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Zionist Crimes

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NDPP
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Israeli Soldiers  Ordered to 'Cleanse' Gaza

http://www.channel4.com/news/israeli-soldiers-ordered-to-cleanse-gaza

"Israel's controversial invasion of Gaza deliberately aimed to 'cleanse' Palestinian neighbourhoods, fomer soldiers have alleged, in claims that will reignite the debate over the legality of the 3 week military campaign two years ago. Ohad also says: 'We needed to cleanse the neighbourhoods, the buildings, the area. It sounds really terrible to say 'cleanse' but those were the orders...I don't want to make a mistake with the words.."


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With all the attention Egypt is receiving these days, one almost forgets the daily atrocity that is the Zionist entity.

Settlers kill 2 Palestinian teens, soldiers attack funeral

 

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Israeli settlers shot and killed two Palestinian teenagers in separate incidents in the occupied West Bank as Israeli forces continued to shoot at Palestinian laborers in Gaza and arrest and beat civilians in other parts of the country, including children.



Enduro Man
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al-Qa'bong wrote:

Quelle surprise; the Israelis say that their massacre of activists on the Gaza flotilla was legal.

Link

 

Gee, a terrorist state finds murder and terror legal?  Sounds about right.

Not just murder and terror but piracy.  Because that's what that action was.  I always find it maddening how the Western media refuses to call these crimes for what they are and instead engages in the use of doublespeakism like "collateral damage".


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al-Qa'bong wrote:

With all the attention Egypt is receiving these days, one almost forgets the daily atrocity that is the Zionist entity.

Settlers kill 2 Palestinian teens, soldiers attack funeral

 

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Israeli settlers shot and killed two Palestinian teenagers in separate incidents in the occupied West Bank as Israeli forces continued to shoot at Palestinian laborers in Gaza and arrest and beat civilians in other parts of the country, including children.

 


And some people wonder why Israel is so hated in so many countries.  Can they really not figure this out?

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

It's not like the facts are being hidden from them.


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Israel Airstrikes on Gaza Injure 10

http://www.presstv.com/detail/164335.html

"At least 10 people have been injured as Iraeli war planes launched several airstrikes on the besieged Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources say.."

Israeli Planes Violate Lebanese Airspace

http://www.presstv.com/detail/164365.html

2 Israeli fighter jets have penetrated Lebanese airspace and flew over parts of the country in a flagrant violation of a UN Security Council Revolution.."

shoot the f**kers down!


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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Israel Airstrikes on Gaza Injure 10

http://www.presstv.com/detail/164335.html

"At least 10 people have been injured as Iraeli war planes launched several airstrikes on the besieged Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources say.."

Israeli Planes Violate Lebanese Airspace

http://www.presstv.com/detail/164365.html

2 Israeli fighter jets have penetrated Lebanese airspace and flew over parts of the country in a flagrant violation of a UN Security Council Revolution.."

shoot the f**kers down!

Terrorists.


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Tzipi Livni visits the wrong Hague

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Tzipi Livni, war criminal and leader of the Zionist Kadima party, gave the fingers up to the British public and flew into the UK after accepting an invitation from Foreign Secretary William Hague, a political crime that shocked and outraged many who vowed never to forget come the next election.

Livni was Foreign Minister and part of the Zionist government that shared collective responsibility for atrocities committed during Operation Cast Lead, the assault on Gaza that killed over 1,400 people -  many of them children – and left over 20,000 people homeless.


NDPP
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The NDP Candidates should be asked why they continue to support Zionist warcriminals like her


NDPP
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IDF Interviews: Israeli Soldiers Told to 'Cleanse' Gaza (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-SWTw9n2os&feature=player_embedded

"Israeli soldiers tell Channel 4 News they were ordered to 'cleanse' Palestinian neighborhoods, as filmmaker Nurit Kedar says 'the atmosphere was that nobody should talk about this war'..."

and of course, these tactics enjoyed the overwhelming support of the Israeli Jewish population

 


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Out-Of-Control-Israeli-State-Terror  - by Stephen Lendman

http://warisacrime.com/content/out-control-israeli-state-terror

"All Israeli attacks violate Israeli and International law. Israel maliciously makes it a war zone. Human lives and welfare are non-starters. State terror defines Israeli policy...Israel remains unaccountable..."

with Canada's help and support


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The Russell Tribunal on Palestine Finds Israel Guilty of the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/africa/3041-russell-tribunal-on...

"The Russell Tribunal on Palestine and its eminent panel of jurists has determined that Israel's practices against the Palestinian people are in breach of the prohibition of apartheid under international law. The Tribunal concluded unanimously that

'Israel subjects the Palestinian people to an institutionalized regime of domination amounting to apartheid as defined under international law.'..."

That quote's a keeper. Pass it on.


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'Israel Pursuing Policies of Nazis' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/208959.html

"A political analyst says the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party are pursuing the policies of former German dictator Adolf Hitler,

'Likud Party is a fascist, racist party, which promotes the fascist and racist notion of the nation-state,' Bruce Katz, co-president of the Palestinian and Jewish Unity, told Press TV from Montreal, Canada on Monday..."


Jim Hayes
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I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.


Unionist
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Jim Hayes wrote:

I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.

I find it rather repulsive that anyone would be bothered more by the comparison than by the policy.

 


Bacchus
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Jim Hayes wrote:

I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.

 

Then get the Israeli government to not act like them


Jim Hayes
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Sorry I seemed to be in the Twilight zone. I write simply as someone who understands that Israel is not Nazi Germany. Those who make such stupid statements give the left a bad name. 


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Jim Hayes wrote:

Sorry I seemed to be in the Twilight zone. I write simply as someone who understands that Israel is not Nazi Germany. Those who make such stupid statements give the left a bad name

Emphasis added.

Why would a statement made by some Canadian on Iranian TV "give the left a bad name"??

Please explain where you saw anything about the "left" in the article that was linked?

You have yet to explain which one bothers you more - Israeli government policy, or the fact that some individual quoted on Iranian TV compared them to Hitler.

So which one is it, Jim??

Be careful how you answer. You wouldn't want to give the [whatever you are] a "bad name", would you now?

 


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Jim Hayes wrote:

I find it rather repulsive that anyone would compare Israeli policy to that of Adolph Hitler.

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The Wikileaks-stained U.S. cables in November 2010 read like a parodied script of Alexander the Great’s ancient conquests, with a few altered leading roles to fill out the comedy. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was “Hitler,” Russia’s Vladimir Putin was the “Alpha male,” Nicolas Sarkozy of France was branded a “naked emperor,” all as allegedly described by U.S. officials and revealed in leaked documents.

A year later, and one of these names has destructively arisen again: Ahmadinejad as Hitler. The narrative stems from Israeli government chatter as the country grapples with the prospect of a nuclear Iran and how to “deal with it.” A report from the United Nations last week listed damning evidence that Iran is conducting research they hope will lead to an atomic weapon. Indeed, this would be enough to prompt Israel into military action against the ayatollahs. And no matter how much Ahmadinejad plugs it nuclear program as “peaceful,” there is no doubt that Israel fears the threat. Hence the Hitler title. 

But he is not only “a Hitler,” Ahmadinejad is apparently Netanyahu’s Hitler, says Israel columnist Nahum Barnea, who gave his take on the Israeli premier’s thinking: “Ahmadinejad is Hitler; if he isn’t stopped in time, there will be another Holocaust.” He continued, “There are those who describe Netanyahu’s attitude on the matter as an obsession: All his life he dreamed of being Churchill; Iran gives him the opportunity.” 

I guess just like killing civilians and attacking its neighbours Israel is allowed to use the "Nazis' comparison while every other nation is restricted by ugly conventions like war crimes law and good taste.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/11/13/176924.html

 

 


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I think all discourse on this topic could benefit from using clearly descriptive contemporary terms of the human rights violations of Palestinians by the government of Israel without constant reference to historical parallels.  Not that those parallels shouldn't be brought forward (they have, after all, veracity), but perhaps a more judicious use of those comparisons might lead to more productive debate.


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6079_Smith_W
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Well there is a very good reason why Mike Godwin made up Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies, and Rebecca pointed it out exactly.

 

 


M. Spector
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It's not a rule, but a jocular observation. The kind of jocular observations that occur thousands of times every day on forum boards around the web, and usually receive no special attention.

Only this one has been accorded mythical status as some kind of authoritative piece of wisdom, thanks to people who have a vested interest in avoiding the truth. And that truth is that fascism and Nazism differ from "ordinary" capitalist democracy only as a matter of degree; there is nothing that was done by Hitler that, in principle, would never be done by more "enlightened" capitalist states.

Those vested interests want to maintain the myth that Nazism was unique and beyond comparison to anything else that has ever happened. And so they perpetuate an internet meme designed to uphold that mythology.

I don't know why babble would want to have any part of it.


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Hitler's Nazism Was The Same as Today's Zionism Says Holocaust Survivor (and vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9v9YAK6wKg

Why Zionism-Nazism Comparisons are Legitimate  -  by Khaled Amayreh

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/why-zionism-nazism-compariso...

"We need to highlight these similarities and the 'common ground' between Zionism and Nazism, irrespective of how many people will be upset by these comparisons. The truth is always a paramount value in itself.."

Zionism and Nazism: Is There a Difference That Makes a Difference?  -  by Roger Tucker

http://www.redress.cc/zionism/rtucker20100222

"Roger Tucker argues that Zionism and Nazism are 'identical manifestations of the same basic pathology' and that they are 'equally dangerous to the well being of humanity.."

Banning Comparisons Between Nazism and Zionism and Israel

http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/07/banning-comparisons-between-nazism-an...

"Criminalisation of free speech.."


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Actually M. Spector, once homework became torture, bosses became Nazis,  and the cat became Hitler the only thing it did was render these absolute terms completely meaningless.

And "apartheid" is pretty much in the same pile.

If Israel's crimes are so great, I am sure they can be judged on their own merit. After all, if you are going to talk about something, perhaps you should talk about IT rather than relying on these comparisons to add colour (and confuse things).

 

Sorry, Godwin (and Seinfeld) had it right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8 For that matter, Orwell had the word "fascism" pegged as meaningless half a century ago.

 

 


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Actually M. Spector, once homework became torture, bosses became Nazis,  and the cat became Hitler the only thing it did was render these absolute terms completely meaningless.

Thank you for refuting Rebecca's argument above. People saying "this homework is torture" or "murder" trivializes torture and murder? What foolish sophistry.

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And "apartheid" is pretty much in the same pile.

If you don't think Israel's treatment of Palestinians is as bad as the South African racists' treatment of black Africans, Indians, and coloreds - why not just say so - instead of hiding behind Rebecca's "historical parallels aren't useful" thesis.

Human beings can't think, analyse, exist, without making comparisons. It's called learning from experience. Those who commit crimes are very pleased not to be compared to their predecessors.


6079_Smith_W
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The terms, Unionist.

It trivializes the terms, and in its worst forms it makes a mockery of the real thing.

And honest comparison is one thing, but when one starts to cut corners and equate it becomes a problem.

 

 


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Mockery is just one form of resistance. I don't really see why Nazism is such a revered term that it cannot be used as a comparison. I guess comparing anything to old empires like the British or Roman would be off limits under the same theory.  Do you think Hitler was as bad as or worse than the Roman empire?  Do you think the British Empire was as bad or worse. And then there were the Spanish conquistadors.  

Okay now that I think about it no one in history compares to Hitler.  After all he was just a short lived flash in the pan compared to the real evil empires.


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It should be clear that there is a big war going on all over the Middle East and Central Asia. The area currently called Israel is a strategic point of it, however its importance to the US is now less than in any time in the post-WW2 period, considering the huge number of US military bases all over the region. Rumour has it that the US may even be willing to let Israel go in some kind of Spring/Occupy uprising in that area.

America's continued support of Israel is and will continue to be a constant stumbling block in relations with other states in the region. It might be in the West's interests to cut Israel loose in exchange for peace with many others.

Nice LOLbunny M. Spector. I thought I would comment on that, as an avid fan of the artform myself. Normally, pieces of bread on the heads of animals are associated with "tragically mindless in-breading", or also may be captioned as "Wating for Lord Xenu", as a reference to the Church of Scientology. The pancake, however, is fairly unique, and being comprised of more than just bread materials, may indicate another religion. Being round, further relgious aspirations could be entertained in the caption-writer, as in some kind of 'halo', which might even indicate an Orthodox or Catholic proclivity. Finally, being a "Monorail Rabbit coming through a tunnel", it is subject to any number of quips about not wanting to go to Australia for basic survival reasons.


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That's part of it, NS.

It's not that no one compares to Hitler, it is that the name means something distinct in our psyche, and when one uses it, it is not simply in the interests of comparison. And he has a special significance when it comes to Israel which makes it even harder to make any sort of reasonable comparison.

But trying to make comparisons is highly subjective and not a very serious or useful exercise, IMO. Again... expecially when it is Nazi analogies, as Mr. Godwin correctly pointed out. 

WRT Israel, you could make a serious comparison with Britain and some of its colonies - certainly as bloody and as racist, even in recent history, and there are more similarities WRT the society  and government itself.

We could also say Israel used some of the same policies as Abraham Lincoln - expansionism, allowing racist slave laws in some parts of the country, refusal to recognize the existence of the southern states and working to cause divisions within them, suspension of habeas corpus, blockading their ports, refusal to recognize elected leaders, arresting envoys trying to establish diplomatic negotiations with other countries, conducting sieges, scorched-earth war on civilians, and destroying cities outside of battle. Lincoln also felt that blacks and whites could not live together. His intention after the war was to deport the freed slaves to the Caribbean and South America.

Fair comparison, but also one which demonstrates that the exercise doesn't always tell the whole story.

And for some strange reason Lincoln and the Brits don't pack quite the same punch as old Mr. Hitler does.

 


Northern Shoveler
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6079_Smith_W wrote:

And for some strange reason Lincoln and the Brits don't pack quite the same punch as old Mr. Hitler does.

Which is exactly why HE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED is used so often.


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