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BC NDP Leadership April 12
April 12, 2011 - 9:33am
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I have talked to friends and family and no one seems to be voting for a person as much as they are voting against a particular candidate. Personally I really like Dana both as a politician and as a person when I had lunch with him a few years ago. I do not think he could lead the NDP to victory because he is too tied to the Emery camp and that would be all BC's MSM attack dogs would talk about for the whole campaign. Unfortunately I have not seen any reason to vote for the others. None of them are inspiring or visionary. I would support Horgan but he sounds like a bureaucrat and I am really unsure if that is the type of mind set we need in charge at this point in time. Farnsworth is a no go because of his tough on crime mind set that will see us rushing to get federal money to build new prisons if Harper is re-elected. Dix has way too many of the people I consider to be the BC NDP's insider fixers on his team. I fear he will re-entrench the old guard and not democratize the party although I know he is promising reform. Anyways I find I am not alone in wishing there was another choice even if I couldn't tell you who that choice should have been. But to be clear any of the above are better choices for Premier than Christy.
I share some of your concerns, but it is a ranked ballot so I would have no problem ranking Dana first, Horgan second, Farnsworth last then filling in the rest.
So far I have been inpressed by how similar thier views are. The differences seem mainly in management style.
Question: do voters have to rank all four candidates for their ballots to be valid? Or can you choose to only rank one or two?
I am pretty sure that you can choose to rank as many or as few as you want. We ranked all 4 even though the last rank is really a moot point.
My vote for Dana is more for the issue of legalizing marijuana. I did it on the assumption that he will not win.
To all the campaigns and all members: There are serious problems with the membership list. I finally voted, but only after someone at the information line corrected practically all the information on my file. It was mind-blowing and leaves me in severe doubt about the process.
Here`s a thought - what if the improbable happens and Dana wins the leadership - he would then need a seat in the house - who would step aside for him to run or would he be content to remain out of the House and build up the Party in Anticipation of a Fall vote and in that case what riding would he run in.
Would there be any advantage in waiting for the live voting on Sunday? or should I just vote now?
Yes wouldn't it be a hoot if enough people put him first while never expecting he could win.
The only advantage I could see is if your preferred candidate is eliminated and you want to see who (if anyone) he endorses. Or alternatively, I suppose depending on how the first ballot shakes out, some people might want the option of being able to vote strategically on the second ballot - ie trying to ensure that their preferred candidate ends up facing a more 'beatable' candidate on the final ballot.
Thanks. I suppose that if you were live voting you could vote for the same candidate each round as long as they were still in the running. As some people seem to be having registration difficulties I think that I will vote early.
Is the convention not going to be on tv? I thought I saw on CBC that they were going to cover it but nothing so far.
It's on the internet at:
http://www.bcndp.ca/live
Thanks, I saw that, I just wondered if it was on the tube.
NDP Convention on CBC
Sunday 5 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. PT
CHEK-TV (cable 6)
CBC Radio One: 88.1 FM, 690 AM
Thanks!
I voted for Dana on the 1st ballot.
Looks like it is down to Dix and Farnworth.
1st ballot results:
Larsen: 531 votes
Horgan: 4844
Farnworth: 6979
Dix: 7638
Spoiled: 24
Even with all of Larsen's votes Horgan is still a distant third. I don't know if he automatically drops off the 2nd ballot, or if only Larsen drops off.
I will vote Dix on the 2nd ballot over Farnworth.
Surprised that Dana only got 531 votes.
The winner will be elected by Horgan voters 2nd choice ballots - Horgan personally leans to Dix and some of his Carole loyalist supporters will go to Dix as they associate Farnworth with the dissidents and Jenny Kwan in particular. I think Farnworth still has a chance to take it but Dix is more likely to emerge the victor, given the numbers.
First ballot
Dix: 38.2%
Farnworth: 34.9%
Horgan: 24.2%
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Larsen: 2.7%
Horgan was on the 2nd ballot along with Dix and Farnworth. Most people voted in advance, I don't think there is any way Horgan can stay in it.
I voted for Dix over Farnworth.
Of course it is mathmatically impossible for Horgan to stay on. The only votes that are changing are Dana Larson where they will now move the second choice. It should be in rules if the bottom and second from the bottom don't add up to the third from the bottom that they both should drop off. That said it is only a question of theatre as the votes are mostly already in place (unlike local candidate nominations where time can be a factor if people start going home).
Too bad, kinda what was expected though. I voted Larsen-Horgan-Dix.
Assuming Dix can get at least 80% of Larsen supporters and at least 40% of Horgan supporters then he wins.
I think Dix has got this. I expect Horgan's seconds will split roughly 50-50. It will be close but not that close.
Horgan + Larsen = 5375 votes
Farnsworth is behind by 659 votes
Assuming no ballots dropping off (there will of course), Farnsworth needs 3018 or just under 55% of the votes of candidates falling off the ballot.
Chalk one up for the return of the 90s NDP
Dix-7748, Farnworth 6951, Horgan - 5034
Bye bye Horgan
First Ballot
Dix: 38.2%
Farnworth: 34.9%
Horgan: 24.2%
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Larsen: 2.7%
Second Ballot
Dix: 39.3%
Farnworth: 35.2%
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Horgan:25.5%
Dix needs 42% of Horgan's votes to win.
Farnworth needs 58% of Horgan's votes to win.
Adrian Dix's MLA supporters:
•Harry Bains, MLA Surrey-Newton
Had the support of a lot of left figures in the BC NDP.•Sue Hammell, MLA Surrey-Green Timbers
•Bruce Ralston, MLA Surrey-Whalley
•Mable Elmore, MLA Vancouver Kensington
•Michelle Mungall, MLA Nelson Creston