The Monarchy & "Liberal" Royalists
Of all things, before all else, I must issue a sincere and heartfelt condemnation to royalists that identify themselves as leftists or liberals. There is nothing liberal or democratic about monarchy, whatever it has done or hasn’t done. Any person who calls themselves a leftist and a monarchist is like a black member of the Ku Klux Klan—an idiot undergoing an identity crisis. One can’t be the upholder of democratic ideals and of an inherently evil and unnecessary institution that is at the core of all the inconsistent whinings about imperialism and colonialism we Canadians have always attributed against the Americans. Republics can correct themselves while monarchies cannot and won’t. Royalists, whatever political stripe, either hate democracy or are too stupid or insane (in some cases both) to realize monarchy is an evil affront to democracy and will fight tooth and nail to prevent it. I also want to issue a goddamned slap in the face to all the cowards and cop-outs that conjure up all sorts of excuses to not end the damned institution and end it now. “Let’s wait til it passes; let’s wait til Prince Charles takes the throne.” Then what? Suppose nothing happens? Do we wait until he dies and another? Such a stupid cop-out based on the assumption that we should just sit still and wait til the universe or our elected “representatives” entertain the idea of tackling the head of state, despite the constitutional risk. Speaking of the Constitution, no Canadian has read it, understood it or cared about it, and the wide majority of those who even heard about it are so stupid they don’t know what damned country they’re living in; some people (ordinary folk, the ones Canada’s left miserably fails to reach out to) even believe that the age of consent is eighteen when in fact it’s sixteen (for girls). Things of this importance must be tackled, even if it means having to go through the constitution, which is a bad document anyway, drafted up by London barristers and solicitors who have never been to Canada to begin with. If our constitution is such a headache that it can't be touched or amended, even when absolutely necessary, then it is a bad constitution that Canada and her people don’t deserve or need, and along with the monarchy, must be abolished and replaced with a republican constitution that emphasizes on the universal values and foundations of freedom, equality, and unity. The current “constitution” (which is really the re-named British North America Act, thus it isn’t Canadian) that we, the dwellers of the British colonial outpost, live under is a total failure, as much of a failure as its fellow rag, the Charter, which doesn’t guarantee serious civil liberties since it’s more of a gesture by the powerful to the people to keep the petty rabble quiet as the elite, elected and unelected, sit on their hands and do nothing as usual, than a serious curb to government abuses. We think Canada is great because we imagine it is great, deluded by fantasies painted by our governments provincial and federal, and self-deluded, enticed by idiotic ramblings of a few obscure names that no one cares about, such as Wayne Gretzki or Farley Mowat. The Americans rightfully wrenched themselves free from the throngs of the British Empire—a once powerful land-hungry monster (as all empires were and are) that ruined and exploited the natives of their conquered land, including Canada—over more than just taxes (among the other ideas being the stupidity of a continent being governed by a mere island in Europe), and forged themselves an identity based on ideals that were universal, drawing from the ideas of the enlightenment. Canada stayed in the dark, damp safety of its mother’s basement, masturbating to Star Wars porn (which is an American film) while relishing in the problems its brother has to deal with on its own. This author is a proud Canadian but also a patriot, a Canadian separatist. It appreciates American ideas, American innovation, American spirit, but prefers to stay Canadian. How stupid are Canadian royalists and neutrals to assume that Canada would break-up and become part of the US the moment Canada becomes independent? Very stupid. We’re already in a similar position by being part of the Commonwealth of Nations, the skeletal remains of a dead empire. There’s all this horse-shit about sovereignty and independence while sharing the same head of state as other nations . . . the definition of an empire. The bottom line difference between a republican form of government and a monarchy is that the head of state is elected in a republic, and the head of state of a monarchy is not; executive power for the former is transferred by popular choice, regardless of blood or line of birth, and executive power for the latter is transferred by blood and line of birth, regardless of public input. The rest is commentary. Yet these liberal “royalists” and passive “republicans” (the former insanely clever, insane or both; the latter insanely stupid, insane or both) are part of the disease that has ruined, divided, weakened, impoverished and deluded Canada and Canadians (except people in Quebec, who see themselves as real Canadians) for almost 150, dragged into European wars and affairs to preserve and expand the British Empire. English Canadians view and treat all Francophones and Aboriginals as diseased trophies of conquest, and Francophones and Aboriginals regard Anglophones as oppressors. Now, the common stupid leftist will croak: “Regarding foreign wars, we didn’t enter Iraq!” True, but why then should we have a head of state of another country as Britain, which has troops in Iraq?! Why be associated with that? Is it not supreme commander of the armies of Britain and of Canada? Also, we’re in Afghanistan, and despite the horrors unleashed by the godless Taliban when they seized power in 1996, we went in after almost a decade but for a different reason, which hasn’t been found yet thanks to shifting priorities. Another ire that boggles the mind is that these same people, the liberal “royalists” and passive republicans and fence sitters, who claim they were horrified by the sights and action of the G20, where peaceful protesters, journalists and even ordinary people were violently assaulted, harassed, humiliated by Toronto police, the very same police that pussied-out when anarchists and political extremists trashed and rioted in the downtown core for almost two hours, attacking journalists, photographers, videographers, and ordinary people and trashed the windows of not just corporations but also of small businesses—small businesses, propped up by immigrants who came here to find a new place to live and stay—and torched police cars which, according to legend which stayed as a legend, would’ve caused the police to enact some sort of murderous vengeance against them, and other stupid shit, while a group of world leaders sat around for no reason only to make an unimportant statement . . . excused and dismissed the utter callousness and obliviousness to these horrors by the Old Hen and holder of that useless, undemocratic and un-Canadian sinecure who paid a visit minutes after yet another international event Canadians always embarrass themselves in, with a pageantry of mockery that consisted of visiting only a few provinces, opening a human rights museum, and then proclaiming that “Canada is an example of the world,” as “above politics” or “above the world,” without specifying jack-shit other than perhaps meaning she’s so superior that she’s above morality and human responsibility, which is horse-shit. These people, these disgusting utilitarians, like other moanarchists, think that certain human beings should be so above morality, so above irresponsibility solely based on power alone that they somehow have a “right” to do whatever they like, even tyrannical whenever madness, idiocy or cunning demands . . . such is the motto of tyrants and their supporters who suffer from Stockholm syndrome. Liberal “royalists” are just as stupid as other royalists and thus have no place in calling themselves “liberal” or “leftist.” These people who think that monarchy, an undemocratic and antidemocratic institution imposed on Canadians, is somehow in some bizarre compatible with democracy should set sail to England (and yes, let the smart-asses surge forth and attempt to correct me, I dare them damned bastards!) and stay there. Why be so far away from something they love so much?
And what of the rest of the left? Here we are, fighting for causes we can’t and don't understand, that we assume the business of other nations should be our business while ignoring what happens here. Can we not start change at home first?
"Off With Their Heads!", this is what we heard in the streets of london, england, the previous December!
You seem to think that a lot of people are stupid. Everyone but yourself, actually.
Canada's symbolic monarchy doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg, so tell me again why I should get myself all worked up about it?
"You seem to think that a lot of people are stupid."
Of course they are.
"Everyone but yourself, actually."
Really? Because I have different opinions about the monarchy, which are right? Or does that reflect your own opinion of yourself?
"Canada's symbolic monarchy doesn't pick my pocket or break my leg, so tell me again why I should get myself all worked up about it?"
Symbolic how? Symbol of what? And how ironic that you had to paraphrase an American that fought for his nation's freedom and wrote its declaration of independence to justify the very thing he fought against. It's mere powerlessness is also a problem for Canadians, that despite being "apolitical," it is nonetheless useless, and a puppet of the political. Try reading the damned thing again.
Hate to bring Macleans into this or any discussion, but at last count, we're apparently paying more per capita for the monarchy than the Brits.
$1.53 per person/year
Roughly 40 to 50 million per year. Yeah, thats more than enough to get worked up about considering the areas that go wanting for support.
Yes, perhaps . . . but that's London, ENGLAND, not anywhere in Canada. What provincial capitals? When was the last time we take issue this evil, ridiculous, undemocratic institution?
Even if they receive pennies from us, there's more than mere finances to dump the damned crown. So we should deprive ourselves and other Canadians democracy for the sake of money? If such is the case, why have parliaments, then? Or elections? Then why not just place all power in the hands of aristocrats so that they save money at our expense, regardless of the rights and needs of the people right? Popular sovereignty is better than the sovereignty of one.
I certainly agree. How are we ever going to contend with the new moneyed aristocracy in this country if we can't even manage to get the old ones off our backs.
Oh thank God! Someone with brains.
The monarchy is an interesting - and perhaps necessary - way to embody and symbolise abstract constitutional concepts and sovereignty.
That figure includes the costs of the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governors - institutions that would likely exist in some form or another anyway, with or without the House of Windsor.
So, having the Queen as our head-of-state means that we're associated with the Iraq War, because she's also the head-of-state for Britain? I guess by that logic, Jamaica must be strongly associated with gay and lesbian equality, since the UK protects gays from discrimination and recognizes civil unions. And Jamaica and the UK both have the Queen as head-of-state.
Patriot wrote:
When was the last time we take issue this evil, ridiculous, undemocratic institution?
Well, we're terrified of taking action, because then god knows what Perfidious Albion will do. Remember when Australia had their referendum on abolishing the monarchy in 1999? The Queen actually sent in the Royal Navy to burn Sydney to the ground! Sure, some traitors tried to claim that the republicans just lost because they were incapable of presenting a coherent alternative(or for that matter dividing their press releases into readable paragraphs), but we know the truth!
"The monarchy is an interesting - and perhaps necessary - way to embody and symbolise abstract constitutional concepts and sovereignty."
*blank stare*
I think I've read something stupider. Do you not know what the hell monarchy even is?! Or "constitutional"? Or "sovereignty"? "Oh, it keeps things interesting!" Yes, democracy is sacrificed in the name of symbolism and embodiment of . . . what the hell are you talking about? I'm guessing that you're merely guessing what the hell it's there for. And symbol of what?
They're from the same system perpetuated by House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. They serve no purpose here in this country. We don't even rally around them for 'Queen and Country' wars anymore.
Odd then, that Sweden is generally regarded as having done a better job than the Americans of keeping their moneyed aristocracy in line, despite Sweden being a monarchy and the US being a republic. (I'm not sure where France would fit into the mix, since they're a republic, but overall to the left of the US. My own guess is it really doesn't matter what head-of-state you have, as long as the unelected ones retain only symbolic authority).
Oh ha-ha, quite funny, VOTD. And by your logic, the monarchy has nothing do with Canada, so we should keep it. And that makes no sense.
Who cares about Sweden?
Let me guess, VOTD, you're one of those idiots that conjures elaborate, confusing excuses to preserve this utterly stupid, useless and dangerous head of theocracies like ours and Australia?
Did you even know what happened in Australia? The royalists there rigged the referendum, and each year celebrate it with that anti-democratic shithead Howard, who is a monarchist that headed the constitutional assembly or conference or whatever there in Australia, and the main issue was direct election of a president vs. parliamentary appointment. Tell me how royalists didn't rig the referendum.
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Even the symbols and trappings must eventually go. They are the capstone and cornerstone around which the entire societal structure has been built. They are personified and exalted symbols of privilege that have only ever existed as non-consensual drains on the public welfare coffers.
Also, V(OT)D, it does matter what head of state you have and what powers it has. Though I utterly despise symbolic presidencies, it's a little better, a little better, than symbolic monarchies.
Why eventually? Why can't we just push them out? Yes, let's wait for Parliament to entertain the idea. Every MP that has forwarded such proposals has been deprived a voice. Even the well-paid media hardly gives notice, and any notice would be stuffed into the backdoor of their magazine or newspaper or blog to keep it out of sight and try not to offend royalists like V(OT)D.
Who cares about Sweden?
Good logic.
A: Birds can fly.
B: What about penguins?
A: Who cares about penguins?
Let me guess, VOTD, you're one of those idiots that conjures elaborate, confusing excuses to preserve this utterly stupid, useless and dangerous head of theocracies like ours and Australia?
So now we're a theocracy, just because we have the monarchy? I guess Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition should just switch to a "Bring back the Queen" position, and they'll have their utopia in one bold stroke?
Anyway, got any of evidence of electoral fraud in the Australian referendum?
What can someone say to a nation that celebrates queen victoria, one of the biggest terrorist in history. 1837-1901, genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginals, land clearances in Scotland, famines in Ireland and India. Ah yes, we do not need to refer what happen here in canada of maybe Africa! God save the qwueen!
Hi patriot, welcome to babble. Now that you're in the thick of things, have another gander at the babble policy you agreed to when you signed up, particularly the part which prohibits personal attacks. I think you will enjoy your time here much more (and much longer) if you stop calling babblers stupid or idiotic. Settle down and make your points respectfully.
Hehe.
Here's Patriot's last attempt to get people all riled up about Liz, a year ago.
Set your clocks for February, 2012 and be prepared to be called stupid if you don't hate the queen.
V(OT)D
Is this some kind of reference to venereal disease? If so, I must commend you on your exquisite taste in terminological anachronisms. In these boring, politically-correct times, most people have switched to the much less romantic Sexually Transmitted Disease.
Monarchies are never secular. But for the sake of argument, let's say a secular monarchy existed. That still doesn't justify monarchy's existence.
As for Australia, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm merely speculating based on what I've known . . . so far. I suggest the Aussies take a look into it themselves. I've stated my reasons and observations for such a thing, which you wilfully ignored. Now go bugger off and masturbate to the portrait of Prince Charles . . . hopefully not of a young Prince Charles. Hopefully.
VOTD, have I ever told you that I like you? Because I do.
And I don't give a damn.
So you're out of arguments, then, Snert? You're done? Then fuck off and stop leeching.
Oh dear. patriot, I feel like your relationship and babble's is at an end. Nevertheless, I thank you for your impassioned defence of the monarchy in Canada--your presence on these boards has enriched our thoughts and our lives.
What can someone say to a nation that celebrates queen victoria, one of the biggest terrorist in history. 1837-1901, genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginals, land clearances in Scotland, famines in Ireland and India. Ah yes, we do not need to refer what happen here in canada of maybe Africa! God save the qwueen!
Well you know, in the Great Republic to the south, they have a day honouring every president, some of whom did some pretty nasty stuff as well. I don't know who the republicans over in France honour, besdies Marianne. Maybe Robespierre or Napoleon or some card-carrying liberal like that.
And in the UK, they've actually got a statue of the great regicide Cromwell at Parliament. Our man Patriot might like that, but I can't imagine the Irish are too happy about it.