ain't got no chick
He do the shake
The rattlesnake shake
Yes, he do the shake
And jerks away the blues
Now, jerk it
Well, if you want to go all subtle on us...
Ethel Waters - My Handy Man
"Sometimes he's up long before dawn,
Busy trimming the rough edges off my lawn;
Oooh, you can't get away from it! He's such a handy man!
Never has a single thing to say,
While he's working hard;
I wish that you could see the way
He handles my front yard!"
Ms. Waters' Organ Grinder Blues isn't so cheeky.
In the "Make Love, not War" department, there's Lizzie Miles' My Man O' War.
I'm not going to spoil the effect by supplying lyrics.
perhaps we should all agree that all censorhip is wrong, or complete censorship is the way to go. Someone will always find something offensive in most forms of art, music or everyday living, others may aprreciate the content of the so called art, music or the way that others live. I am probably wrong because everyone should be more offended than I.
wassup, I invite you to check out the link in post 55. The lyrics are also available here. If you are unfamiliar with Jamaican slang, batty boy is basically synonymous with "faggot". Poison like this pretty much undercuts the possibility of my agreeing that all censorship is wrong.
You should also consider researching overt "hate rock" - a North American and European sub-genre popular with certain elements in the "white nationalist" and skinhead communities. Lyrics are available on most of the sites that link to it.
CRTC urges broadcast council to reconsider ban
the thing is, it doesn't bother me that some people generally don't want to hear certain expletives on the radio. A bunch of corporate radio stations that play the same 100 songs over and over do far worse things then edit content for "objectionable language"...as in they censor out a large portion of music i'd like to hear, political views that many people have, are used to shill advertising etc. to me that's much more offensive.
Excuse me, but compared to Dire Straits, what the frack is the Parachute Club?
They were a Canadian band from the 80's. Got a lot of airplay from the Canadian content rules. And they had some really good songs too.
Still have some of their songs on a cassette somewhere that I taped off the radio back in the day.
'Course, you young whippersnappers wouldn't know what a cassette is. Back in MY day, you didn't have all these newfangled eyephones and eyepatches and whatnots that you could listen to music on. You considered yourself lucky to have a small single speaker tape player that was only about a foot long and a few pounds in weight, and that ran off as few as 2 D batteries. It was either that or cart around a huge ghetto blaster.
Now, now, simmer down there, I don't mean nothing from calling it a ghetto blaster. That's what we called them back in the day. Weren't nothing racist at all to it. The important thing to remember is it was a larger and heavier tape player that often used to come with a radio. And it had 2 speakers. The fancier ones had 2 tape decks too so you could record tape to tape. What's all these tapes I keep going on about you say? I'm getting to that part. The important part of the story was that these larger tape players or ghetto blasters if you will, heh, would run on as many as 6 D batteries or even more on larger versions.
Yes, darnitall, you heard me right. That's D batteries. Kind of like those AA batteries that seem to run the world, but way bigger. Nowadays everything seems to run on those bitty little AA batteries, back in the day we had C's and D's and those funny little square 9 volt batteries but for some reason I don't think they had a letter, everyone used to just call them 9 volts. At least where I grew up as a kid we sure did.
You'd have to save up a lot of dollar bills to buy one of those fancy tape players anyhow, and dollar bills were a might rare in the home where I grew up. Yes, dagnabbit, dollar bills. Just like the Americans. We didn't have all this modern pocket change when I was a kid. "Can I change this 5 for 5 singles?" you'd ask the bank teller. Yes, bank teller. In my day you went to the bank when it was open, which wasn't all that often, that's where the term banker's hours comes from. Because the banks opened fairly late and closed pretty early. Anyhow you would go to the bank when it was open and stand in a lineup by these fancy velvety rope dividers.
Those things always reminded me of a snake for some reason. Which is kind of funny, since I grew up in northern Alberta and we didn't have a lot of snakes up there. Too cold in the winters or some such. I remember my father coming home once and telling us he had seen a turtle swimming in the Clearwater River, but that's another story.
you know, hurtin albertan, most of us here are not that young. Not only do i remember cassettes, but eight tracks, vinyl records, laser discs, mini discs and all the rest.
uh oh...did i just date myself?