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A Fight in Tunisia

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RevolutionPlease
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Demand a democracy in your country too!!!


al-Qa'bong
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Noah_Scape wrote:

 

Yes, Fidel, we might be witnessing the start of a revolution in North Africa and other Islamic nations.  Some of those nations that might rise up against Elite rule were listed in a BBC article: Egypt Yemen Algeria Libya Jordan Morocco.

This is unique in that the protestors are not aligned with a particular religious stripe, or any political party. In fact, the protestors are going out of their way to keep it like that.

emphasis mine.

 

While you might think of these as "Islamic nations," the people in question might identify themselves as something else.


al-Qa'bong
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döppelpost


Fidel
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I think the lead western nations have worked diligently to affect radical Islamization of those countries. They've propped up kings and despots and military dictators, and supported the most right wing fundamentalist elements in those nations as a way of destabilizing them over the last four or five decades. The majority of them just want social democracy and freedom to hold moderate religious beliefs.


quelar
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We are on the edge of what could be an incredible transition in the middle east, possibly spreading outwards,  however we have one major problem,  our own government and it's friends.

 

If, by some chance, we could distract our own nations enough that the people of the middle east finally, after frankly millennia get their own choice in how their own country is run.....

 

Well...  I guess I'm on too much of an optimistic bend right now...

 

*diatribe* You remember that rant/scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where he's talking about the high water mark, and how he saw the waters hit there, and then it stopped and rolled back...  just hope for a day or two, I'm sure some imperial nation will be in there to ruin it by monday.


al-Qa'bong
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[post deleted, and moved to the Egyptian thread, although what I said about Egypt goes for Tunisia and the rest of the Arab world]


NDPP
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'Tunisia Is In Dicey Situation'

http://www.presstv.com/detail/164197.html

"Political analysts believe there might be signs that signal the Tunisian revolution has been hijacked by the loyalists to President Ben Ali despite his ouster in January..'


al-Qa'bong
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What started in Tunisia has obviously inspired Egyptians, and has prodded movements to arise in Jordan, Yemen, Libya, Algeria and Bahrain, a major base for the US navy in the Gulf.
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At least two pro-reform protesters were killed and dozens were injured as hundreds of Bahraini riot police, armed with tear gas, rubber bullets and clubs storm the main square in the capital as protesters slept. The pre-dawn assault on Pearl Roundabout, which has become the focal point for protesters demanding reform, was meant to disperse the crowd and regain control of the area. Speaking to Al Jazeera from Salmaniya hospital, the main medical facility in Manama, Maryama Alkawaka of Bahrain Centre for Human Rights, said that she saw dozens of injured demonstrators being wheeled into emergency rooms. "People were attacked while they were sleeping. There was no warning," she said. "And when they ran, the police attacked them from the direction they fled to."
  Bahrain police storm protest site  
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At least two people have been killed in clashes between Libyan security forces and demonstrators in the town of Bayda, east of Benghazi, the second largest city, as activists plan major anti-government protests throughout the country on Thursday. The victims' names were: Khaled ElNaji Khanfar and Ahmad Shoushaniya. Wednesday's deaths come as hundreds of protesters have reportedly torched police outposts in the eastern city of Beyida, while chanting: "People want the end of the regime." At least 38 people were also injured in the clashes, including ten security officials.
  Protesters die in Libya unrest  
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Police shot and killed two protester in Yemen's main southern city of Aden, medics said, while unrest in the capital Sanaa against the rule of Ali Abdullah Saleh, the president, continued for a sixth straight day. Mohammed Ali Alwani, 21, was shot dead after clashes broke out between police and demonstrators, his father said. The other victim has not yet been identified.

Police in Aden fired shots into the air to try to break up around 500 protesters. Medics said one of the victims had been hit in the back. The demonstrators hurled stones at police, set tyres and vehicles on fire and stormed a municipal building where heavy gunfire was heard.
  Protesters killed in Yemen clashes  
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The Algerian government has said it will end its 19-year-old state of emergency "within days".

Mourad Medelci, the foreign minister, made the announcement on Monday, echoing a similar promise made by Abdelaziz Bouteflika, the president, earlier this month.

"In the coming days, we will talk about it as if it was a thing of the past," Medelci told French rmedia.

A state of emergency has been in place in Algeria since 1992 and the government has come under pressure to remove the laws following popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

The decision also comes after demonstrations across the country, calling for a change of government.

On Sunday, hundreds of stone-throwing demonstrators clashed with police in the eastern city of Annaba. Four police officers were slightly injured during clashes with young protesters outside the local government headquarters.
 Algerian unrest
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Thousands of people in Jordan have taken to the streets in protests, demanding the country's prime minister step down, and the government curb rising prices, inflation and unemployment.

In the third consecutive Friday of protests, about 3,500 opposition activists from Jordan's main Islamist opposition group, trade unions and leftist organisations gathered in the capital, waving colourful banners reading: "Send the corrupt guys to court".

The crowd denounced Samir Rifai's, the prime minister, and his unpopular policies.

Many shouted: "Rifai go away, prices are on fire and so are the Jordanians.''

Another 2,500 people also took to the streets in six other cities across the country after the noon prayers. Those protests also called for Rifai's ouster.
Thousands protest in Jordan

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....opposition activists from Jordan's main Islamist opposition group, trade unions and leftist organisations gathered in the capital, waving colourful banners reading: "Send the corrupt guys to court".  The crowd denounced Samir Rifai's, the prime minister, and his unpopular policies.

Try imagining those collective sentiments echoing from the lawn on Parliament Hill.


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The US will be watching developments in Bahrain anxiously as it is the headquarters of the US navy's fifth fleet, which operates at least one aircraft carrier in the Gulf at all times, along with an amphibious group of ships with marines aboard.

The fleet's presence is aimed at ensuring the free flow of oil through the Gulf, as well as monitoring Iran and deterring piracy [sic].

...Bahrain has been the headquarters of US naval activity in the Gulf since 1948, with the fifth fleet's area of responsibility covering the Gulf, Red Sea, Gulf of Oman, parts of the Indian Ocean and several important shipping lanes. During the 1991 Gulf war US and Bahraini aircraft flew thousands of sorties against Iraq. At the start of the Afghanistan war Bahrain provided extensive basing and overflight clearances for US aircraft, and the Bahrain monetary agency moved quickly to restrict funds controlled by suspected terrorists.

In 2003, Bahrain was named by George Bush as a major non-Nato ally. The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, during a visit to Manama in December, called Bahrain "a model partner", not only for the US but other countries in the region.

 

 

Bahrain protests a worry for US and its fifth fleet

 

Interactive map of the Arab/Middle Eastern revolts (this is worth the click just to see who advertises there)


Unionist
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The struggle continues:

Tunisian PM Mohammed Ghannouchi resigns over protests

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On Friday and Saturday, anti-government protesters held huge rallies calling for Mr Ghannouchi's resignation.

At least three people were killed in clashes between hundreds of demonstrators and security forces in Tunis on Saturday.

Tunisia's government had insisted it was introducing reforms as fast as it could, and that it was planning to hold elections by July.

But those promises did not seem to satisfy the protesters, correspondents say.

 


al-Qa'bong
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A sign of Arab unity from Saturday's protests in Tunisia:

Notice the Palestinian flags.  The liberation of Palestine is part of the intifada that is happening all over the Arab world.


Ken Burch
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Beautiful image there.

What's happening in the Arab world now reminds me of Brecht's Song of the Moldau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F8kTyENBVI


Caissa
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Canada will soon be able to freeze the assets of the former Tunisian regime.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon announced Thursday the government has introduced legislation to make sure it has the power to freeze the assets of foreign heads of state.

The government says it was able to stop Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi and his close associates from accessing their assets in Canada because of a UN resolution passed last week. But Tunisia was a different case.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/03/03/pol-asset-freeze-law.html


al-Qa'bong
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And people complain about the BDS movement?

All Israeli assets should be frozen until the occupation of Palestine ends.


Slumberjack
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The Mubarak Lotto stashes should be placed on ice as well, along with any proceeds from the Bahraini mega-millions give away that may be laying about.  By comparison, these quick draw McGraws are darn fast with business acquaintances they don't particularly get along with.


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Al-Qa'eda commander of Tripoli - and now Godfather of the NATO-backed "Free Syrian Army" - tours democratic Tunisia 4 days ago

A Tunisian wrote:
"Frankly, I do not understand what good that Jihadist will do us in Tunisia," commented Asma Aouichaoui. "We need relations that can help Tunisia proceed for the better. We want global energies that can help Tunisia progress and prosper, not Jihad and nonsense."

I tend to want to agree with Asma that Al-CIA'duh in the Islamic Maghreb (ACIAIM) doesn't appear to be a good sign for the 'Arab Spring' in general.

The war on democracy continues.

 


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Tunisia: One Year After the Revolution - Wave of Strikes and Uprisings  -  by Jorge Martin

http://www.marxist.com/tunisia-one-year-after-the-revolution-wave-of-str...

"One year after the revolutionary overthrow of Ben Ali, Tunisia faces a wave of strikes, regional uprisings, sit-ins and protests of all sorts. For hundreds of thousands of Tunisian workers and youth who bravely defied the bullets of the dictatorship to get jobs and dignity nothing has fundamentally changed..."

 


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'Mossad Active in Tunisia Again'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/20/247188/mossad-active-tunisia-again/

"A Tunisian political activist has warned that following the country's revolution, Israeli spy agency Mossad has renewed its activity there, focusing on setting up chaos and incitement networks. Sihem Bensedrine, a journalist, activist and founder/spokesperson of the National Council for Liberties in Tunisia (CNLT), said the spy agency is present in Tunisia and aims to derail the democratic process in the country with the help of radical Salafis.."


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Tunisia Descending Into Chaos  - by Christof Lehman

http://nsnbc.me/2013/02/09/tunisia-descending-into-chaos-tunisians-dont-...

"...With radical Islamist organizations present, weapons easily accessible from Libya, with Salafist clerics issuing fatwas that legitimize the murder of opponents to the ruling party and the government, Tunisia may very well spiral into a situation close to a civil war.."

 

Pro-Government Rally in Tunisia Gathers Thousands as Crisis Grows (photos)

http://rt.com/news/tunisia-pro-govt-rally-830/

"...The demonstrators' rage was also directed at the French, former rulers of colonial times Tunisia. French Interior Minister Manuel Valls has condemned Belaid's assassination and called it an attack on 'the values of Tunisia's Jasmine revolution'. He also warned of a rising 'Islamist fascism' in Tunisia prompting Ennahda to protest against 'French interference in the country's internal affairs."

 

Tunisia PM Proposes Cabinet Reshuffle (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/10/288196/tunisia-pm-proposes-cabi...

"Many people in Tunisia blame Paris for the ongoing tensions here. They charge that the French government seeks to deepen divisions in this already volatile North African nation."


autoworker
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Events here require context with similar events in the region.

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EU Lifts Sanctions Against Ben Ali Family

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/31/306417/eu-lifts-sanctions-on-be...

"By abandoning the course, experts say, the EU has placed itself in support of the Ben Ali family, at the expense of rebuilding Tunisia.."

Canada reportedly also seized millions in Ben Ali assets here. Wonder where that went?


lagatta
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The Ben Ali/Trabelsi clan were and remain a veritable mafia (ties to the nearby original Mafia too, and lots of other seamy shit). This is utterly disgusting. Not only stealing people's "tax dollars" as the Con refrain goes, but many cases of outright extortion and theft.


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Tunisians Condemn US Interference in their Internal Affairs (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/01/306563/tunisians-condemn-us-int...

"...Tunisian Justice Minister Nelhir Ben Amou has condemned US intereference in the Tunisian judiciary.."


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