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"The Liberals, who when in government signed a security co-operation agreement with the United States, were careful not to condemn outright the talks themselves - but only to raise concern about the process."
A lot of these treacherous agreements have been seeded by the Liberals....more proof that the lib/con are one of the same playing each other off on the Canadian public (good cop-bad cop)...how much proof does the Canadian need? Just paving the road for each to follow...Do Canadians look dumb or what?
I would bet that if the NDP became a real threat to these right wing conmen that the talk would be about a lib/con coalition.
Indeed that has been the case in the provinces where the NDP and/or CCF have been near or in power. It doesn't matter how business friendly the NDP tries to be it will always be the good capitalist system against the evil socialists. In BC the party abandoned socialism at least a generation ago but that is still the MSM's take on the party. It works well because in BC and Sask and Man we now have a choice between business friendly "social democratic" governments and right wing attack dogs. It seems the only guaranteed winners in the system are once again the business owners.
Sean,
Don't fight the inevitable joining of the Working Class in North America. Take precautions, making sure that a Socialist joining takes place before the Capitalist impose their will on us.
Border Security Talks Politically Dicey for PM
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Border+security+talks+politically+dicey...
"Their discussions are expected to deal with a plan to 'take economic integration between Canada and the US to the next level', reports former Canadian diplomat Colin Robertson, Vice President of the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute."
Conservatives are known for their butt kissing of yankee ass..they did it with the arrow ..almost did it with MDA satellite technology and they basically hand the baby out with the bath water when it comes to economics. Those rat bastard conservative supporters agree with this stupidity and support it .
What I find really disturbing is now were talking annexing a country with anothers military ..like a blockade…using border security and the economy as an excuse. Face it ..it’s treason and any conservative that supports this bullshit is a “Benedict Arnold’ traitor to there country…killing little kids in Afghanistan isn’t good enough ass kissing for the conservative they have to take the whole country down with them. Totally and utterly disgraceful that the supporters of this treacherous party don’t give a shit about their own country like that. Isn’t it?
That sounds like the same approx. time that the neoliberal voodoo was introduced to federal politics and gradually led to millions of Canadians abandoning faith in our electoral system by the late 1990s. The NDP had socialist policies when the voodoo seemed to be working. The phony majority turned their backs on socialist parties and went with the busines friendly parties. And now look where it's gotten us - three decades three recessions.
The NDP's not talking socialism today because the goal posts have been altered. Now we're talking basic democracy in Canada and how to achieve it. Neoliberal ideology is inherently undemocratic, and that's the problem today not whether the NDP has abandoned anything.
All hail the social democratic ideal as constantly presented by a person who has a revolutionary's handle.
Rah Rah NDP Rah Rah NDP There Fidel is that good enough for you this morning.
Tell me Fidel have you ever worked on a winning NDP campaign?
I'm guessing that the Lieberman/CPC border security plan will involve a fence,barbed wire and/or razor wire and military personnel armed with m-16's...It'll probably also give the chance of using those new fighter jets to sweep around border towns and more power will be given to enforcement to search,seize and detain citizens and property without warrant or cause(although I believe the latter is already practiced).
But I'm sure this type of security will not affect Americans crossing the Canadian border.
Canadians are overwhelmingly against Deep Integration
The media has Canadians thinking it's just the southern border of Canada that is affected, when it is the entire north, south east and west...This is what we get for supplying oil...the same kind of crap they pull off on the middle east to secure their share is coming to Canada now. Soon the USA will dictate and control what is and what is not allowed in Canada.
This should be an election issue for the NDP ..the libs and cons have no foot to stand on regarding this deception. If Canadians want to throw their country down the drain they should at least have the opportunity to vote for it...or bring the truth to light., this is a lot more than paranoid Americans thinking terrorists come from Canada...another lie...this is dangerous if you think about it, because they create and believe lies...lies that have killed 100's of thousands of innocent people..you want these killers dictating to you?
Don't get me wrong ..I believe in a strong border also...but defended by Canada, not by the number one proliferation of terror and lies in the world. A nice strong border with a nice big fence with machine gun nests and all kinds of deterrents to keep Americans out of Canada when they come running in masse, from future biological attacks etc. That's what Canada should be looking at not kiss ass US politics...what a disgraceful bunch the conservatives are.
Funny how modern technology is heading and developing unmanned killing machines (drones) that are efficient and Canada wants to play fighter jet hand me downs...and the best drone technology is Canadian..some thing stinks there also...my guess another conservative arrow mess where Canada is TOLD to hand over drone technology to the US for reversing etc. and Canada is placed on the BUY crap fighters list.
On the one hand, I'm all for anything that expands the people's freedom of mobility, and Canada further economic integration with the US seems to me, at least in princple based on what I know of it, to be a good thing.
Based on the same principle though, the idea of a security perimeter seems like a bad thing. It sounds like a trade off between further opening our borders to the US in exchange for closin them off to the rest of the world. It's a little like the kid being forced to choose between two friends.
I would say Canada should offer a more open border to the US on the condition that the US not impose closed borders between Canada and the rest of the world. We should make it a 'take-it-or-leave-it' proposal with no time limit, willing to welcome the US into this new agreement whenever the US is prepared to accept it. Sure it might never accept it, but then no one could blame Canada for not trying to open up to the US, but rather for the US for trying to force Canada to close its borders to the rest of the world.
Not a very good trade off in my opinion.
The Integration of Canada and the USA: 'The Security Perimeter'
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23109
"A North American security perimeter would be defined and dominated by US interests. It would force Canada to make significant sacrifices in regards to sovereignty which could dramatically change the country forever.."
Security Perimeter: Harper government’s Big Lie to Canadians… and Americans
The Big Lie.
Hebert; Perimeter Issue Could Split Liberals
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/934181--hebert-perimeter-issu...
"Prime Minister Stephen Harper's decision to move Canada towards a new continental security perimeter will divide the federal Liberals and make it harder for the NDP to ensure the survival of the Conservative minority government when the budget comes down next month.."
ACTION ALERT: Say no to North American perimeter security!
Herbert's ass is sucking wind in that article. It would be, and has been, the Liberals who have helped Harper survive, just as a split amongst their ranks, or alleged split I should say, will ensure the Liberals support them yet again.
Wonderful political cartoon in the local rag today. A tiny beaver, sitting on a finger of a really mean-looking Uncle Sam is singing his heart out: "We stand on guard for thee," and Uncle Sam is demanding the beaver sing "louder."
But I don't believe it's going to have a larger impact than the Canada-European Union Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Each, in its own way, means we're fu..ed, in terms of sovereignty...the ability to choose. I just hope the cost of fuel will rise quickly enough to screw all the Globalization planners and their business plans. Canadian grown turnips, parsnips and potatoes were good enough for old Uncle Vic, and by damn, I'll eat my share of them come winter.
That Tory opinionator who called me the other day from Ottawa didn't say anything aboot perimeter security. No, her question was, what do I think of the gun registry, and would I consider voting Tory? Apparently they don't want to know what I think about them erasing the border behind our backs. It's funny but in a strange kind of way.
That were no opinionator, Mr. interlocutor, that were a Conservative hack. Tories went out with Bob Stanfield. See Geoffrey Stevens bio on Dalton Camp to see why one should not confuse the two. There was a historical break with decency.
Canada Kept US Border Talks Under Wraps: Documents
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/934675--canada-kept-border-se...
"The federal government deliberately kept negotiations on a border deal with Washington secret while it planned ways to massage public opinion in favour of the pact, according to a confidential communications strategy.
On Friday, Harper and Obama signed off on a plan that for the first time envisions throwing up a single security ring around the perimeter of Canada and the US. The wide-ranging blueprint calls for increased cooperation between the two countries' police, border and intelligence agencies, an integrated Canada-US exit-entry system using high-tech indentification techniques and more sharing of information about Canadians with US authorities.."
The Commons: The Prime Minister Does Not Deign to Explain
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/02/08/the-commons-the-prime-minister-does-n...
"The reality is this,' Mr Harper continued, rejecting Mr Ignatieff's reality and asserting his own. 'Perhaps the Leader of the Opposition missed it. The anti-free trade bandwagon left the stage a long time ago."
Homeland Insecurity
http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/warren_kinsella/2011/02/07/1...
"Harper's open border deal with US could trade away our privacy.."
Poll Suggests Canadians Overwhelmingly Favour Integrated Border with the US
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/poll-suggests-canadians-ov...
"Canadians overwhelmingly favour cooperating with the United States to increase border security and ease obstacles to cross border trade, a new poll suggests. The Canadian Press Harris Decima survey found that 75 percent of respondents supported shared intelligence gathering. But thus far at least, the poll suggests Canadians don't share concerns of the opposition parties about a possible erosion of Canada's sovereignty or a potential invasion of privacy.."
so why am I not reassurred by this?
Obama Creates World's First Superstate With US-Canada Merger
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/obama-creates-worlds-first-superstate-wit...
"In a shocking coup d'etat said to rival Nazi Germany's 1938 Anschluss of the Austrian Republic, the United States this past week effectively took control of Canada creating what is being called by Russian diplomatic officials as the world's first 21st century 'Superstate'...The shock and uproar in Canada over their Prime Minister, Stephen Harper signing away their sovereignty to the United States is unprecedented.."
the farfetched and over the top version - especially the 'shock and uproar in Canada' part...
John Ivison: NORAD Could Be Expanded To Land and Sea
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/02/11/john-ivison-norad-could-b...
"Sources suggest the North American Perimeter Security talks announced last week will include an intriguing proposal: expanding NORAD to cover land and sea operations. In this scenario, Canadian and US navies and land forces would integrate their command structures headquarters and operations when it comes to continental security..."
Senator Hugh Segal Advocates Closer North American Community
http://www.canada.com/news/national/Senator+Hugh+Segal+advocates+closer+...
"Conservatives should make it a 'priority' to advocate for the creation of a 'North American Community' composed of Canada, the United States and Mexico, which could include an 'assembly' of elected representatives from the three nations, says a leading Tory senator..
Segal writes that the 'enlightened institution building' that led to accomplishments such as NATO, NORAD, the Commonwealth and free-trade agreements with the US and Mexico' must not be allowed to grind to a halt because a contagion of self-doubt and insecurity is about to land.
'In fact, this is precisely the time to make the case to the country for a vibrant North American Community."
Hebert: Border Plan Optics Are Less Than Optimal
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/936553--hebert-border-plan-op...
"Two decades later, it looks like Harper can count on the Bloc Quebecois to get his biggest Canada-US initiative off the ground.."
So in the future the province once known as Quebec will have no flag and be known as the "French Quarter"...so much for sovereignty. Alberta is pretty well already the "American quarter"
At some point Canadians will have to wake up.......maybe when "buy americian" kicks in and they are scrounging for there next meal they will wake up...by then it will be to late.
I wouldn't hold my breath Buddy Kat, I think the national sleep is a terminal coma...
Lol...this is both funny and disturbing...But the brutal truth.
Very scary commentary.
We could never look like the EU -- the EU has 3 powerful countries (Germany, France and the UK) and many smaller ones-- the smaller ones to have a voice need only ally themselves with one of the very different big three.Not perfect but substantial power. those small countries have at least an effective balance of power in a minority government structure.
The North American version would have just one powerful country and look like a majority structure such that anyone other than the US in that relationship would be irrelevant when it comes to power. It would be nothing less than an empire.
That said, it is therefore understandable that the US would be less likely to consider a legislature giving a vote to Canadians because a series of deals that give the US power are already here and more coming so there is no need to give us a vote at the table -- even one that would be overwealmed by the US. We are a colony pure and simple and Harper has only aspirations to be a governor. Which is fine by him because he has no use for democracy and governors don't need democracy.
I should add -- even the smaller countries in the EU if they all agree and get together they are bigger than the biggest.
Of course in a North American Empire -- the two colonies Mexico and Canada cacn band together and be as collectively irrelevant as they are apart.
The only "American" union that could work would have to include in an EU-type arrangement all the Americas especially Brazil. Only then would there be any counterweight to the US. Even in that case the result would be an arrangment far more lopsided than Europe.
Of course the US would never allow that-- it has the power without having to bother with a democratic insitution that could challenge US power. The US could give us a vote becuase they know we will never be able to challenge it and that would be a nested vote.
By that I mean no open voting between all our citizens and theirs such that we could influence who governs in Washington but a two stage process where the US onyl decides who controls the US and then we run off against Canada where they ovewealm us 10-1. This is not the same as an election where Canadians could side with more Liberal areas of the US (who are as right wing as the most right wing Canadians).
Effectively these arrangments are the next steps on the way to the vision of the new Canada-- actually the old Colonial Canada.
In the last few years we erased all the economic progress of the 20th century centralizing wealth to the degree it was in the 1920s. We are now undoing the political progress that was made since the 1840s. We will be left without responsibile government. We will have elections-- sham elections that mean nothing with forgone conclusions. Our civil rights will be off the table.
And enough Canadians will vote for this hoping for a tax cut.
Well I guess all the tactics of the left, over that last 30 odd years, have turned into one big failure.
On every front the conservatives are winning. They even have Jack Layton begging them not to hold an election and the Union leadership in Toronto telling them they will not go out on strike.
Yup all those years telling us to cooperate with the Liberals, to not be militant, to distancing themselves from basic Socialism language and principles to helping the conservatives take down the Federal Liberals.
We have been beet back and down that at every turn there is a new fight to be had.
Just look at Toronto, the city Union leadership said he would work with Ford and what does Ford do? He turns around ans tells them he is going to privatize everything under the sun.
When the left compromises the Right doesn't and turns your weakness into your ball and chain.
You guys are worried about the intigration of Canada and the USA...haaa, you guys don't even have an answer for saving the jobs of Toronto garbage collecters and can't even stop people from harassing TTC drivers.
Haaa, the more I come here to Rabble and listen to the arguments, the more sadness I feel....