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Racism in sports?

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Caissa
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thread drift in partial response to #19/ Could a blind person drive a car? Researchers are trying to make that far-fetched notion a reality. The National Federation of the Blind and Virginia Tech plan to demonstrate a prototype vehicle next year equipped with technology that helps a blind person drive a car independently.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/07/02/blind-drivers-car.html#ixzz0sXbZi1Jt /end thread drift

clandestiny
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You know; it's appalling to think anyone at Rabble subscribes to the  logic racists use- even if it's only to set temporarily the logic ideas up so they can be bowled over! STRIKE!! (the humour is lost, i bet) There's no way to debate the using of genetic eng. (to fix skin colour) away from what is to 'white'...the very idea is awful. It would be better to tease the www. stormfront, free dominion/repubs or some other similar reactionary groups. Problem is, they would AGREE with the basic idea, probably!

And that says too much


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Cito is a separate case.

Despite back to back WS victories, there are three things that worked against Cito:

1) Terrible records following his back to back wins.

2) When he did win the WS, he had he highest payroll in all of MLB both years.

3) His in-game managing (or lack thereof), and managing of the pitchers is horrendous.

He is, however a tremendous hitting coach.
Several black managers were given the opportunity to manage MLB teams in between Cito's two stints.

So, while it may or may not be racism, it's certainly not conclusive.
One of the valid criticisms is that many teams have a policy of including one minority on a short list of five candidates, and Cito would frequently be added, simply to make the one minority quota for the interview process, even though they had no intention of hiring him.


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P.K Subban


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France football heads mired in race row over alleged quotas for ethnic players

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France has been plunged into a fresh race crisis after claims that football officials tried to limit black and Arab players on youth training schemes to make the French team more white.

The French football federation has opened an internal investigation afterwebsite Mediapart reported that top management approved a quota system to limit young black players and those of north African origin emerging as candidates for the national team. The alleged plan involved limiting non-white youngsters as young as 12 or 13 from entering the selection process through training centres and academies.

"For the top brass in French football, the issue is settled: there are too many blacks, too many Arabs, and not enough white players in French football," the website said.

According to Mediapart, one of the most senior football federation figures wanted to set a cap of 30% on players of certain origins, but insisted at a meeting the quota should be kept quiet. At another meeting, the French national team coach Laurent Blanc allegedly backed changing youth talent selection criteria to favour players with "our culture, our history". Sources claimed Blanc cited current world champions Spain, saying: "The Spanish, they say: 'We don't have a problem. We have no blacks.'"

 


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French football official admits blowing whistle in race row

 

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The crisis over French football chiefs' alleged plan to keep non-white players out of the national squad has escalated after a senior official admitted blowing the whistle and secretly recording a meeting about race.

 

French sport has been shaken by claims that football bosses wanted to limit the number of young black players and those of north African origin emerging as candidates for the national team. The secret plan for ethnic quotas allegedly involved limiting non-white youngsters entering the selection process through training centres as early as age 12 or 13. The investigative website Mediapart ran extracts from a transcript of a meeting last year where football bosses wanted to set a cap of 30% on players of certain origins. The site concluded that officials felt there were "too many blacks and Arabs" in French football and not enough whites.

The scandal has revealed a deep malaise over race in football and the notion that "Les Bleus", despite the multiracial 1998 World Cup winning team, are not patriotic enough unless they have white skin....

Black French sportsmen expressed their disgust at alleged ethnic quotas. Yannick Noah, the French tennis player-turned pop star, said: "I've always thought these things existed, in clubs, leagues and in the federation. Now we need to tell the truth and have a real debate."

 

Lilian Thuram, the former World Cup defender, scorned the notion black players might not be patriotic enough. "I'm black, well dark brown to be precise, and I feel perfectly French. But I didn't know that skin pigmentation was what makes one feel French. Does that mean every white person, even Swedish, feels French?"

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The French sports minister, Chantal Jouanno...said training centres should teach national players how to "respect their team shirt".

WTF?

 

 


Northern Shoveler
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France is one of Canada's democratic western  NATO allies. Together we are currently showing how anti-racist we are by bombing arabs and black people in Libya but only because we have their best interests at heart.

Oh sorry this must be looney talk. I forgot we must not talk against our NATO allies in this great war against terrorists, who serendipitously all seem to be arab or black.


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Phew! ex-Man Utd back and current French coach Lauren Blanc cleared of racism

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The sports minister, Chantal Jouanno, announced that Blanc was not guilty of racial discrimination after leaked secret recordings revealed that a football federation meeting discussed limiting the number of black and north African players in the national squad.

"No fact shows that Laurent Blanc approves of discriminatory procedures," Jouanno said. But she said the coaches' discussion at a meeting last November was "clumsy and clearly uncalled-for" as well as borderline racist.

Two inquiries – one by the French sports ministry and one by the French Football Federation – were launched after the Mediapart website revealed that Blanc and other officials had discussed introducing quotas on the number of dual-nationality players at youth training academies.

Hey! We was just talking. No harm in talking, hein?

 


Caissa
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And then there is homophobia in sports.

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New York Ranger Sean Avery's support for same-sex marriage has drawn fire from a hockey agent.

"Very sad to read Sean Avery's misguided support of same-gender 'marriage.' Legal or not, it will always be wrong," said a tweet from Todd Reynolds, vice-president of Uptown Sports Management, whose hockey clientele includes Chris Neil, Cody McCormick and Mike Fisher.

Avery, an on-ice agitator who is no stranger to making headlines on and off the playing surface, stated his support for same-sex marriage in a video that is part of the New Yorkers for Marriage Equality campaign, organized by gay-rights organization Human Rights Campaign


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Banana-throwing fan should be prosecuted

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One of the sad realities is that you can’t legislate against ignorance.

These was another example of that Thursday night when a fan in London, Ont., threw a banana on the ice as Wayne Simmonds of the Philadelphia Flyers participated in a shootout in an exhibition game against the Detroit Red Wings.

The subtext here is that Simmonds is black and, unless the perpetrator has a potassium deficiency, the incident can only be viewed as premeditated racism.

Simmonds, who said that he has been subjected to racist comments in the past, took the high road Friday when he released a statement which read:

"It was unfortunate that this incident happened but I am above this sort of stuff. This is something that is out of my control. Moving forward, this incident is something I will no longer comment on so I can just focus on playing hockey for the Philadelphia Flyers."

 


milo204
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wasn't there a guy who got banned from the leafs games for throwing something on the ice last year?  


bekayne
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milo204 wrote:

wasn't there a guy who got banned from the leafs games for throwing something on the ice last year?  

Waffles


Caissa
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The rivalry between the Flyers and Rangers turned ugly in a penalty-filled pre-season game that also appeared to include a homophobic slur from Philadelphia's Wayne Simmonds to noted New York agitator Sean Avery.

The Atlantic Division rivals combined for 77 penalty minutes in Philadelphia's 5-3 victory on Monday night, and more discipline could by coming from the NHL when the league sorts everything out.

Avery and Simmonds were at odds in the first period, and television cameras caught Simmonds jawing at Avery, appearing to utter the slur.

When Avery was asked by reporters after the game if Simmonds called him "what we think he called you," he answered: "Yeah, yeah."

Avery said he had "no idea" why Simmonds would make such a remark.

This marked the second controversy in two weeks for Simmonds, who is black. Last week, a banana was thrown at him from the stands during a pre-season game in London, Ont.

Simmonds didn't deny using the slur toward Avery.

"Honestly, we were going back and forth for a while there," he said, without providing details. "I don't recall everything that I did say to him, but he said to me some things I didn't like. And maybe I said some things that he didn't like.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/09/27/sp-nhl-phi-la-simmonds.html#ixzz1Z9SKf9Wr


Mr.Tea
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Simmonds has denied using the word "faggot" and the league says there's no evidence to suggest he used.

I'd take anything Sean Avery says with a greain of salt. He's a provocatuer and does whatever he can to get under opposing players' skin. And has said far worse than what Simmonds is accused of saying to him.


Catchfire
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Worse than a homophobic slur? Do tell.


Mr.Tea
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Avery used to date a Canadian actress, whose name I forget but she played Jack Bauer's daughter on "24". This woman since started dating and later married Dion Phaneuf, who was playing for Calgary at the time. Avery was playing for Dallas and was in Calgary facing the Flames. In the dressing room before the game, he called the media over, got them to turn on their cameras and went into a disgusting rant about his ex-girlfriend, topped by a comment about how Dion Phaneuf was taking his "sloppy seconds". The league suspended him for a while and Dallas went even further by permanently kicking him off the team. Now, on the ice during an intense game, it's one thing to exchange heated words, but this was a pre-meditated thing where he called the media over to make sexist comments about his ex. He also got in trouble for calling George Laraque (former player current Green Party official) a monkey (Laraque is black) and made disparaging comments about French Canadian players.

He's generally known for being a dirty player and an asshole to everyone.


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edited to remove double post


Caissa
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To the best of my knowledge, Sean Avery is the only NHLer who has publicly stated he would support players who chose to openly declare they were gay. Given that, I find the hompophobic slur eminently believable.


Catchfire
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Mr. Tea, I think you missed my point. I am fairly familiar with Sean Avery. The point is that to say that Avery has done "much worse" than a homphobic slur is entirely the wrong game to be playing.


Sven
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I would publicly name the banana-thrower and ban him from all NHL games for a year.


milo204
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and thankfully he has been found!  

But the waffle incident should serve as a base for the consequences.  If i'm not mistaken, the waffle thrower was banned from going the arena the leafs play at.

surely since this is much more serious, they could do more than that.  I guess the problem is this didn't happen at one of the teams home cities, so banning the person would have no effect, since the team doesn't play there anyways.


Sven
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milo204 wrote:

But the waffle incident should serve as a base for the consequences.  If i'm not mistaken, the waffle thrower was banned from going the arena the leafs play at.

surely since this is much more serious, they could do more than that.  I guess the problem is this didn't happen at one of the teams home cities, so banning the person would have no effect, since the team doesn't play there anyways.

That's why I would "ban him from all NHL games for a year."


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Child’s Play?: Black Labor In The Sports-Industrial Complex

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How is it that a people who labored for hundreds of years as chattel slaves have now become the ultimate paragons of laziness in the eyes of mainstream America? At least some of it has to do with the hypervisibility of African Americans in certain types of employment that have been cast as “play.” Their disproportionate representation in sports (both amateur and professional) has become a frequent point of critique for white conservatives and certain members of the black middle class. There has been a tendency to blame black youth, particularly those from poor and working-class backgrounds, for their pathological “sports fixation.” Yet this narrow, individualist perspective ignores the structural forces driving black over-representation in the sporting industries.

 

The case of African American NBA hopefuls exposes a fundamental paradox. Young black boys from the urban ghettos, criticized by mainstream society for being shiftless and sports-obsessed, form the highly disposable, largely unpaid, and ironically “invisible” labor force that drives the profitability of the sports industrial complex. Although many have critiqued the child and sweatshop labor involved in the manufacturing of sporting products overseas, few have considered the laboring of African American youths as they climb the athletic ladder. And yet these phenomena are essentially two sides of the same coin.

The expansion of neoliberal globalization, and the concurrent rise of the sports-industrial complex and the prison-industrial complex have been (and continue to be) intimately interconnected. In the case of the sports- and prison-industrial complexes, both involve mutually favorable relationships between public/non-profit and private entities that benefit from the continual flow of bodies through the system.

According to popular wisdom, sports and prisons are practical solutions to the complicated economic and social problems associated with the United States’ “surplus population.” (For example, we can reduce violence and keep our communities safe if “at-risk” youth get involved in sports, and if that fails we can always lock them up in prisons.) In this way, the commodification and criminalization of young black bodies goes hand-in-hand. It is no accident that these two industrial complexes arose at the very same moment that the nation began to deindustrialize (as transnational conglomerates moved their production sites overseas), the government started cutting back/privatizing social programs, and the mainstream media/entertainment industries became increasingly corporatized and consolidated.


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How MLB Announcers Favor American Players Over Foreign Ones

The analysis reveals that foreign-born players—the vast majority of whom are Latino—are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to receiving praise for intangibles. Latino players are almost 13 percent less likely to be praised for intangibles than their white counterparts. Announcers are nearly 14 percent more likely to praise a US/Canadian-born player for intangibles than they are their international counterparts. Unfortunately, data is inconclusive as to whether or not American-born Latino players such as the Dodgers' Adrian Gonzalez are also at a disadvantage, or whether the bias only applies to foreign-born Latinos. Black players—a population in decline in MLB—are not at any particular disadvantage. There are not enough Asian players in MLB to draw any meaningful conclusions.

A difference of 13 to 14 percent may not seem very large, but over the course of a 162-game season, a player is exposed to over 300 broadcasts—nearly every MLB team has its own affiliate with its own announcing crew that covers its games. Add in the fact that in any given broadcast, announcers are likely to use from between 20 and 40 intangibles, and the number of intangibles that could involve the player leaps nearly into the thousands. This bias over the course of the season can help paint a picture of a player using terms that have no grounding in measurable reality.

Knowing that announcers treat players differently based on their nationality or Latino status is less interesting than knowing how they treat players differently. Here, the distinctions become more obvious.

While there is no difference between race or nationality when it comes to performance-based descriptions, effort-based and character-based descriptions make a big difference. Players born in the US or Canada are 10 percent more likely to be praised for their effort. White players are 10 percent more likely to be praised for their character.

 


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I remember a grey winter day in high school back in the 70's. I was scuffing around the school library and found a then-new magazine called Psychology Today. One of the articles in it reported that announcers were more likely to attribute white athletes' success to skill, but black athletes' success to "natural ability." Probably that information would have sifted down into the mental waste basket, but a few evenings later my brother and I were watching the now-defunct Buffalo Braves of the NBA lay a beating on Cleveland. At one point the announcer yelped, "The Cavs just can't stand up to McAdoo's natural shooting ability."

I told my brother what I'd read a few days earlier and we laughed over it. We thought it was just part of the general clownishness of Buffalo announcers. But a small watchful presence had been implanted in me.

For a few months we had a dismissive catchphrase for anyone who excelled:

"Terry Banks got a 96 in chemistry."  "Natural shooting ability."

"Debbie Freeman's going to the carnival with BOBBY BRYDEN!"  "Pfft--natural shooting ability."

It's depressing to think that in 35 years so little has changed, particulary since in some sports every single athlete and commentator is a product of the university system that's supposedly riddled with Studies faculties. I guess you can lead a horse to water...


Catchfire
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What a telling anecdote, F-P. "Natural shooting ability." What a ridiculous observation! And I'm sure I've heard it countless times before, too.


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