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"According to the spokesperson, there are documents, photographs and footage that confirms his espionage "
Dumb excuses when caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Really those nice shots of your bunker emplacements were just for scenic value. The reason I have lists of people I think are Taliban is for research purposes only." Ranks right up there with, "we were just hiking in the Kurdish mountains and wandered into Iran." Or maybe; "is that river I waded really the American border?"
Yeah, the Taliban spokesperson...
Haven't you learned yet, Northern Shoveler, that only NATO spokespersons can be trusted?
Think what you want but spokespersons only say what is in the interest to the group they represent. It's up to you to believe them or not and that will be based on your own agenda and perception of that group.
Gee Bec no sense of humour. Did I say I believed the report? I thought it was obvious I was having a little fun. Since you seem so cynical tell me what you thought of the American "tourists" who "wandered" into Iran? Was that really just a murderous regime picking on some nice young people?
Oh, you mean like, the guy who lives there, as opposed to the guys who invaded there? Yeah, those natives, can't be trusted, they don't come from an honest truthful advanced culture like us.
Victory to the Afghan insurgency! Total defeat to the invaders and their puppets! Canada get out before you're driven out!
"Ex-Taliban" spy raking in aid money
Lots of "aid money" being pumped into Afghanistan and very little of it for poverty relief or social democracy. The creme of the Taliban are becoming wealthy, too.
They aren't going to kill him just yet.
They are going to try to get the money first.
What the Harper administration decides will be the fate of this person will be instructive of this administration's policy towards Canadians who find themselves in difficult situations abroad.
So far the track record is not good.
Omar Khadr
Maher Arrar
Abousfian Abdelrazik (and many others)
Versus
Brenda Martin.
So far the track record's not good.
We know where you're coming from. Huh, buddy?
Sorry if I missed the humor, I'm usually the one poking fun and getting everyone riled up... Nice one you got me.
As for your question my first impression was they were pretty stupid... for spies or tourists...
Anyways: life choices, we all make them. Some are better at it than others I guess. Rich white kids: nobody cares about them.
Is there something in that statement you think is false? (You lefties are getting all snippy lately... must be Libya; you're stuck between a rock and a hard place)
Bec, Taliban ideology is not really their Islam in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Millions of people were deliberately and strategically placed between a rock and hard place and not by choice. What do you think of that?
No.
On the contrary,
I find your honesty and the way you wear your political views on your sleeve quite refreshing.
this EX taliban is precisely the kind of corrupt, mafia sellout hustler the Western powers cultivate. His value system wouldn't be at all out of place in downtown Toronto or the ranks of some Canadian political parties.
Have no fear, the 'graveyard of empires' makes many more lions, who fight poor and honourably to rid their lands of just such rank corruption as this, and chase the Crusaders away.
'and the times they are a changin..'
US Invaders Airstrikes Martyr 12 Children in Kunar
http://www.shahamat.info/english/
"In Kunar's Nanglain district, as many as 12 innocent children of the villagers were brutally martyred, and two more seriously injured, in the US invading force's deadly airstrikes. Heinous terrorism. The children are said to have been collecting firewood for their family use when the barbarous America forces started bombing the area, martyring the small, innocent children who were expected to be the future of the nation and to care for their parents in their old age.."
Mar 1, IEA: American Salutes Kunar: The Proud Land of Our Mujahid Forefathers
http://www.shahamat.info/english/
..."The deep American economic woes and the Americans hate for this war is exactly what compelled the American Defense Minister to plainly tell the Karzai regime that they should look for other countries to train and fund its police and army and that they should no longer depend on American alone to fund such projects...
It looks like the Americans have understood that they can no longer sleep well in their bases as the populace has decided to avenge their blood. Therefore they decided to put an end to their illegitimate outpost in Paich. The American invading forces have saluted and decided to withdraw from the proud land of our Mujahid forefathers..."
Taliban? Imagine a carbon copy of imperial Saudi Arabia except with Afghan women, children and minorities without many of the same basic rights. Always be suspicious of ISI/CIA/Saudi-backed proxies who ban dancing and rejoicing. They are faux revolutionaries.
Afghanistan and Pakistan not very lucky according to London based Pakistani news journalist. Violent misogyny and extreme intolerance was never indigenous to either country. Introduction of Taliban religious extremism was introduced to Pakistan and Afghanistan by General Zia, Saudi princes and the CIA in the latter half of the 20th century.
LOL NDPP you're posting for Jihadie/Taliban websites now?
That's golden...
Maybe that's because the US media don't report stories like that until someone decides to apologize for the mass murders.
the fact is maybe it didn't take place or maybe it did but you have no idea - your distrust of NATO sources is understandable but your trust in Taliban source is foolish at best.
the tone of certainty by some posters as to what is the truth and what isn't makes this whole thread feel like a sick joke
It took place, Petraeus had to apologize to Karzai. I make no claim everything I post is 'truth', unlike the lapdog corporate MSM. I post from all sides, of which this is one. I leave you to decide what the 'truth' is.
Yeah it's pretty difficult to know who is reporting the truth. I tend to like lefty sources, but that's not to say that Fox or CNN are 100% lies all of the time either. Sometimes the truth can be hidden in plain view by a bodyguard of lies, or something like that. Most MSM sources, though, will write about the Taliban and al-CIA'da like they are totally new enemies of the US and civilized world. The truth is that those groups and more have been on the US taxpayer's payroll for a long time. This is not a real war on terror. They lie to us and sometimes qualify the lies with just enough truth to make it believable. But the official lies and deception are constant and pervasive as a general rule.
When the CIA and Brits produced reports years ago that they expected an increase in conspiracy theorism as a result of proliferation of internet communications, they knew why. They knew then that certain large percentages of people would figure out that their version of truth and the other version of truth are two different things.
I agree that you do that.
Do you really think Obama would apologize for killing 9 children who were out gathering firewood if he wasn't pretty damn sure it had actually happened?
The ignorance of some posters makes this thread feel like a sick joke.
Here is the Al Jazeera report. Appended to the end of the video curiously, is a completely unrelated story/footage, clearly identified as being from a bank robbery in Jalallabad, Pakistan. Presumably it is necessary to alleviate the outrage over NATO with this clumsy propganda of 'equivalency'
Apology For Afghan Child Deaths (and vid)
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia/2011/03/2011339502683263.html
"Locals angered by deadly air raid in Kunar province'
Putting a smiley face next to a nasty personal jab doesn't make it less nasty. Think you could argue your position without it? Thanks.
Actually that wasn't a personnel jab; it was a friendly nudge... no nastiness was intended at all. NDPP, a few others here and I go a long way back in this thread, well Afghanistan ones anyways. We know each other's positions on this, we know nobody is going to change but we can still respect each other's positions (at least I can). That's not to say we don't spar with each other here, I get my fair share of doinks here as well, but I don't think anybody here takes things too personnel. I guess we sometimes forget the rest of the world's watching us in here. I actually read NDPP's web links and even explore around on the sites... On the web site I commented on for example, while the reference to the air strike was based on fact, they also claim to have destroyed about 20 or so "tanks" in the last few weeks... NATO doesn't even have 20 tanks in Afghanistan... not to mention the amount of US killed they claim, it's just crazy. (That's what I really was teasing NDPP over) I guess I should have elaborated a bit more, dam my laziness.
Anyways, offending smiley removed.
Thanks for the time you spent keeping me/us straight.
Thanks Rebecca, but I'm quite up to handling any and all here especially that one
@ Bec: CAW CAW!
PS - Of course it's propaganda, but so is most of this stuff, for somebody or other - actually I think when they say 'tanks' they may actually mean APCs..
I've not a whit of sympathy for the purported spy. It signifies that DFAIT have clammed up tight on this one. I hope his captors squeeze every last drop of intelligence out of him then use him as a hostage - say, to trade against Predator strikes on wedding parties or something.
It's 'Great Game' fantasists like this criminal who foul the pitch for all who follow. As an obviously western white male of about the age and build of the American murderer/spy recently captured in Pakistan I'll be an obvious suspect for some of the unfriendlier civil agencies when I head into Syria in a couple of days. Thanks MUCH, asshole.
Not to mention it shows such towering contempt for the peoples and cultures they do their dirty business in.
It's a region that's certainly 'jumpin'. Have a good one Merowe, stay safe and send us news..
Heh...so far so good. Thought it would be warmer. People super nice and the streets full of the smell of roasting coffee and baking cinnamon. Working up some notes. Aleikum salaam.
Who is to say the same thing didn't happen to Mackenzie? Seeing how no one knows much about this alleged spy, what makes you - a tourist in Syria - so much different than him?
But have a safe trip - I'd tell you to take lots of pictures, but that might get you arrested as a spy.