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The prevailing attitude appears to be taking 9 out of 10 cookies and then telling the unions that private industry took their cookie. ( with apologies to whomever dreamed the cookie metaphor up).
I like the other joke better. A CEO, trade unionist and a tea bagger sit down with a dozen cookies. The CEO takes 11 and then turns to the tea bagger and says the trade union guy is trying toi steal your cookie.
That is a close relative of a Dosanjh New Democrat. I'll bet my bottom dollar if you voted in that leadership campaign Ujjal was your man.
If you've been following the NDP leadership threads since late last year, you will know that I'm supporting John Horgan. Yesterday, Dan Miller endorsed Horgan in the race. A nice one-two punch.
I'll take that as a yes to the question of whether you supported Ujjal when he won the leadership. Carry on Centrist it is very clear that the BC NDP is your party not mine. Good luck in your bid to replace the Howe Street liberals with the Joyce Street liberals.
Hm. Are Farnsworth, Dix and Horgan preaching to the NDP choir in order to become leader or are they really ideologically-driven enough to bite the hand that feeds them?
Its one thing to appeal to the extemists in the party for support at convention and another entirely to voice this message to the electorate. Political suicide.
oh here we go it's Sunday and Liberals are promising here he's doing 8 Billion plan today OK Jill you need to stop you just spent 15 billion this week alone where he seems he's getting all this money puzzles me think 9 % GST is coming back people don't make the mistake and vote for this clown oh wait 3 Billion more know so 18 billion this week alone holy cow Jill keep this up we'll be broke by the end of next week omg vote conservative please people
There are two huge problems with provincial governments uncrtitcally hitching their wagons to the shale gas bonanza.
One is acquiring a cavalier approach to "regulation" and oversight that adopts what the industry calls "best practices".
The second problem is the race to the bottom for lower royalties.
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B.C. already has a generous low-royalty regime in place for the Horn River, which helped spark buying activity in an area that could produce great quantities of gas - though it is costly and complicated to drill.
Several companies, including Encana Corp., have been approved for the special low-royalty regime, which is mirrored on the oil sands in Alberta where producers can recoup costs before paying money to the government.
But the energy business wants more. B.C.'s new Energy Minister, Rich Coleman, recently travelled to visit executives in Calgary, where industry leaders indicated they'd like to see an expansion of the special low-royalty program. Mr. Coleman, in an interview, said the province will consider the request.
Given the number of provinces and states making sure the red carpet stays out for the industry, toughening regulation or eschewing back door reductions in royalties is probably going to have the industry pick up its bat and leave.
The resource is only getting more valuable. They can come back when they want to meet your terms.
Royalties and groundwater contamination are bigger issues than the amount of water drawn from the Willington Reservoir, if Roscoe's figures are correct {thanks for doing that, btw, Roscoe!}
Like Alberta, BC politicians find that they get more out of "gifts to the oil and gas industry" than they do by fighting for the citizens of BC. Low royalty rate deals like this could provide the politicos with actual cash in their pockets, but that would be outright corruption...
Norway's government gets 80% of oil and gas revenues, and they return it to the citizens in the form of gauranteed old age pensions and health care and so on. In Alberta, it is less than 3%... BC might be stooping to such low levels too, I am not sure {Roscoe?}.
As for groundwater contamination, the FRACKING operations take that nice clean Willmington water and add chemicals and diesel fuel and so on and blast it into to rock formations down below. That mixture mixes with the nice clean groundwater, polluting it beyond usefullness to any living thing if that water were to come to the surface, as it sometimes does.
So Frack off - natural gas is a nice clean fuel, and we need lots of it, but not "at any cost". Cleaner ways to fracture rock formations could be found, but the cost would eat into that wonderfull royalty deal....
Here ya go. BC's royalty structure and its attendant rebate programs. Also a report from PWC on the additional investment and drilling the programs added. Have fun trying to make sense of the royalties. Its complicated.
The majors are recycling frac water. Shell Americas provided $10 mil for a facility to treat Dawson Creek's sewage in exchange for a percentage of the water for a specified time. Shell recycles this water (and purchases more from DC) via dedicated frac water pipelines installed with the gas pipelines in the collector system.
So what is anybody doing about the drilling where a few million litres water and the chemicals in it dissapear up a natural fault that the initial drill cores did not show? Disaapear up a vertical fault.
So much for the thousands of metres of rock that seperates the shale bed from the ground water bearing layers.
So what is anybody doing about the drilling where a few million litres water and the chemicals in it dissapear up a natural fault that the initial drill cores did not show? Disaapear up a vertical fault.
So much for the thousands of metres of rock that seperates the shale bed from the ground water bearing layers.
You need some circus music to go with that zinger - unless perhaps you have some facts to support it?
Initial drill cores? Try 3D seismic programs, PhD geologists and some really fancy computers. These shale guys are not wildcatters and they don't drill dusters.
The spam filter is a pain in the gluteus maximus.
If you've been following the NDP leadership threads since late last year, you will know that I'm supporting John Horgan. Yesterday, Dan Miller endorsed Horgan in the race. A nice one-two punch.
I'll take that as a yes to the question of whether you supported Ujjal when he won the leadership. Carry on Centrist it is very clear that the BC NDP is your party not mine. Good luck in your bid to replace the Howe Street liberals with the Joyce Street liberals.
Hm. Are Farnsworth, Dix and Horgan preaching to the NDP choir in order to become leader or are they really ideologically-driven enough to bite the hand that feeds them?
Its one thing to appeal to the extemists in the party for support at convention and another entirely to voice this message to the electorate. Political suicide.
oh here we go it's Sunday and Liberals are promising here he's doing 8 Billion plan today OK Jill you need to stop you just spent 15 billion this week alone where he seems he's getting all this money puzzles me think 9 % GST is coming back people don't make the mistake and vote for this clown
oh wait 3 Billion more know so 18 billion this week alone holy cow Jill keep this up we'll be broke by the end of next week omg vote conservative please people
jaymans, the latest HarperConBot 2000 release, has been banned. As mechanical as he seems, he is apparently human. I pine for humanity.
There are two huge problems with provincial governments uncrtitcally hitching their wagons to the shale gas bonanza.
One is acquiring a cavalier approach to "regulation" and oversight that adopts what the industry calls "best practices".
The second problem is the race to the bottom for lower royalties.
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Given the number of provinces and states making sure the red carpet stays out for the industry, toughening regulation or eschewing back door reductions in royalties is probably going to have the industry pick up its bat and leave.
The resource is only getting more valuable. They can come back when they want to meet your terms.
Royalties and groundwater contamination are bigger issues than the amount of water drawn from the Willington Reservoir, if Roscoe's figures are correct {thanks for doing that, btw, Roscoe!}
Like Alberta, BC politicians find that they get more out of "gifts to the oil and gas industry" than they do by fighting for the citizens of BC. Low royalty rate deals like this could provide the politicos with actual cash in their pockets, but that would be outright corruption...
Norway's government gets 80% of oil and gas revenues, and they return it to the citizens in the form of gauranteed old age pensions and health care and so on. In Alberta, it is less than 3%... BC might be stooping to such low levels too, I am not sure {Roscoe?}.
As for groundwater contamination, the FRACKING operations take that nice clean Willmington water and add chemicals and diesel fuel and so on and blast it into to rock formations down below. That mixture mixes with the nice clean groundwater, polluting it beyond usefullness to any living thing if that water were to come to the surface, as it sometimes does.
So Frack off - natural gas is a nice clean fuel, and we need lots of it, but not "at any cost". Cleaner ways to fracture rock formations could be found, but the cost would eat into that wonderfull royalty deal....
Here ya go. BC's royalty structure and its attendant rebate programs. Also a report from PWC on the additional investment and drilling the programs added. Have fun trying to make sense of the royalties. Its complicated.
http://www.empr.gov.bc.ca/OG/oilandgas/royalties/Documents/MEMPR_O_G%20Stimulus_Exec%20Summary_Dec%2014%2009_.pdf
http://www.empr.gov.bc.ca/OG/OILANDGAS/ROYALTIES/NATURALGASDEFINITIONSAND%20RATEDETAILS/Pages/default.aspx
The majors are recycling frac water. Shell Americas provided $10 mil for a facility to treat Dawson Creek's sewage in exchange for a percentage of the water for a specified time. Shell recycles this water (and purchases more from DC) via dedicated frac water pipelines installed with the gas pipelines in the collector system.
So what is anybody doing about the drilling where a few million litres water and the chemicals in it dissapear up a natural fault that the initial drill cores did not show? Disaapear up a vertical fault.
So much for the thousands of metres of rock that seperates the shale bed from the ground water bearing layers.
You need some circus music to go with that zinger - unless perhaps you have some facts to support it?
Initial drill cores? Try 3D seismic programs, PhD geologists and some really fancy computers. These shale guys are not wildcatters and they don't drill dusters.
Closing for length.